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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #300 on: November 24, 2017, 12:13:10 pm »
Rigol construction is cheapest possible:
1ADC1MEM/4

Siglent 4 channel construction is semi cheap:
1ADC1MEM/2 + 1ADC1MEM/2
And this is reflected in the price. No official price yet but so far it seems like it will cost about $250 more.
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US$499 retail for the 100MHz model.
 
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #301 on: November 24, 2017, 01:02:14 pm »
this is reflected in the price. No official price yet but so far it seems like it will cost about $250 more.

US$499 retail for the 100MHz model.

OK, so about 42% more (if the current Rigol discounts stick).
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #302 on: November 24, 2017, 02:08:35 pm »
this is reflected in the price. No official price yet but so far it seems like it will cost about $250 more.

US$499 retail for the 100MHz model.

OK, so about 42% more (if the current Rigol discounts stick).

https://www.batterfly.com/shop/siglent-sds1104x-e
429,00€ exVAT

https://www.batterfly.com/shop/rigol-ds1054z
310,00€ exVAT (Xmas Promo)

Siglent official "free for public date" for prices is 27.Nov. So I do not want comment if this price is true or sleeve-shaken.
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #303 on: November 24, 2017, 02:22:34 pm »
https://www.batterfly.com/shop/siglent-sds1104x-e
429,00€ exVAT

Sounds about right if it's $500-ish (although 16% tax would be very low).

https://www.batterfly.com/shop/rigol-ds1054z
310,00€ exVAT (Xmas Promo)

You can do much better than that:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/rigol-ds1054z-on-sale-$349-with-options-tequipment/

If subtract 16% tax from $349 it comes out at 300€.
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #304 on: November 24, 2017, 02:29:53 pm »
If practice and theory is not equal it tells that used application of theory  is wrong or the theory itself is wrong.
It is much easier to think an apple fall to the ground than to think that the earth and the apple will begin to move toward each other and collide.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #305 on: November 24, 2017, 02:32:59 pm »
EU is not US.

It still costs 40% more, so... same difference. :-//

 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #306 on: November 24, 2017, 04:57:10 pm »
The 200Mhz version costs 659 euro, very big difference
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #307 on: November 24, 2017, 05:47:52 pm »
The 200Mhz version costs 659 euro, very big difference


Batronix:
Rigol 100MHz, DS1104Z   EUR 579,- exVAT
Riglol  50MHz, DS1054Z   EUR 318,- exVAT (limited time -6% offer price).

Very big difference. ;)
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #308 on: November 24, 2017, 06:00:28 pm »
Batronix:
Rigol 100MHz, DS1104Z   EUR 579,- exVAT
Riglol  50MHz, DS1054Z   EUR 318,- exVAT (limited time -6% offer price).

Very big difference. ;)
Denying reality won't change a thing. If you can show us how to hack the 100 MHz Siglent to the 200 MHz model, then you'll have a point.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #309 on: November 24, 2017, 06:10:54 pm »
Even without a hack,  the 100Mhz version could be the best buy in most cases

We don't know if there is only a software difference between the two models
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #310 on: November 24, 2017, 06:12:11 pm »
since this thread is ON I lost my life ... can't stop watching ... need a cure
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #311 on: November 24, 2017, 06:20:24 pm »
since this thread is ON I lost my life ... can't stop watching ... need a cure
Aren't you a distributor of this product?  Your opinion is biased, you can't stop watching because you want to sell as many units as possible.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #312 on: November 24, 2017, 06:24:51 pm »
since this thread is ON I lost my life ... can't stop watching ... need a cure
Aren't you a distributor of this product?  Your opinion is biased, you can't stop watching because you want to sell as many units as possible.
This is your opinion based on your reality. I'm personally in love with test equipment and read so many post and yes the forum helped me to find the enthusiasm to do even more. Yes I sell for living, is it an issue? If you like a discount code PM me lol  :-+
One more thing, my opinion is not biased, if I have to talk shi... about product I do it no problem  :box:
« Last Edit: November 24, 2017, 06:26:50 pm by simone.pignatti »
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #313 on: November 24, 2017, 06:25:50 pm »
Batronix:
Rigol 100MHz, DS1104Z   EUR 579,- exVAT
Riglol  50MHz, DS1054Z   EUR 318,- exVAT (limited time -6% offer price).

Very big difference. ;)
Denying reality won't change a thing. If you can show us how to hack the 100 MHz Siglent to the 200 MHz model, then you'll have a point.

You can not hack DS1000Z for 200MHz. You loose reality?  And there was just plain wonder about 200MHz model higher price than 100MHz model.

Do you know wqhy Rigol keep this high price for 100MHz model.  It is there and you can not deny this truth about Rigol 50 and 100MHz models price difference.

I do not even understand why Rigol fans are so alarmed about this Siglent model. They do not competite at all in same serie. So, why this all distress.  My recommendation: If Riglol meets user needs and budget just buy it and be happy with it - it is so simple.

Some times some peoples ask in real life from me what scope is ok for his needs what needs he have explained. When I see that Rigol this model is well enough I will recommend it - I have done it many times. It have its weaknesses but for many peoples it is still just ok. It depends user needs exactly and alone. Also many hobbyist play with very limited budget.  Market is full of different oscilloscopes for different needs and budget and also for different taste about outlook - some like blonde and some like redheads..  Still Rigol is not at all bad with its price, price wise better than many many others. But user need understand also its pros and cons, as also other models and brands.
If practice and theory is not equal it tells that used application of theory  is wrong or the theory itself is wrong.
It is much easier to think an apple fall to the ground than to think that the earth and the apple will begin to move toward each other and collide.
 
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #314 on: November 24, 2017, 06:28:20 pm »
since this thread is ON I lost my life ... can't stop watching ... need a cure
Aren't you a distributor of this product?  Your opinion is biased, you can't stop watching because you want to sell as many units as possible.
This is your opinion based on your reality. I'm personally in love with test equipment and read so many post and yes the forum helped me to find the enthusiasm to do even more. Yes I sell for living, is it an issue? If you like a discount code PM me lol  :-+
One more thing, my opinion is not biased, if I have to talk shi... about product I do it no problem  :box:
No thank you, I already have a REAL OSCILLOSCOPE  ;)
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #315 on: November 24, 2017, 06:32:05 pm »
since this thread is ON I lost my life ... can't stop watching ... need a cure
Aren't you a distributor of this product?  Your opinion is biased, you can't stop watching because you want to sell as many units as possible.
This is your opinion based on your reality. I'm personally in love with test equipment and read so many post and yes the forum helped me to find the enthusiasm to do even more. Yes I sell for living, is it an issue? If you like a discount code PM me lol  :-+
One more thing, my opinion is not biased, if I have to talk shi... about product I do it no problem  :box:
No thank you, I already have a REAL OSCILLOSCOPE  ;)
uauauauau :) I was kidding ... or maybe not ... we are out of the World Cup so I need you have to accept my sarcasm  :-+
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #316 on: November 24, 2017, 06:33:32 pm »
since this thread is ON I lost my life ... can't stop watching ... need a cure
Aren't you a distributor of this product?  Your opinion is biased, you can't stop watching because you want to sell as many units as possible.
This is your opinion based on your reality. I'm personally in love with test equipment and read so many post and yes the forum helped me to find the enthusiasm to do even more. Yes I sell for living, is it an issue? If you like a discount code PM me lol  :-+
One more thing, my opinion is not biased, if I have to talk shi... about product I do it no problem  :box:
No thank you, I already have a REAL OSCILLOSCOPE  ;)
uauauauau :) I was kidding ... or maybe not ... we are out of the World Cup so I need you have to accept my sarcasm  :-+
We are out of the world cup too (US), so on that topic we are even
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #317 on: November 24, 2017, 06:48:01 pm »
Rigol construction is cheapest possible:
1ADC1MEM/4

Siglent 4 channel construction is semi cheap:
1ADC1MEM/2 + 1ADC1MEM/2
And this is reflected in the price. No official price yet but so far it seems like it will cost about $250 more.

US$499 retail for the 100MHz model.
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Dave I hope you don't make usage mistakes like you did with the above quoted post.
Fixed for you:

Rigol construction is cheapest possible:
1ADC1MEM/4

Siglent 4 channel construction is semi cheap:
1ADC1MEM/2 + 1ADC1MEM/2
And this is reflected in the price. No official price yet but so far it seems like it will cost about $250 more.
US$499 retail for the 100MHz model.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2017, 06:52:01 pm by tautech »
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #318 on: November 24, 2017, 07:23:55 pm »
Even without a hack,  the 100Mhz version could be the best buy in most cases

We don't know if there is only a software difference between the two models

Apart from the BW and probes, both scopes seem to be sharing a common platform but that is based on what the spec sheet reveals, reality may still be different.
We will not know for sure until someone takes both apart (Dave?).
What I do not understand yet is why they are coming with two models if the only difference is BW?
Price wise it looks like Siglent is doing a similar thing to what KS and R&S are already doing (at least if the preliminary information we have at present turns out to be correct) and do not forget their offerings are at least 3 to 4 times Siglent's (preliminary) price.
Looking forward to Dave's review!
PS. I am enjoying the developments in this thread although it looks like some members are already starting to overheat and the 27th is still 3 days away  ;D (and yes, we made it to the world cup  8))
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #319 on: November 24, 2017, 07:33:42 pm »
uauauauau :) I was kidding ... or maybe not ... we are out of the World Cup so I need you have to accept my sarcasm  :-+
We (NZ) are out too, though it was a long shot trying to beat Peru.
On the bright side, you're in the Rugby World Cup, which I think is better :P (in the same pool too)
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #320 on: November 24, 2017, 07:35:54 pm »
uauauauau :) I was kidding ... or maybe not ... we are out of the World Cup so I need you have to accept my sarcasm  :-+
We (NZ) are out too, though it was a long shot trying to beat Peru.
On the bright side, you're in the Rugby World Cup, which I think is better :P (in the same pool too)
We like to plat with balls but sometimes we let them drop augh!!
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #321 on: November 24, 2017, 10:10:57 pm »
Can someone please do a real test on the decoder functionality in the oscilloscope?

Really debug an SPI signal or a CAN bus signal, and use all 4 channels for the decoding.

Even on the 2 channel model which has been out there for quite some time, nobody on YouTube did a decent decoder test.

Connecting a sinus signal to the inputs is not really a decent test. For some people that's the best that they can do for some reason.

 
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #322 on: November 24, 2017, 10:24:15 pm »
Can someone please do a real test on the decoder functionality in the oscilloscope?

Really debug an SPI signal or a CAN bus signal, and use all 4 channels for the decoding.

Even on the 2 channel model which has been out there for quite some time, nobody on YouTube did a decent decoder test.

Connecting a sinus signal to the inputs is not really a decent test. For some people that's the best that they can do for some reason.
I agree. It is the advanced features like decoding and measurements where cheap scopes often fall flat on their face. Every scope can do squiggly lines and has a different user interface which a reviewer may like or not but that is just his/her opinion.
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #323 on: November 24, 2017, 11:33:12 pm »
Can someone please do a real test on the decoder functionality in the oscilloscope?

Really debug an SPI signal or a CAN bus signal, and use all 4 channels for the decoding.
There's 2 tools that can help here;
The Serial Trigger suite and the Search function.

Both have a list of parameters that can be selected and values user defined.

With Search you can have it just flag an event or Stop sweeps by transferring the settings to the Trigger.
Search settings are mainly edge, pulse, interval and runt, each with a range of user definable parameters.

Simple decoding can be performed without use of the Decoding Trigger suite and there's a decent list of tools in the suite if needed.
From the datasheet:
I2C
Start, Stop, Restart, No Ack, EEPROM, 7 bits Address & Data, 10 bits Address & Data, Data Length
SPI
Data
UART/RS232
Start, Stop, Data, Parity Error
CAN
All, Remote, ID, ID + Data, Error
LIN
Break, Frame ID, ID+Data, Error

Many/most parameters are definable.
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #324 on: November 24, 2017, 11:56:40 pm »
That is not an answer to the question Pascal is asking: Does decoding (and other advanced features) actually work right now / out of the box? On paper everything can look dandy but if it doesn't work then it is useless and without a real review the only way to find out is to buy one and do a full functional test yourself.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2017, 01:10:59 am by nctnico »
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