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Siglent SDS2000X-E
« on: December 05, 2018, 01:58:18 pm »
Siglent will release the SDS2000X-E on 10th December.
Will come in two flavors, 200MHz and 350MHz...

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2018, 02:52:08 am »
Siglent will release the SDS2000X-E on 10th December.
Will come in two flavors, 200MHz and 350MHz...
Added from later info:
All info is now available:
https://int.siglent.com/products-overview/sds2000x-e/
https://siglentna.com/digital-oscilloscopes/sds2000x-e/
https://www.siglenteu.com/digital-oscilloscopes/sds2000x-e/

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And many of the same features offered in SDS1004X-E.....
Bode plot
MSO option
AWG option
WiFi option

Waveform search
Navigate/History/Sequence
1Mpt FFT
Web browser etc etc

But plus:
2 GSa/s sampling
28 Mpts memory
50 ohm inputs
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2018, 10:50:40 am »
What are the main differences for the 1000X-E?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2018, 01:16:03 pm »
What are the main differences for the 1000X-E?

You need split thinking to two separate pathway.
SDS1002X-E
SDS1004X-E

Even when SDS2xx2X-E is 2 channel it is not evolution of SDS1002X-E

It is better imagine it is more like half channel SDS1004X-E mutation- evolution (lot of similarities except BW samplerate and due to double samplerate memory is doubled so it is proportionally same.)

It is - imho - not any kind of big jump to up or side. Only more choices for customers  in the current product range at approximately the same level.
 
SDS5000X ... it is totally different case. It's proportionally big step out of the current product portfolio.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2018, 01:50:27 pm »
What are the main differences for the 1000X-E?
It is better imagine it is more like half channel SDS1004X-E mutation- evolution (lot of similarities except BW samplerate and due to double samplerate memory is doubled so it is proportionally same.)

I wonder why this is only offered as a two channel, and not four channel?  How much more popular are the two channel units vs. the four channel ones overall?



 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2018, 02:42:17 pm »
You need split thinking to two separate pathway.
SDS1002X-E
SDS1004X-E

Even when SDS2xx2X-E is 2 channel it is not evolution of SDS1002X-E

So, it's a 1004 with 2 channels, more BW and memory. Other features are the same, so it takes advantage of their maturity (or lack of). I bet it has network security issues, bla, bla, bla...   :D

I don't find it bad. It widens the entry portfolio.

I'm waiting for the SDS5000 but now there are also the Rigols...   :-\
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2018, 06:29:47 pm »

I don't find it bad. It widens the entry portfolio.

This ^ and at a good price too, a 2ch 200 MHz 2 GSa/s DSO.......under $650 !  :o
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2018, 07:19:58 pm »
Or 350 MHz...  ::)
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2018, 10:41:34 pm »
I'm waiting for the SDS5000 but now there are also the Rigols...   :-\
Apart from everything else, I can assure you that a 100MHz square wave looks very different on a true high bandwidth scope from what has been shown in the MSO5000 hacking thread. ;)
 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2018, 02:53:28 am »
With a 100 MHz square wave there isn't much time for the ringing  from a fast edge to die down. 

IMHO Leo Bodnar's  10 MHz, <40 pS rise time square wave pulser is more appropriate for torturing scopes into confessing.  I've subjected an MSOX3104T and an RTM3104 to it.  The "1 GHz" Keysight had a 436 pS rise time with 7% overshoot.  I sent it back.  An RTM3104 demo unit had a 350 pS rise time and 3% overshoot.  Until I installed the 1.300 FW update.  At which point it had 10% overshoot.  Reverting to 1.100 did not restore the 3% overshoot.  I shall let the reader draw their own conclusions.  I was quite shocked as my experience calibrating a Tek 465 led me to expect no more than 3% overshoot. So I went from delighted to horrified in a week.

I'm very skeptical of the Rigol DS1000E/Z  hacks as I've never seen any step responses.  Logically with a DSO, you build it, then you measure the AFE performance and apply a correction for component tolerances.  After that, if you want software BW updates you apply a 2nd digital filter.  The 1st filter is calibration  for that instrument.  The 2nd filter is a license option.

I recently bought a refurbished 485 on eBay.  I've not yet done the full cal procedure which is *very* long, but I plan to adjust it to under 1% overshoot, rise time be damned.  I don't care if it's only  300 MHz  at -3dB.  I want to be sure that any ringing is the DUT or user error.

My LeCroy DDA-125/LC684DLX has a <250 pS rise time and 20% overshoot. I plan to correct that with sensible anti-alias filters.  750 MHz for 4 channel mode and 1.5 GHz for 2 channel mode.

My Rigol DS1102E is 3% and my Instek MSO-2204EA is 5% both with rise time = 0.35/BW.  And an Instek GDS-2072E hacked to 200 MHz exactly matches the 2204EA both at full BW and at 100 MHz.

There's a long thread about Leo's pulser  here:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/yet-another-fast-edge-pulse-generator

with lots of screen shots on a wide variety of instruments.  And each unit comes with a printout of the step response on a very high BW scope.  It beats the pants off the Tek 106s  I bought to calibrate my 465 and Dumont 1060.
 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2018, 08:56:17 am »
Just a word of caution for generic reader - if plan to poke actual DUTs with x10 probes then it may make sense to get probe => BNC M & BNC F-F adapter and stick Leo's pulser on the end of probe [possibly with additional 50Ω load], not directly on scope BNC with ext or int 50Ω.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2018, 11:56:11 pm »
EDIT: Be aware that this is from a high bandwidth scope and of course not from an SDS2000X-E!

I thought I should back up my claims by showing an example:


Square 100MHz_Z2ns+FFT

This is a 100MHz square wave with <<100ps transition time.

Main timebase is 100ns/div in order to get a sufficiently detailed FFT from DC to 2GHz.
Zoom timebase is 2ns/div in order to get a detailed Y-t view.

Automatic measurements:
FOV = Overshoot after a falling edge.
ROV = Overshoot after a rising edge.
Rise & Fall times are not accurate because of limited scope rise time and also time measurement resolution limited to 20ps at that timebase.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2018, 12:40:14 am »
I thought I should back up my claims by showing an example:


Square 100MHz_Z2ns+FFT

This is a 100MHz square wave with <<100ps transition time.

Main timebase is 100ns/div in order to get a sufficiently detailed FFT from DC to 2GHz.
Zoom timebase is 2ns/div in order to get a detailed Y-t view.

Automatic measurements:
FOV = Overshoot after a falling edge.
ROV = Overshoot after a rising edge.
Rise & Fall times are not accurate because of limited scope rise time and also time measurement resolution limited to 20ps at that timebase.

Hello!

That is a nice square. What is the generator if I may ask?

And scope handles it quite well.. Frontend looks very decent here....

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2018, 10:03:01 am »
was that the 5000? nice interface.
Looks like someone actually learned from their masters  ;)
The layout, the font sizes, the proportions, the choice of colours
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2018, 12:23:08 pm »
Since I don't want to further derail this thread, I've placed a similar post under the associated topic:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/at-last-siglent_s-sds5054x-touchscreen/msg2023294/#msg2023294
 
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2018, 11:48:39 pm »
Tried to upload datasheet for the SDS2000X-E series, but file exceeded file size limit..
If interested you can download it from:
https://www.adroit.no/siglent-sds2202x-e-200mhz-2-kanals-oscilloskop.html#productattach
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2018, 12:04:43 pm »
All info is now available:
http://www.siglent.com/ENs/pdxx.aspx?id=2644&T=2&tid=1
https://www.siglentamerica.com/digital-oscilloscopes/sds2000x-e/
https://www.siglenteu.com/digital-oscilloscopes/sds2000x-e/

SDS2202X-E 200 MHz 2ch USD 619
SDS2352X-E 350 MHz 2ch USD 839

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2018, 12:16:43 pm »
no 4 channel model because?
;D Exactly what I've asked.
You might guess by the front panel layout, one is coming.....
About that, I have zip info.  :(



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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2018, 01:30:54 pm »
Been told there is not going to be a 4 channel.
But who knows, if there is a demand?

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2018, 08:59:16 pm »
Are the MSO/LA signals available via LXI/SCPI?  Is serial decode still restricted to just what is on screen?  The 2000X series scope is a bit hobbled by the fact that the logic analyzer (digital signals, serial decoders) is not exposed via SCPI.  And serial decode is limited to just what is on screen.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2018, 02:18:37 am »
Are the MSO/LA signals available via LXI/SCPI? 
They are in the current 2kX programming guide:
https://www.siglentamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2017/10/Programming-Guide-1.pdf
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Is serial decode still restricted to just what is on screen?
 
Depends on how you use it.....use the Zoom mode where you can have seconds of data stream on the main window and just a tiny portion in the Zoom window where you can still scroll to any of the packets in the main window.

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The 2000X series scope is a bit hobbled by the fact that the logic analyzer (digital signals, serial decoders) is not exposed via SCPI.
Only Decode as outlined above. Currently none of the Siglent DSO's apparently are able to access Decode via SCPI.
The same applies for Bode plot in the SDS1004X-E models as there is no SCPI command set to enable that.
It will require firmware changes to get  the SCPI command sets installed.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2018, 03:14:39 am »
All info is now available:
https://www.siglentamerica.com/digital-oscilloscopes/sds2000x-e/

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Maybe I'm missing it and it's in plain sight, but what is the sample rate on the digital channels?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2018, 03:25:04 am »
Are the MSO/LA signals available via LXI/SCPI? 
They are in the current 2kX programming guide:
https://www.siglentamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2017/10/Programming-Guide-1.pdf
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Thanks for sending that.  It has been a while since I looked for an update to the SCPI manual.  I also see that I have missed a couple firmware updates in the past year.

It says "D[X] — Digital channel. Only valid for SDS1000X-E series."  (Page 179, WAVEFORM command.)  Yes, one can control the MSO, but the digital waveforms cannot be retrieved from a 2000X for external analysis.  This means that only the 4 analog waveforms can be used in tools like sigrok -- and, as a 2000X owner, that makes me sad. :(

But that's certainly good news for the 1000X-E users.  And hopefully that means it works on the 2000X-E series as well.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2018, 03:28:50 am »
All info is now available:
https://www.siglentamerica.com/digital-oscilloscopes/sds2000x-e/

Options
16ch MSO

Maybe I'm missing it and it's in plain sight, but what is the sample rate on the digital channels?
It's in the datasheet: P3 and 14.
Maximum waveform capture rate up to 1GSa/s, Record length up to 14 Mpts/CH
https://www.siglentamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/SDS2000X-E_DataSheet_DS0102E-E01A.pdf

The 16 digital channels are provided with an external module, the same as used for SDS1004X-E models, the SLA1016 that connects into the front Sbus connector.
https://www.siglentamerica.com/accessory/sla1016/

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2018, 03:39:41 am »
Are the MSO/LA signals available via LXI/SCPI? 
They are in the current 2kX programming guide:
https://www.siglentamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2017/10/Programming-Guide-1.pdf
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Thanks for sending that.  It has been a while since I looked for an update to the SCPI manual.  I also see that I have missed a couple firmware updates in the past year.

It says "D[X] — Digital channel. Only valid for SDS1000X-E series."  (Page 179, WAVEFORM command.)  Yes, one can control the MSO, but the digital waveforms cannot be retrieved from a 2000X for external analysis.  This means that only the 4 analog waveforms can be used in tools like sigrok -- and, as a 2000X owner, that makes me sad. :(

But that's certainly good news for the 1000X-E users.  And hopefully that means it works on the 2000X-E series as well.
Check:
Read Waveform Data of Digital Example
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Will that work for you ?
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2018, 04:47:29 am »
Check:
Read Waveform Data of Digital Example
P251
Will that work for you ?

Does that work for you on a 2000X?

For me

    scope.write("d1: wf? dat2")
    data = scope.read_raw()

(reading a digital channel waveform) has no obvious effect on the scope and just hangs the script, whereas

    scope.write("c1: wf? dat2")
    data = scope.read_raw()

(reading an analog channel waveform) works as expected, stopping the scope and returning a chunk of binary data.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2018, 04:53:12 am »
Check:
Read Waveform Data of Digital Example
P251
Will that work for you ?

Does that work for you on a 2000X?
Sold mine.  :(
(Replacing with a SDS5kX soon  ;) )

Ok thanks for that info and code, I'll look into it.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2018, 06:26:55 am »
It's in the datasheet: P3 and 14.
Maximum waveform capture rate up to 1GSa/s, Record length up to 14 Mpts/CH
https://www.siglentamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/SDS2000X-E_DataSheet_DS0102E-E01A.pdf

The 16 digital channels are provided with an external module, the same as used for SDS1004X-E models, the SLA1016 that connects into the front Sbus connector.
https://www.siglentamerica.com/accessory/sla1016/

Thanks you. I'm considering something like this as a second MSO.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2018, 06:58:45 am »
It's in the datasheet: P3 and 14.
Maximum waveform capture rate up to 1GSa/s, Record length up to 14 Mpts/CH
https://www.siglentamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/SDS2000X-E_DataSheet_DS0102E-E01A.pdf

The 16 digital channels are provided with an external module, the same as used for SDS1004X-E models, the SLA1016 that connects into the front Sbus connector.
https://www.siglentamerica.com/accessory/sla1016/

Thanks you. I'm considering something like this as a second MSO.
20 days lead times means I'll have some by early Feb, let me know if you want to demo one.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2019, 10:42:54 pm »
Comparing new X-E to my other scopes... 100MHz square from Leo's SMA EXT trigger 40ps pulser. There is SMA => BNC adapter which may degrade fidelity somewhat. No attenuator.

SDS2352X-E 350MHz scope native 50Ω @ 2GSa/s


100MHz scope 50Ω passthru @ 1GSa/s


500MHz scope native 50Ω @ 2.5GSa/s


Might try later with less aggressive signals and supplied probe. If someone has specific request what to test can try. No point to make review as such because it's just as other X-E's only much faster.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2019, 12:03:06 am »
Sold mine.  :(
(Replacing with a SDS5kX soon  ;) )

Do you mean DS5k from Rigol, or will there be SDS5kX soon from Siglent?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2019, 05:03:49 am »
Are you carrying nay Demo Units while you are in WA?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2019, 05:24:07 am »
About lacking decoding over SCPI, It exists in the 1000X-E series, just as normal is undocumented. I suspect they should work for the 2000 series. I have not fully documented most of these yet, but they do exist,

Command    B1:DCCN    B1:DeCo_CAN
Command    B1:DCIC     B1:DeCo_IiC
Command    B1:DCLN    B1:DECO_LIN
Command    B1:DCSP    B1:DECO_SPI
Command    B1:DCUT    B1:DECO_UART
Command    B2:DCCN    B2:DECO_CAN
Command    B2:DCIC    B2:DECO_IIC
Command    B2:DCLN    B2:DECO_LIN
Command    B2:DCSP    B2:DECO_SPI
Command    B2:DCUT    B2:DECO_UART
Query          DCDI         DeCo_DIgital
Command    DCPA         DeCo_Param
Query          DCLR         DeCo_CleaR
Com / Que   DCST         DeCo_STatus
Query          DCVL         DeCo_VaLue

DCVL is the one you want, as best I can see it spits out the decoded stream, I have not yet figured out the formatting yet though,

Try the short commands first, some of the long commands where bugged in the 1000 series, and I expect it to be the same on the 2000
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2019, 05:36:01 am »
Are you carrying nay Demo Units while you are in WA?
Welcome to the forum.

Nah, sorry on holiday here and soon to catch a bird back to NZ.
Got a couple of units arriving in NZ in a few weeks so I’ll be sure to be posting something about them if they don’t end up presold.
Keep an eye on MrWOlf’s investigations.  :popcorn:
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2019, 01:33:46 am »
SDS2352X-E -3dB BW check  ~405 MHz   :o

SSG3021X source
N-BNC adapter and Siglent BNC cable.
SDS2kX-E internal 50 ohm termination
Cursors set on p-p @ 200 MHz




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SDS2022X-E -3dB BW check = 250 MHz
50 ohm internal termination.
1V p-p @ 200 MHz from HP8654B

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2019, 08:46:29 pm »
Defpom has a look at the 350 MHz SDS2352X-E:

https://youtu.be/7zJ8X51l0Go
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2019, 04:54:32 am »
Firmware update for SDS2000X-E models.

Version 1.1.17R6
7.9 MB
https://www.siglentamerica.com/download/8436/

Changelog
1. Fixed the bug: If the oscilloscope is switched off when the CH1 menu is active, it remains without a menu when switching on again.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2019, 07:30:59 am »
New SDS2022X-E, unpacked and with the new firmware.

520 MHz from HP sig gen. (substantially attenuated amplitude @ some 300 MHz past rated BW)  :o

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2019, 01:38:14 am »
New firmware for SDS2000X-E models.

Version V1.1.19R2
8.3MB
https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SDS2000X-E_1.1.19R2_EN.zip

Release notes
1. Optimized communication between SDS2000X-E and SLA1016. This revision (and higher) requires the SLA1016
MUST be upgraded to 8.1.16 (or higher) first. Please take a look at ‘Compatibility with SLA1016’ at the end of
the release notes.
2. Optimized Bode Plot: Accuracy and Sensitivity Improvement, New Vari-level Mode for Testing Loop Response, Miscellaneous Function and UI Improvements.
3. Optimized FFT UI: Added Peaks, Markers, and search within FFT.
4. Optimize self-calibration for channels.
5. Optimized accessing USB drive so that when a USB drive is moved to a computer, Windows will not prompt a restoration of the USB drive.
6. Optimize WIFI connection: 63 characters can now be used for a WPA2 PSK key.
7. Added parity options of MARK/SPACE for UART of 9-bit Decode.
8. Optimized behavior of the cursors (x-axis): Added a mode that the cursors remain at the set position on the waveform when changing time base.
9. Added automatic reset to 0 for sample count for statistics after any timebase or voltage range changes.
10. Fixed the bug: The audible beeper activation would affect the voltage waveform displayed for CH2.
11. Fixed the bug of ROV measurement.
12. Fixed the bug: Normal trigger can show more-than-one trigger event on the display at one time.
13. Fixed the bug: Erratic triggering, randomly jumping between the first and the second edge of a signal.
14. Fixed the bug: The acquire time of history is reset to zero if the time reach 1 hour and 11 minutes. The delta time is also wrong if the period is longer than 1 hour and 11 minutes.
15. Fixed The SPI triggering issue: the 16-bit trigger wouldn't work for a gap >360 ns between the two 8-bit packets.
16. Fixed the bug: Save/Recall setup of trigger and scale issue. ( SalesForce ID:P-00199)(SalesForce ID P-00200)
17. Fixed the bug: Reading cursors by SCPI is not accuracy
18. Fixed the bug: In fine adjust mode, some scale such as 302 mV/DIV is in the wrong position.
19. Fixed the bug: LIN decoder doesn't decode frames with zero-length response.
20. Fixed the bug: If the Courser Offset is not a multiple of zoom time base, the cursor will be replaced when zoomed.
21. Fixed the bug: The measurements made with the cursor in Ref. Give wrong values for all the different probes of
X1.
22. Fixed the bug: Measures fairs with GATE give completely random values in signals of low frequency.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X-E
« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2019, 10:53:40 am »
 :-+  I see many of the problems identified here in the forums have been included.
 


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