Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.

[KungFuJosh]

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[TERRA Operative]

Now I want an SPL2016...... 

[tautech]

Now I want an SPL2016...... 

LOL
I was just about to link you to the DIY version and there you were reading it already. 

[TERRA Operative]

Hahaha, yep! Another project for the list of projects.

Looks pretty easy to build since oz2cpu (and others, including you) thankfully did all the hard work.
I wonder if there is a source for coaxial ribbon cable? I'd love to make a version that closely replicates the look and feel of the original.

[tautech]

Hahaha, yep! Another project for the list of projects.

Looks pretty easy to build since oz2cpu (and others, including you) thankfully did all the hard work.
I wonder if there is a source for coaxial ribbon cable? I'd love to make a version that closely replicates the look and feel of the original.

10 way Micro coax ribbon is darn hard to find in short lengths. 

Instead many wanting to save a buck get something else and modify it like Defpom just down the road from me did.

[mawyatt]

Hahaha, yep! Another project for the list of projects.

Looks pretty easy to build since oz2cpu (and others, including you) thankfully did all the hard work.
I wonder if there is a source for coaxial ribbon cable? I'd love to make a version that closely replicates the look and feel of the original.

The twisted pair ribbon cable and regular ribbon cable worked well for our needs in the version we developed from Thomas's idea/version. We've only used on some relatively slow SPI logic tho, and delinquent on finalizing the project with all the proper SMD Rs and Cs. Rob kindly provided measurements of the Siglent probe and we were able to create a crude simulation model to help with the component values.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/diy-logic-analyzer-probe-and-pods-for-siglent-scopes/

Best,

[figurativelythedevil]

Thanks y'all. I think I'll pull the trigger on the 2354X-HD as soon as I find one in-stock! I don't think I can justify waiting and the additional cost for the 3000X-HD, whenever it comes out. Maybe the 800-HD series will come out and I'll grab one of those for myself...

Do seriously consider getting the current promotional option bundle too:
https://siglentna.com/news-article/permanent-analysis-bundle-on-your-new-oscilloscope/

Yep! Too good of a deal to pass up.

[core]

I am in the process of evaluating the purchase of the SDS2104X HD and am reading related topics.

One problem is that it seems that the user manual is not updated for the latest firmware - V1.2.2.2.5.

Is there a link where it can be found or is it still in the works until a newer firmware is released soon?
Or, have the new models taken up all the resources for now?

[core]

I suppose that SDS3000X HD user manual is close enough, regarding the latest firmware.
I will take it as a reference.

[baldurn]

I am in the process of evaluating the purchase of the SDS2104X HD and am reading related topics.

One problem is that it seems that the user manual is not updated for the latest firmware - V1.2.2.2.5.

Is there a link where it can be found or is it still in the works until a newer firmware is released soon?
Or, have the new models taken up all the resources for now?

The changes are minor and documented by release notes here:

https://www.siglenteu.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2023/10/SDS2000X-HD-Firmware-Revision-Record-and-Upgrade-Instructions.pdf

The latest manual:

https://www.siglenteu.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2022/05/SDS2000X_HD_UserManual_EN01A.pdf

Going by date of that link, I would think the manual is updated through version 1.2.0.0. Since then they have implemented 7 new features:

Force trigger strategy changed
Optimized knob acceleration
Math: filter supported
Supported USB-GPIB adapter
Decode: supported ARINC429
Math: supported 4 traces: F1~F4
Supported Memory traces: M1 ~ M4

Of those only the math filter is a UI change I think? Not much to say in the manual about changing the max number of math traces from 2 to 4 etc.

[Grandchuck]

Still exploring the SDS2000X HD as time permits.  Today I tried some area measurements.  Set up a series RC circuit with a 100 ohm resistor and 330 nF capacitor.  Applying a 1 volt peak square wave gave the result shown below.  1V x 330nF = 330 nanocoulombs so it makes sense.  Then I switched the scope from current on the vertical axis to voltage and got the second result.  What is a uWb?

[Antonio90]

micro Weber? Its magnetic flux, in V*s

[Grandchuck]

Another example:

Full wave rectified average area = 2Vp/pi x time = 6.37 x 2ms = 12.7 mWb

[slugrustle]

What is a uWb?

micro Weber?

Ah, a really tiny charcoal grill.

[Grandchuck]

Signal from a 10 MHz rubidium frequency standard.

[Grandchuck]

Performa01 has inspired some thinking on my part and his efforts are much appreciated.  And so are Martin72's for helping me to choose this oscilloscope.  It is not easy with so many choices today. 

Anyway, another screen image below.

[fredo_]

Hi folks !
For those of you in EU, I contacted both Eleshop and Jeulin (French reseller) to ask them about the new (reduced) prices on Singlent EU website for the SDS2000X HD line.
They both reacted very quickly and updated their product pages :
- https://eleshop.eu/siglent-sds2104x-hd-oscilloscope.html
- https://jeulin.com/jeulin_fr/297376.html
That makes the SDS2104X HD available for 1880€ + VAT 
Mine is on the way from Jeulin  .
They said it should arrive within 2 weeks

[fredo_]

Nice! But hadn't tautech stated that this model is being phased out, and those interested in the 100 MHz version should order while it is still in stock?

Well I missed that one, but it would explain why the 2104 is non longer listed on Batterfly !...
Anyway, Jeulin accepted my order and I had the sales rep over the phone for the delivery delay, so I assume they checked with Siglent..
Also the 2104 is still listed on Siglent EU website : https://www.siglenteu.com/digital-oscilloscopes/sds2000x-hd-digital-storage-oscilloscope/
Wait and see !...

[joeB]

I received my SDS2104X HD + bundle this week. This is a big step up from the SDS1102X that it will replace. Thanks to the forum members that have demonstrated the capabilities and measurement techniques. This information helped in the decision making process, and will be invaluable in learning how to take full advantage of this superb piece of test equipment.

[matimati]

I was lucky and got my Siglent SDS2104X HD from Batterfly for the lowered price three weeks ago. I had seen that immediately after my purchase Batterfly discontinued the SDS1104X HD (https://www.batterfly.com/shop/de/siglent-sds2104x-hd). Now it seems that all distributors start to discontinue it, also eleshop and Batronix (the latter one without lowering the price before)?

Could it be that Siglent has not lowered their sales prices in proportion to the recommended retail prices? Maybe it is no longer worthwhile for distributors to offer the SDS2104X HD?
The other models with 200 and 350 MHz are still offered at the new low prices at Batterfly, but perhaps only until someone has ordered them (https://www.batterfly.com/shop/de/siglent-sds2204x-hd)?

[Antonio90]

It is discontinued by Siglent, not the distributors.

[fredo_]

AFAIU it's only the 100Mhz version that is discontinued.
Still crossing my fingers to actually get mine (hopefully by the end of next week if Jeulin.fr keeps its promises !) !... 

[pope]

I was about to pull the trigger on one of these scopes but now that they discontinued it I'm gonna have to look for a different brand within the same budget. Oh well...

[Antonio90]

It's the 100MHz version being discontinued, not the model line. Our best guess about the reasons behind that decision are about price and features segmentation.
The base price is going to be €2.228 + VAT, or thereabouts, for the SDS2204X-HD. That is why you can only buy the 100MHz version if it is on stock, as Siglent can just swap the label on the front. The hardware is identical regardless of bandwidth.

With the release price of the 3000X-HD models, the previous 2000X-HD pricing made no sense. They had to slash the MSRP heavily. By making the 200MHz version as base model, they can get away with not lowering it as much.
So, right now, the effective price reduction of the 2000X-HD is €400, instead of €800 for the same hardware if they had kept selling the 2104X-HD.

[pope]

I'm also talking about the 100MHz. 1.9k euro was right on the verge of my budget so...