Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.

[Antonio90]

I'm also talking about the 100MHz. 1.9k euro was right on the verge of my budget so...

Yeah, I thought about buying it too, but really the difference is not that big. Both are still in the ~2K price range. If €400 makes such a big difference, that's because this is probably not the right price range for us. I agree the older pricing was quite awesome though.

[matimati]

It's the 100MHz version being discontinued, not the model line. Our best guess about the reasons behind that decision are about price and features segmentation.
The base price is going to be €2.228 + VAT, or thereabouts, for the SDS2204X-HD. That is why you can only buy the 100MHz version if it is on stock, as Siglent can just swap the label on the front. The hardware is identical regardless of bandwidth.

With the release price of the 3000X-HD models, the previous 2000X-HD pricing made no sense. They had to slash the MSRP heavily. By making the 200MHz version as base model, they can get away with not lowering it as much.
So, right now, the effective price reduction of the 2000X-HD is €400, instead of €800 for the same hardware if they had kept selling the 2104X-HD.

Thank you for this clarification. I saw, that it was already mentioned here:

According to one distributor that I talked to Siglent has discontinued the 100MHz model. The ones that are at sale is the current stock.

Still it seems a bit strange that Siglent updated the price for the base model only a few days before they discontinued it.

[Antonio90]

I thik the release of the new scopes was what triggered the price reduction of the 2000 series and the decission to stop selling the 100MHz model.
It probably doesn't make much sense to sell that hardware for €1880 in Europe.

[pope]

I'm also talking about the 100MHz. 1.9k euro was right on the verge of my budget so...

Yeah, I thought about buying it too, but really the difference is not that big. Both are still in the ~2K price range. If €400 makes such a big difference, that's because this is probably not the right price range for us. I agree the older pricing was quite awesome though.

I agree but still,  €400 is  €400. It can be a nice DMM or something else and we're not talking about a 10-15k scope where the  €400  might be a small portion of the total price. But yeah I know what you mean. In my case, I could afford the extra €400 but I always try to set a budget limit and stick to it. It has proven to be a good practise.   

At the end of the day there are many options out there and quite frankly I don't need everything the sds offers and  I definitely don't need more than 100MHz.

Regarding the price drop before discontinue it I think this was the reason. To get rid of the stock as soon as possible. Perhaps.. I don't know, it's just my guess

[Antonio90]

I agree. I set my budget and then lowered and spread it over a few more items. I think the problem is that an oscilloscope is the "coolest" piece of TE, and it is really tempting to overexpend on it. I just came to the conclusion that a nicer PSU, good AWG, and a bench DMM would be much more useful (paired with a lower end scope) than blowing all the budget on the 2000X-HD. A generally balanced lab is much more pleasant and efficient to use, in my experience.

€400 is a lot of money for a hobby, indeed, but my point was that, when you have enough, if a ~15% difference or so makes you feel bad about the purchase, you are probably outside of your expenditure confort range. That's my case at least.
For professional use the picture is completely different OFC.

[KungFuJosh]

I'm also talking about the 100MHz. 1.9k euro was right on the verge of my budget so...

I would wait and see where the 200MHz model price lands. Or see if you can find another distributor with the discounted 100MHz model. I'm sure there's another one out there. 😉

[DaneLaw]

UK
1664 £ + VAT ...[1960£] https://telonic.co.uk/product/siglent-sds2104x-hd-12-bit-4ch-100mhz-2gsa-s-high-resolution-oscilloscope/
US
1999 $ / 1850 € https://www.tequipment.net/Siglent/SDS2104X-HD/Digital-Oscilloscopes/

[Grandchuck]

Really cheap demo board for my SDS2204X HD

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/4-channel-scopes/

[egonotto]

Hello,

my SDS2104X HD has arrived safely. Unfortunately, the SDS2XHD-BND was not yet included.
Does the included mouse work with Bluetooth?

The SDS3034X HD will probably not arrive before the end of April. Hopefully it won't take any longer.

Best regards
egonotto

[egonotto]

Hello,

my SDS2104X HD has a bandwidth of about 180 MHz (ch1).
And you can measure the mains frequency.

The generator has 500 mVpp. Results in 250 mVpp in 50 Ohm.

Best regards
egonotto

[2N3055]

Hello,

my SDS2104X HD has arrived safely. Unfortunately, the SDS2XHD-BND was not yet included.
Does the included mouse work with Bluetooth?

The SDS3034X HD will probably not arrive before the end of April. Hopefully it won't take any longer.

Best regards
egonotto

I don't think that mouse is Bluetooth. More like analog to a Logitech Unified receiver type. You get that micro dongle with it.
Works well with any device I plugged it into: PC, TV, etc..

[egonotto]

Hello,

the generator has 500 mVpp. Results in 250 mVpp in 50 Ohm. Now a 500 MHz sine wave.

Best regards
egonotto

[egonotto]

Hello,

strange, the four input sockets have a plastic protective cap. The three BNC sockets at the rear do not have a plastic protective cap.

Best regards
egonotto

[egonotto]

Hello,

a pulse with 1 ns rise and fall time.
With the SDS2104X HD and a 350 MHz MHO3 Micsig and a 1 GHZ DSO6104L.

Best regards
egonotto

PS: This gives a rise time of approximately 0.9 ns for the Micsig and approximately 2.2 ns for the SDS2104X. The measurement  is very inaccurate.

[skander36]

...

I agree but still,  €400 is  €400. It can be a nice DMM or something else and we're not talking about a 10-15k scope where the  €400  might be a small portion of the total price. But yeah I know what you mean. In my case, I could afford the extra €400 but I always try to set a budget limit and stick to it. It has proven to be a good practise.   

At the end of the day there are many options out there and quite frankly I don't need everything the sds offers and  I definitely don't need more than 100MHz.

Regarding the price drop before discontinue it I think this was the reason. To get rid of the stock as soon as possible. Perhaps.. I don't know, it's just my guess

You can get SDS1104X-HD for 1300E and you can "upgrade" it to 1204X-HD. You have almost all functions that 2000X-HD have, including 10" screen. 2 Gsa/s on two channels does not bring you too much. (8 GSa/s on Rigol 5k does not help me too much). I don't saw much options on 12 bit in that range.

[Grandchuck]

Hello,

my SDS2104X HD has arrived safely. Unfortunately, the SDS2XHD-BND was not yet included.
Does the included mouse work with Bluetooth?

The SDS3034X HD will probably not arrive before the end of April. Hopefully it won't take any longer.

Best regards
egonotto

Here is a link to the mouse that came with my scope:  https://www.rapoo-eu.com/product/m10-plus/

It is 2.4 GHz and I assume it is bluetooth.

[2N3055]

Hello,

my SDS2104X HD has arrived safely. Unfortunately, the SDS2XHD-BND was not yet included.
Does the included mouse work with Bluetooth?

The SDS3034X HD will probably not arrive before the end of April. Hopefully it won't take any longer.

Best regards
egonotto

Here is a link to the mouse that came with my scope:  https://www.rapoo-eu.com/product/m10-plus/

It is 2.4 GHz and I assume it is bluetooth.

It is not. It comes with it's own receiver dongle.

[skander36]

Here is a link to the mouse that came with my scope:  https://www.rapoo-eu.com/product/m10-plus/

It is 2.4 GHz and I assume it is bluetooth.

If is not mentioned Bluetooth explicit in specifications then is possible to not be. In 2.4 GHz there are many other communication protocols.
If it's BT you can see whith your phone.

[axantas]

I just ran a test with that RappoM218 Mouse. It is not recognized as Bluethooth device. There is no coupling button as well. So: Dongle only.

[Grandchuck]

If it's BT you can see whith your phone.

That is a good tip!

[egonotto]

Hello,

Is there a way to save the entire segmented memory, i.e. all segments, to the PC?
If not, can this be achieved with an SCPI program?

Best regards
egonotto

[tautech]

I would be grateful if you could teach me the tricks/settings that you change from factory! Anything to increase its capabilities like adding PA and other useful options would be greatly appreciated!

They are not much.

Display/ Hide Menu = OFF
Utility/ System settings/ Ref Pos = Position
Acquire/ Acquisition = Fixed Memory < permits Zoom out of captures.... <not all models offer this.
Assign each probe to a channel with the colored rings and compensate.
Set all channels to 10x input attenuation.....irrespective of whether self sense probes are supplied or not.
Finally, set time/date and region.

All options offer 30 free uses before you need decide if any should be purchased and in 30 uses you can complete several projects if you are careful with trial option usage.
Enjoy your new scope.

[egonotto]

Hello,

I have used SPI and all decoding options have been reduced.

Best regards
egonotto

[egonotto]

Hello,

now my SDS2XHD-BND has also arrived. Getting the licenses took some work. When I plugged in the USB dongle, I had problems because my SDS2104X HD crashed.
What I didn't know is, that the digital channels only have a quarter of the memory and sampling frequency.

Best regards
egonotto

[tautech]

Hello,

now my SDS2XHD-BND has also arrived. Getting the licenses took some work. When I plugged in the USB dongle, I had problems because my SDS2104X HD crashed.

When installing the SDS2XHD-BND LIC files ?