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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1100 on: May 03, 2020, 02:19:29 pm »
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Tau is currently the best shot at getting an actual usable manual from them and correcting their mistake less one of them just happens to see this instead i'd think or anyone else with direct contacts
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Maybe not, SolderingIron already has this under control apparently however a fix date is unknown yet....it's still the weekend after all !
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1101 on: May 03, 2020, 04:47:32 pm »
I am working on a new version of the manual, where it will be possible to search :-) I have already finished 20 pages. It's slow but it will work as if the original was like this from the beginning.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1102 on: May 05, 2020, 09:15:30 pm »
Here is the new version of the search manual. If you come across any errors, write to me and correct me.

To download, you need to enter the password: Siglent

The best quality version is 160.5 MB
http://gofile.me/6pUlI/nr1whIQeC

Best quality version .zip 50.1MB
http://gofile.me/6pUlI/7fXa9Kcv3

Medium quality version 20.6MB
http://gofile.me/6pUlI/tYFo9pAph

Medium quality version .zip 11.5MB
http://gofile.me/6pUlI/betpf2iUm

Enjoy :-)
 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1103 on: May 05, 2020, 09:54:06 pm »
Nice, thank you.  :)
Grabbed the full 160 MB version and searched for a few words and it seems to work great.  :clap:

No added credit to the manual in recognition for your good work ?  :-//
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1104 on: May 06, 2020, 06:42:23 pm »
Hi and thank you. I'm glad you like it and it works. I don't need any recognition there. You help others here too, and I could do this for everyone, because I'm not as good at electronics as you are. However, I am now working on translating the manual into Czech and 25% is done. It's very slow but thanks to that I will be able to study it :-)
Otherwise, someone mentioned that he discovered VNC. Yes, it is written about in the manual :-)
 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1105 on: May 06, 2020, 07:58:57 pm »
I think, siglent should honour this, by at least make it official avaible, also the czech version, and by naming the author.
At least...

 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1106 on: May 06, 2020, 09:02:44 pm »
I think, siglent should honour this, by at least make it official avaible, also the czech version, and by naming the author.
At least...

IP rights.. same reason i wasnt going to stick my neck out for it, that opens up a host of copyright / infringement issues and legal exposure depending where you live

In the states most rights are use it or lose it forcing many companies to otherwise defend / go offensive even for good intent when it comes to their IP which has lead to many ridiculous outcomes; technically he is also now publishing it

Fantastic work though
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1107 on: May 09, 2020, 07:26:16 am »
Hi all,

As others, a great thank you to Svrbinek for the "upgraded" manual. :-+
A pity that doesn't come from Siglent himself.

I played again with my "pimped" SDS2104X-Plus and have some bad things.
The internal generator is very limited, it include several build in waveforms,
but no way have modulated waveforms available... :--

I have also experienced an issue, when I saved a waveform on USB key,
the previous recorded waveform was overwritten by the new !
Anyway,  without understand why and just after seeing options in some menus,
 that seem work now and each new saved file have a new name ( xxx_01.png ,xxx_02.png , xxx_03.png, etc....).
To follow near... :-\

I Played also a lot with the Bode plot and I found an unexpected behavior that occur at low frequency (10Hz-10kHz range).
Sometimes there is a wrong measurement and spikes appears on Bode plot result.

You can show below an example :



This of course not come from my setup, i checked twice.
There is even no DUT, Generator output is sent to both scope inputs that made Vout/Vin, so we expect flat response.
AS you can see, there is a fault spike. There is no noise source source around me.

I have also a complain about the bode plot, i really don't understand why the frequency range is limited to 10Hz.  ???
The generator itself can go to much lower frequencies...
I think the Siglent algorithm to make the Bode plot measurement is not very well optimized,
Bode plot take lot of time (If i compare for example with Analog-Discovery).

So nothing unacceptable, but Siglent have room to work on a new improved firmware.. :-/O


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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1108 on: May 09, 2020, 07:36:33 am »
The lower frequency limit is due to channel AC coupling. I didn't check yet whether this can be changed.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1109 on: May 09, 2020, 07:41:39 am »

I have also a complain about the bode plot, i really don't understand why the frequency range is limited to 10Hz.  ???
The generator itself can go to much lower frequencies...

This has been discussed earlier and there might be chance for small improvement however as the channel inputs are AC coupled when in Bode plot, performance at low frequencies is dominated by the input's AC response.
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I think the Siglent algorithm to make the Bode plot measurement is not very well optimized,
Bode plot take lot of time (If i compare for example with Analog-Discovery).
Lowering the Points will increase Bode plot speed.
It's about speed vs accuracy. Pick your poison.  ;)

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So nothing unacceptable, but Siglent have room to work on a new improved firmware..
Yep, this.  :-+
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1110 on: May 09, 2020, 08:15:24 am »
Siglent could implement a calibration mode, like you'd do with a network analyser.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1111 on: May 09, 2020, 09:37:56 am »
I have also experienced an issue, when I saved a waveform on USB key,
the previous recorded waveform was overwritten by the new !
Anyway,  without understand why and just after seeing options in some menus,
 that seem work now and each new saved file have a new name ( xxx_01.png ,xxx_02.png , xxx_03.png, etc....).
To follow near... :-\

Was already reported here.
In this thread, the awg´s missing features could be reported too.

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1112 on: May 09, 2020, 09:57:27 am »
I have also experienced an issue, when I saved a waveform on USB key,
the previous recorded waveform was overwritten by the new !
Anyway,  without understand why and just after seeing options in some menus,
 that seem work now and each new saved file have a new name ( xxx_01.png ,xxx_02.png , xxx_03.png, etc....).
To follow near... :-\

Was already reported here.
In this thread, the awg´s missing features could be reported too.

Ok, I will do this.
Anyway, the big concern is most the wrong spikes occuring when Bode plotting.

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1113 on: May 09, 2020, 04:36:09 pm »
I can not reproduce wrong measurements nor spikes.

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1114 on: May 10, 2020, 11:17:59 am »
Hello DL2XY,

The wrong measurements points doesn't always appear,
but it seem that it's related to sweep number of point.
With 100 points and 25 points I don't have seen the issue,
 but this morning with 50 points I experienced three time in a row the issue.
I posted also the config page if you want to try using same setup.

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1115 on: May 10, 2020, 02:42:00 pm »
Hello Frex,

Tryed again by succesively adopting your settings:
1. used 50 points - ok
2. used Auto Gain - ok
3. reversed CH1/Ch2 - bingo... :--


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After this Failure every saved screenshot is numbered "_1"  ?!

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1116 on: May 11, 2020, 07:59:05 am »
Note from Siglent:

SIGLENT have addressed the SDS2000X Plus User manual to allow it to be searched.
The new version is UM0102XP-E01B and you can download it here:
https://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2020/01/SDS2000X_Plus_UserManual_UM0102XP-E01B.pdf
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1117 on: May 11, 2020, 03:52:27 pm »
So I managed to finish the manual in the Czech language. Complete editing, graphic editing and indexing was necessary :-) But it looks better than the original in English, where there are quite a few errors. It was difficult :-)
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1118 on: May 11, 2020, 03:56:56 pm »
Note from Siglent:

SIGLENT have addressed the SDS2000X Plus User manual to allow it to be searched.
The new version is UM0102XP-E01B and you can download it here:
https://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2020/01/SDS2000X_Plus_UserManual_UM0102XP-E01B.pdf

Hi, the manual that is now with the search is from page 18-25 in French. Well, if Siglent and Oscilloscopes do this, then good things are not waiting for us in the future :-D
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1119 on: May 11, 2020, 04:07:19 pm »
Hi, the manual that is now with the search is from page 18 in French.

 :-DD  (nobody said it should be searchable in english!)
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1120 on: May 11, 2020, 04:23:19 pm »
Note from Siglent:

SIGLENT have addressed the SDS2000X Plus User manual to allow it to be searched.
The new version is UM0102XP-E01B and you can download it here:
https://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2020/01/SDS2000X_Plus_UserManual_UM0102XP-E01B.pdf

Hi, the manual that is now with the search is from page 18-25 in French. Well, if Siglent and Oscilloscopes do this, then good things are not waiting for us in the future :-D

LOL it's not. It is manual for North America, that includes Canada. It is customary to provide "Exigence de Sécurité ", General Safety Summary  in French in manual... It is in English. allright...
 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1121 on: May 11, 2020, 05:21:23 pm »
Where is the spanish warnings? It's clearly racist....  :horse:  :box:

On another note... I've left my unit hooked up to my SDG2000X via LAN and it has yet to do the same fault shown as others on the bode, would appear limited to the internal AWG?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1122 on: May 11, 2020, 05:44:21 pm »
Where is the spanish warnings? It's clearly racist....  :horse:  :box:


Mais pas au Canada... :-DD
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1123 on: May 11, 2020, 05:59:36 pm »
Nope... i finally got one on an external arb too

 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #1124 on: May 11, 2020, 08:12:27 pm »
Doesnt seem to matter on number of points.. just randomly does it

 


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