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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2925 on: October 19, 2021, 12:10:13 pm »
Of course, with my new SDS2504XP, the probes are only 20% of the cost of the 'scope! The Probe Master probes went on the new 'scope on day one, and I still haven't opened the envelopes of Siglent probes that came with the 'scope.

Probe Master probes are awesome. I bought one of their 3 probe kits...and unfortunately GAS forced me to buy another set, and some DMM probes, accessories, etc... It's rough sometimes. 🤣
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2926 on: October 19, 2021, 12:36:47 pm »
If you look at them as a replacement for P6139, then they're a good deal.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2927 on: October 25, 2021, 07:18:22 am »
As posted in the Bugs thread............

New firmware for SDS2000X Plus models

Version V1.3.9R6
18 MB
https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SDS2000X%20Plus_V1.3.9R6_EN.zip

Release notes
Fixed several bugs
When selecting the option screen the scope hangs
Wrong FFT frequency when memory depth > 10 Mpts
Incorrect network storage path leads the scope to hang
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2928 on: October 25, 2021, 07:21:20 am »
As posted in the Bugs thread............

New firmware for SDS2000X Plus models

Version V1.3.9R6
18 MB
https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SDS2000X%20Plus_V1.3.9R6_EN.zip

Release notes
Fixed several bugs
When selecting the option screen the scope hangs
Wrong FFT frequency when memory depth > 10 Mpts
Incorrect network storage path leads the scope to hang

Great news, that fix was released very fast Good work Siglent!
THX! :-)
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2929 on: October 25, 2021, 07:29:56 am »
Done! :-)  :-+

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2930 on: October 25, 2021, 08:07:56 am »
First try FFT:
Sine- & Squarewave
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2931 on: October 25, 2021, 05:11:38 pm »
Apparently with the previous update the scope is now able to store screen shots on /usr/bin/siglent/usr/mass_storage/local/SIGLENT if no USB drive is inserted.
But how do I get those screenshots out of the scope without telneting into the scope and remounting the USB drive read/write?

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2932 on: October 25, 2021, 07:50:33 pm »
Apparently with the previous update the scope is now able to store screen shots on /usr/bin/siglent/usr/mass_storage/local/SIGLENT if no USB drive is inserted.
But how do I get those screenshots out of the scope without telneting into the scope and remounting the USB drive read/write?

Jo
Go looking in the Save/Recall menu.
Accessible from the front panel or via the webserver.

Will have one out later and have a close look for you........
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2933 on: October 25, 2021, 08:33:07 pm »
Hi tautech, thanks for pointing me into the right direction, didn't find it on my own :palm:
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2934 on: October 30, 2021, 11:41:18 am »
Can anyone tell me the input specifications for the Digital Ports?  Cannot find anything about impedance/capacitance.

I was happy to score the MSO bundle and have just tried the digital ports on one of my sick 1960s electronic calculators.  These machines are discrete diode and transistor logic, in many cases load and bias resistors and differentiating caps are hand trimmed on a per-stage basis.  One or two hundred Ge transistors, four or five times that for the diodes and all of them over fifty years old, kinda surprising that they work at all really!

The digital probe inputs seem to present enough load to disturb some of the vintage logic and I was looking for specs to confirm that this was likely to be the case.  But I cannot find anything.

Anyone can point me in the right direction?  Thanks!
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2935 on: October 30, 2021, 12:02:38 pm »
Can anyone tell me the input specifications for the Digital Ports?  Cannot find anything about impedance/capacitance.

I was happy to score the MSO bundle and have just tried the digital ports on one of my sick 1960s electronic calculators.  These machines are discrete diode and transistor logic, in many cases load and bias resistors and differentiating caps are hand trimmed on a per-stage basis.  One or two hundred Ge transistors, four or five times that for the diodes and all of them over fifty years old, kinda surprising that they work at all really!

The digital probe inputs seem to present enough load to disturb some of the vintage logic and I was looking for specs to confirm that this was likely to be the case.  But I cannot find anything.

Anyone can point me in the right direction?  Thanks!

Probe datasheet..
Page 6..

But good point, not obvious to find..
 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2936 on: October 31, 2021, 12:03:50 am »
Also on the US site: Accessories>Probes>Digital Logic Probes
https://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Digital-Probe-Datasheet-V20E201912.pdf
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2937 on: October 31, 2021, 12:11:03 am »
Thanks both!  Dunno why I did not find that document.  :palm:
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2938 on: October 31, 2021, 07:31:31 am »
First try FFT:
Sine- & Squarewave
Have you noticed that the FFT setting might not be optimal?

You’re using a long 2 Mpts FFT for analyzing a LF signal. This is pretty slow and still provides only a rather poor frequency resolution of ~24 Hz, which in turn will result in a RBW (resolution bandwidth) of some 50 to 100 Hz, depending on the window function used.

Speaking of window functions, you should select it carefully. Use Flattop whenever amplitude accuracy is important and blackman for a slightly better dynamic range and narrower resolution bandwidth otherwise.

Your FFT uses 50 MSa/s sample rate, which results in an FFT bandwidth of 25 MHz. This is overkill to watch a 1 kHz sine wave and consequently you have to use an extreme zoom for the FFT display. If you limit the FFT bandwidth to e.g. 100 kHz (by limiting the FFT length to 16 kpts) you avoid generating a bunch of unused data and get a faster update of the spectrum. With this setting, you could still watch all the harmonics up to n=100 ;)

The first attached screenshot shows this situation with your timebase setting of 10 ms/div. This also means that the FFT has a lower bandwidth limit of 10 Hz. Frequency step is 12,21 Hz and I used the Flattop window where you nearly have to quadruple the frequency step in order to determine the RBW. So the resolution bandwidth in this example is slightly less than 50 Hz.

The second attached screenshot shows the same situation with a timebase setting of 50 ms/div. To get the same FFT bandwidth, FFT length had to be adjusted to 64 kpts. This slows acquisition down, hence also the FFT. The FFT now has a lower bandwidth limit of 2 Hz. Frequency step is 3,05 Hz and Flattop window is used again. The resolution bandwidth in this example is now slightly less than 12 Hz and you can see this clearly in the graph.

In both examples above the view is zoomed into the first 10 kHz, because as can be seen the harmonics of my sine wave (coming from an SDG6000X) are just too low to be properly measured and there is only noise above 10 kHz anyway.

For the square wave it is a bit more complex. As we all know, (especially) narrow pulses can have a fairly constant spectrum up to very high frequencies. So my advice here is to first inspect a full bandwidth spectrum (i.e. with an FFT sample rate of 1 GSa/s for full 500 MHz FFT bandwidth) to determine the bandwidth of the input signal and then chose the final FFT bandwidth accordingly.

EDIT: if you don't follow this advice, you might get very confusing spurious lines coming from aliasing in the FFT, even though there is no aliasing in the Y-t plot.

The third screenshot shows a triangle wave, which has a spectrum with reasonably fast decay. Analysis bandwidth is 100 kHz again with the full bandwidth displayed. Without the zoom, the spectral lines are nice thin and sharp, so the visual resolution leaves nothing to be desired and a slower timebase (together with a longer FFT) is not required here.

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2939 on: October 31, 2021, 11:02:48 am »
Normally, the fan noise of my sds2k+ doesn´t annoying me - Now I got a new "toy room" and now it annoys a little bit... ;)
So I decided to change the fan against a low noise one, in this case a noctua nf-a9.
The fan size is 92x92, not 80x80 which was my first thought.
The thickness are the same, so I don´t expect any mechanical problems.
Additionally, I´ve ordered a pwm-fan control pcb... 8)
So let´s do it ! Wait a minute...Wtf...Argh, don´t have a suitable screwdriver here... ::) :P
OK, next weekend... :( ;)

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2940 on: October 31, 2021, 01:49:59 pm »
Normally, the fan noise of my sds2k+ doesn´t annoying me - Now I got a new "toy room" and now it annoys a little bit... ;)

I'm with you. It's a great scope, but the fan is too noisy.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2941 on: November 01, 2021, 11:52:32 am »
Have you noticed that the FFT setting might not be optimal?
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Thank your very much for your detailed answer and instructions/hints on how to use the FFT, I`m still learning!

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2942 on: November 01, 2021, 09:31:27 pm »
I'm with you. It's a great scope, but the fan is too noisy.

I wouldn´t say too noisy, just a little bit annoying in a very calm room.
The noise of my former rigol 5000 was more disturbing, even after the upgrade.
But both are nothing, really nothing against the noise of a lecroy wavejet...
You can take the word JET in it seriously... ;D
Another thing:
The siglent case got torx screws as far as I can see - Do someone know the exact size?
Don´t want to buy a whole set of TX screwdrivers....

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2943 on: November 01, 2021, 09:39:22 pm »
T10 will work…..just checked.
However you could consult the service manual for tools required.  ;)
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2944 on: November 01, 2021, 09:51:34 pm »
I'm with you. It's a great scope, but the fan is too noisy.

I wouldn´t say too noisy, just a little bit annoying in a very calm room.
The noise of my former rigol 5000 was more disturbing, even after the upgrade.
But both are nothing, really nothing against the noise of a lecroy wavejet...
You can take the word JET in it seriously... ;D
Another thing:
The siglent case got torx screws as far as I can see - Do someone know the exact size?
Don´t want to buy a whole set of TX screwdrivers....

Martin

Like Tau says T10..

BUt Martin, I'm confused.. It doesn't work that way.
In situations like this , that is good reason to buy the whole set....  >:D :-DD
That is how you do it... :-DD
 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2945 on: November 01, 2021, 10:04:34 pm »
Don´t want to buy a whole set of TX screwdrivers....

You have a minimum price bar??

One of these days I'll make a torx set review to help you buy a good one!  :)
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2946 on: November 01, 2021, 10:11:57 pm »
Guys... ;)

I never need a torx since today, all the years... 8)
 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2947 on: November 06, 2021, 11:46:45 am »
Now I got the right ONE... 8)

Interesting, the original fan is mounted on a rubber..
There is enough space around for the fancontrol pcb, so I think I drill some holes for bolts for it.
But first and the next step is to measure the fan voltage - is it 12v ? And all the time, that´s important for the fan control pcb.
To be continued..

 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2948 on: November 06, 2021, 01:04:28 pm »
Hi Martin,

the fan run's at 12VDC ... I didn't noticed any RPM control or change ... constant noisy before the modification.

Interessting project with the little control pcb ... I just used one of the noctua fan speed control cables (resistor inside) to bring the rpm down.
Works well and very robust ;-)

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2949 on: November 06, 2021, 01:57:25 pm »
Hi Deichgraf,

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the fan run's at 12VDC ... I didn't noticed any RPM control or change

Thankyou, makes it easier...

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I just used one of the noctua fan speed control cables

Ah, this is meant with "LNA", got one in the package too... :-X
Nevertheless, I´ll use the pcb...was a little bit afraid about the ambient temperature.
It´s a pity, the fanconnector on the pcb, you can see it is prepared for 4-pole pwm...You post a pic also.
I think I use the rubber from the "sucker" ( warm air sucking out of the case) for the noctua too.
BR
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