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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #300 on: November 01, 2022, 07:03:37 pm »
Weren't these supposed to go on sale this week?
Many models have.
Here's the info for the SDS2000X Plus range:
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-63.html
Yes, I see even in Canada prices have come down!  This is worth considering.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #301 on: November 01, 2022, 07:15:52 pm »
Weren't these supposed to go on sale this week?
Many models have.
Here's the info for the SDS2000X Plus range:
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-63.html
Yes, I see even in Canada prices have come down!  This is worth considering.
You have 8 weeks !
More are here:
https://siglentna.com/news-and-events/siglent-promotions/
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #302 on: November 01, 2022, 10:44:14 pm »
Pulled the trigger 5 minutes a go....   :scared:
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #303 on: November 03, 2022, 08:30:38 am »
WIFI isn't mentioned in the SDS2000X Plus datasheet.  Has that capability been added in firmware updates or been enabled through a hack?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #304 on: November 03, 2022, 09:08:04 am »
WIFI isn't mentioned in the SDS2000X Plus datasheet.  Has that capability been added in firmware updates or been enabled through a hack?
AFAIK there is no WIFI hardware on board.

I use a tp-link wifi-router:
https://www.tp-link.com/en/home-networking/wifi-router/tl-wr802n/

which is working fine.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #305 on: November 03, 2022, 09:46:47 am »
Oh, I meant if it could work with USB Wifi like the SDS1104X-E  (ie., using a TP-Link TL-WN725N)
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #306 on: November 03, 2022, 03:14:10 pm »
Scope came 15 minutes ago and is now a fully decked SDS2504X+.

Now to get to work...
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #307 on: November 03, 2022, 03:20:29 pm »
Oh, I meant if it could work with USB Wifi like the SDS1104X-E  (ie., using a TP-Link TL-WN725N)
No, it is Ethernet or USB .. no WIFI.  Just tried and it does not even recognize the WIFI TP-Link dongle.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #308 on: November 11, 2022, 06:04:43 pm »
I'm SERIOUSLY considering to "Hit the buy button"
https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Siglent-SDS2104X-plus.html

But i need it to become 350MHz , or prefreably 500MHz
Can anyone confirm that "Recent scopes" accept the "Keygen" ?

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #309 on: November 11, 2022, 06:34:03 pm »
I'm SERIOUSLY considering to "Hit the buy button"
https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Siglent-SDS2104X-plus.html

But i need it to become 350MHz , or prefreably 500MHz
Can anyone confirm that "Recent scopes" accept the "Keygen" ?

/Bingo
Mine did last week. 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #310 on: November 11, 2022, 06:59:02 pm »
Can anyone confirm that "Recent scopes" accept the "Keygen" ?

Ordered last week from Batronix, no problem.
Just started to create .lic files, had not yet the network configured and the touchscreen was getting annoying to enter the codes.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #311 on: November 11, 2022, 07:07:41 pm »
Can anyone confirm that "Recent scopes" accept the "Keygen" ?

Ordered last week from Batronix, no problem.
Just started to create .lic files, had not yet the network configured and the touchscreen was getting annoying to enter the codes.
So so much easier within the scopes webserver SCPI command panel.
SCPI command/license and Copy/Paste. Done !

If you have the scope option/license page open you can watch each one in turn get converted to Permanent.
Even new before dispatch we do it like this and can easy clear our IP from the scope with the Secure Erase.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #312 on: November 11, 2022, 08:31:46 pm »
I'm SERIOUSLY considering to "Hit the buy button"
https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Siglent-SDS2104X-plus.html

But i need it to become 350MHz , or prefreably 500MHz
Can anyone confirm that "Recent scopes" accept the "Keygen" ?

/Bingo

Well i did hit buy @Batronix - €1199 incl. DK VAT (extaa 6%) DK is 25 %
Hope the "Upgrade goes well" ...

/Bingo

« Last Edit: November 11, 2022, 09:25:15 pm by bingo600 »
 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #313 on: November 11, 2022, 08:34:23 pm »
Congrats! :-+
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #314 on: November 19, 2022, 11:59:19 am »
Thanx to the nice users of this board.  :-+
I now have a "Fully loaded" - SDS2504X Plus  8)
I didn't send/enable Opt. WIFI. Don't think it would work anyway, and wouldn't use it.
 
What is Opt. MAX ??
I don't see it on the options page in the scope, or ?

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #315 on: November 19, 2022, 07:02:23 pm »
I didn't send/enable Opt. WIFI. Don't think it would work anyway, and wouldn't use it.
SDS2000X Plus doesn't support WiFi.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #316 on: November 24, 2022, 04:58:05 pm »
Just post new info.

Got a sds2074X Plus last week, firmware version is 1.3.5R5.
Keygen is works too.

Thanks guys.
 
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Sweeping an "improved" SDS2104XP with an ADF4350
« Reply #317 on: December 01, 2022, 03:41:53 pm »
Here are the results of using an ADF4350 to look at the BW of an "improved" SDS2104XP.  The 50 ohm termination is enabled on the scope and I'm using a 6" coax to connect the FG to the scope

Please have a look at the shots and see if my assumptions are more or less correct.

My assumptions here are:

1) Max amplitude = 550mV (see the shot @400MHz)
2) -3dB = .707*550 = 389mV
3) Due to the square wave from the ADF4350, these results need to be taken as an approximation.

I was tempted to take 500mV as the maximum and put the increase in amplitude @400MHz as overshoot, however that leads to a BW in excess of 680MHz!


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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #318 on: December 04, 2022, 06:17:33 am »
@BillyO
IMHO i find your measurement method (display) a bit confusing, might be my lack of understanding.
Btw: don't you have a strange "dip" @200MHz ?

I tested mine with an Agilent ESG (locked to a Tbolt) , it is set to output ~100mV PP (~36mV RMS) at 100MHz , and enabled a "Basic screen readout"
Then i just dialed in the other frequencies i wanted to test , and found the -3dB just below 600MHz.

My SMA adapters are in the summerhouse, so i had to use a RG58 cable with a N-BNC on the ESG.


I was quite impressed to see the Scope Freq counter to be 100% spot on, all the way to 600MHz
The "Scope readout" freq, was deviating, but the one in the top was "spot on"

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #319 on: December 04, 2022, 10:13:42 am »
@BillyO
IMHO i find your measurement method (display) a bit confusing, might be my lack of understanding.
Btw: don't you have a strange "dip" @200MHz ?

I tested mine with an Agilent ESG (locked to a Tbolt) , it is set to output ~100mV PP (~36mV RMS) at 100MHz , and enabled a "Basic screen readout"
Then i just dialed in the other frequencies i wanted to test , and found the 3dB just below 600MHz.

My SMA adapters are in the summerhouse, so i had to use a RG58 cable with a N-BNC on the ESG.


I was quite impressed to see the Scope Freq counter to be 100% spot on, all the way to 600MHz
The "Scope readout" freq, was deviating, but the one in the top was "spot on"

/Bingo
Nice measurements..

Frequency "on top " is actual hardware frequency counter in the scope.  Since these scopes have decent clock source they are quite accurate.
Frequency measurements from measurements menu are based on sampled data and are less accurate. That is normal. If you enable statistics, and play with timebase you can get averaged values that are closer.

 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #320 on: December 04, 2022, 03:20:49 pm »
@BillyO
IMHO i find your measurement method (display) a bit confusing, might be my lack of understanding.
I had the stats turned on to get averaging.  The "Mean" for both amplitude and Tr.  I just ran each measurement for a few hundred counts until the Mean stabilized.

Btw: don't you have a strange "dip" @200MHz ?
Something to do with the square wave and overshoot is my guess.  As the signal becomes more sinusoidal it begins behaving better.  Later I was able to get some software for the ADF4350 that allowed me to run it at as low as 35MHz so I could get a better reading of the actual amplitude.  It is 0.505V so the end point @ 0.36V should be valid.  This all needs to be verified with a sine wave generator.  I don't have one that will go up this high, but I know someone that does.  I just need to arrange to bring it over.  Maybe after Christmas.

The timebase in my ADF4350 is just an everyday SMD oscillator can, so the frequency was a tad off (~5ppm).  I'm sure the Siglent timebase is the better of the two.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #321 on: December 04, 2022, 07:01:10 pm »
There are reports from knowing users early after X Plus release full BW is from 580-620MHz , why do we need confirm this again ?  :-//
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #322 on: December 04, 2022, 08:39:44 pm »
There are reports from knowing users early after X Plus release full BW is from 580-620MHz , why do we need confirm this again ?  :-//
Because when I first did the "improvement" using the MSCP MCBD command to install the 500MHz license out of the box the best I could get (using a sine wave generator) was 266MHz and there was quite a bit of distortion on the rising edge of the signal in the form of a much slower rise time on the 2nd half of the rising edge.  The model ID was changed to SDS2504X Plus but it was NOT running at 500MHz.

I then used the MSCP MCBD command to put it back to 100MHz and then installed the licenses 200 -> 350 -> 500 using the UI and now I'm getting better than 600MHz.

I think the 500MHz license makes certain adjustments but not all of them.  It requires the scope to be already at 350MHz.

So .. my plan is to get in front of the SW generator again, put it back to 100MHz, do the direct to 500MHz MSCP MCBD command and see what I get.  If it's the same as last time, then I'll take a screen shot.  Then I'll do the 100 -> 200 -> 350 -> 500 again and run a series and let everyone know the results.

Maybe folks that are doing the 500MHz directly with the MSCP MCBD command are not getting what they think.  I know bingo600 did it through the UI .. he's getting good results and when I did it through the UI I got better results.

Besides, this is fun.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #323 on: December 04, 2022, 08:52:07 pm »
Besides, this is fun.

 :-+

Just use MCBD instead of MSCP. Should provide even more BW...  :-DD
 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack
« Reply #324 on: December 04, 2022, 10:56:17 pm »
Right! :palm:
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