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Title: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: markus_jlrb on June 05, 2018, 10:27:00 am
Dears,

looking for someone who has already manage to access the mentioned device above
(including all SDS2000X devices) via lan (telnet or ssh) in order to dump the FW.

According to some internal infos, you could obtain the factory mode by using the same
way you need to enter debug mode of android, means press a certain button several times.

If someone had already reveal this combination, would be fine to share this with all.

Thanks for corresponding infos that will help.

Markus
 
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: Arturoizer on June 06, 2018, 03:31:56 am
The important thing I need is to study these stories.
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: markus_jlrb on June 06, 2018, 05:49:43 am
FYI,

as I was not able to login via telnet on port 23, I had take a look into the programming guide.
Programming Guide For Digital Oscilloscopes Series
http://www.siglent.com/ENs/down.aspx?id=28 (http://www.siglent.com/ENs/down.aspx?id=28)
The port 5024 is open for commands like *IDN?, see page #12. but could mot be detect by nmap
port scanner.

Looking forward to get new details how to enter the OS.

Markus


Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: markus_jlrb on June 06, 2018, 08:19:59 pm
FYI,

according to a YT video the BW limitation of the 70MHz/100MHz/200MHz models
(SDS207X, SDS210X,  SDS220X) could be disabled by removing a SMD cap. from
the front end amp.

Is someone able to confirm this statement?

Markus 
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tautech on June 07, 2018, 11:05:45 am
FYI,

according to a YT video the BW limitation of the 70MHz/100MHz/200MHz models
(SDS207X, SDS210X,  SDS220X) could be disabled by removing a SMD cap. from
the front end amp.

Is someone able to confirm this statement?

Markus
Maybe something along those lines.  :-X
If you watch Dave's teardown @ ~18.30...........................
https://www.eevblog.com/2016/03/31/eevblog-864-siglent-sds2000x-series-oscilloscope-teardown/ (https://www.eevblog.com/2016/03/31/eevblog-864-siglent-sds2000x-series-oscilloscope-teardown/)
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tv84 on June 21, 2018, 09:19:03 pm
Answer me this:

Does this scope model have a license input menu?

Is it for Options and/or BW ?

Does Siglent provide upgrade licenses for this equipment?

Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tautech on June 21, 2018, 09:28:42 pm
Answer me this:

Does this scope model have a license input menu?
Yes.
Quote
Is it for Options and/or BW ?
Only Options.*

Quote
Does Siglent provide upgrade licenses for this equipment?
No.  ;)

*In some FW Changelog a long time ago BW upgrade was listed but we haven't seen it since. It may have been removed or hidden.
** This may have been in older SDS2000 not X
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tv84 on June 21, 2018, 09:32:52 pm
The available options are these ones?

P/F-OUT
AWG
Decode
MSO
PAS


When was the last version with a BW license menu? Or was it inserted in the same place as the options? Can you provide a picture of the Sistem Info with the options active/inactive?
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tautech on June 21, 2018, 09:41:04 pm
The available options are these ones?

P/F-OUT
AWG
Decode
MSO
PAS


When was the last version with a BW license menu? Or was it inserted in the same place as the options? Can you provide a picture of the Sistem Info with the options active/inactive?
P/F-OUT I think is Pass/Fail and has been a free feature (not option) since.......forever AFAIK.

There is NO visible BW upgrade feature in the GUI.
markus_jlrb can provide the Option Info screenshot as it saves me needing to dig my SDS2304X out.  :)
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tv84 on June 21, 2018, 09:46:44 pm
Does the "insert option license" menu becomes disabled after all options active?

Or is it still enabled?    ;)


Markus,
Attached is the Blackfin code of the last FW version available.
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tautech on June 21, 2018, 09:53:44 pm
Does the "insert option license" menu becomes disabled after all options active?

Or is it still enabled?    ;)
Sorry I can't remember.  :(

My 2304X was fully optioned until PAS (Power Analysis) was included in a recent FW version. It still could be accessed in a special 'test' mode while PAS was still in beta development though.
PAS is by far the most expensive of the options and has very powerful capabilities.
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: markus_jlrb on June 22, 2018, 05:10:47 am
@all,

sorry I forgot my own thread ;-)
will provide the requested infos over weekend.

Markus
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: Scratch.HTF on June 23, 2018, 07:55:41 am
A software option could switch in or out a bandwidth limiting capacitor/filter.
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tv84 on June 23, 2018, 08:37:23 am
Does the "insert option license" menu becomes disabled after all options active?

Or is it still enabled?    ;)
Sorry I can't remember.  :(

My 2304X was fully optioned until PAS (Power Analysis) was included in a recent FW version. It still could be accessed in a special 'test' mode while PAS was still in beta development though.
PAS is by far the most expensive of the options and has very powerful capabilities.

tautech,

Do you know any of your option licenses?
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tautech on June 23, 2018, 09:36:22 am
Does the "insert option license" menu becomes disabled after all options active?

Or is it still enabled?    ;)
Sorry I can't remember.  :(

My 2304X was fully optioned until PAS (Power Analysis) was included in a recent FW version. It still could be accessed in a special 'test' mode while PAS was still in beta development though.
PAS is by far the most expensive of the options and has very powerful capabilities.

tautech,

Do you know any of your option licenses?
The codes ? Sorry no, they were all factory installed when I ordered the 2304X.
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: bugi on June 23, 2018, 08:43:35 pm
Can you provide a picture of the Sistem Info with the options active/inactive?
Just in case these are still of interest, I attached relevant screenshots. (Latest firmware version.)

I also do not know what happens to the "install" button once all option licenses are installed (since I also do not have the PAS license), but judging how it shows for the already installed options ("Installed" and still with the blue arrow, even if pushing that button actually does nothing in such case), I'd guess that button just keeps on showing for all options.
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tv84 on June 23, 2018, 09:13:19 pm
Just in case these are still of interest, I attached relevant screenshots. (Latest firmware version.)

bugi,

What about the system info screen? Can you post, please?
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: bugi on June 23, 2018, 09:28:12 pm
What about the system info screen? Can you post, please?
That one is called "System status" (iirc), and only shows:
* startup times
* software, FPGA, and hardware versions
* product type ("SDS2304X")
* serial no and scope id

Nothing that tells about options or bandwidth (except the product type numbering revealing the nominal bandwidth). Screenshot would not really tell anything more (except the actual values for each field, but they are not of any use here).

I couldn't find any other informative pages or menus, but then again, I'm no pro, so I could have missed something somewhere.
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tv84 on June 23, 2018, 09:50:47 pm
Format of the Scope ID?
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: bugi on June 23, 2018, 10:23:14 pm
Format of the Scope ID?
Apparently: four hex digits - four hex digits - four hex digits.  E.g. f00b-123f-5d3a (and no, that is not my scope's id, just random digits in the same format).
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tv84 on August 03, 2018, 11:02:13 pm
Anyone with one of these scopes has a license for his Bandwidth upgrade?
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tautech on August 03, 2018, 11:48:59 pm
Anyone with one of these scopes has a license for his Bandwidth upgrade?
BW upgrades for 2kX are not available after sale. They've never been offered as an option by Siglent.
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tv84 on August 04, 2018, 07:34:01 am
BW upgrades for 2kX are not available after sale. They've never been offered as an option by Siglent.

That may force a patch to the FW...
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: w0rksh0p on February 06, 2020, 02:54:20 pm
Hi tv84,

how was it possible to patch the firmware to enable all options? I crawled through the archives but didn't find anything which is clear as soon as I learned that the SDS2kX has the Blackfin architecture (although you were able to run uClinux on it which is dead now).

Regards ew
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tautech on February 06, 2020, 07:27:12 pm
Hi tv84,

how was it possible to patch the firmware to enable all options? I crawled through the archives but didn't find anything which is clear as soon as I learned that the SDS2kX has the Blackfin architecture (although you were able to run uClinux on it which is dead now).

Regards ew
Welcome to the forum.

Study reply #158 in this thread:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/unlocking-siglent-sds1104x-e-step-by-step/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/unlocking-siglent-sds1104x-e-step-by-step/)
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: Keith956 on April 10, 2020, 10:45:47 am
Study reply #158 in this thread:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/unlocking-siglent-sds1104x-e-step-by-step/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/unlocking-siglent-sds1104x-e-step-by-step/)

The python code in that post might work for the X-E version, but my SDS2204X has a 14 digit serial number, not 16 digit  :(
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tautech on April 10, 2020, 07:53:13 pm
Study reply #158 in this thread:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/unlocking-siglent-sds1104x-e-step-by-step/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/unlocking-siglent-sds1104x-e-step-by-step/)

The python code in that post might work for the X-E version, but my SDS2204X has a 14 digit serial number, not 16 digit  :(
Welcome to the forum.

Did you try your scope's Scope ID# ?
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tv84 on April 10, 2020, 08:26:30 pm
The python code in that post might work for the X-E version, but my SDS2204X has a 14 digit serial number, not 16 digit  :(

You mean 12 digit... Forget the python code.
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: Keith956 on April 11, 2020, 07:31:45 am
Actually looking at the script, it contains the string 'SDS1000X-E' so I guess it won't work on a SDS2000X. Oh well...

Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tautech on April 11, 2020, 07:47:57 am
Actually looking at the script, it contains the string 'SDS1000X-E' so I guess it won't work on a SDS2000X. Oh well...
There should be further assistance in this thread:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ads-firmware-file-format/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ads-firmware-file-format/)
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: tv84 on April 11, 2020, 01:09:58 pm
Actually looking at the script, it contains the string 'SDS1000X-E' so I guess it won't work on a SDS2000X. Oh well...

As John would say: "something completely different..."
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: Keith956 on April 12, 2020, 01:16:43 am
Ah OK, thanks for the link! Will take a while reading through that... Was not aware that the 2000X series used Blackfin.
Title: Re: Siglent SDS2204X Mods
Post by: yadt on November 02, 2020, 11:45:26 pm
how was it possible to patch the firmware to enable all options? I crawled through the archives but didn't find anything which is clear as soon as I learned that the SDS2kX has the Blackfin architecture (although you were able to run uClinux on it which is dead now).
Study reply #158 in this thread:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/unlocking-siglent-sds1104x-e-step-by-step/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/unlocking-siglent-sds1104x-e-step-by-step/)

I too am trying to figure out how to enable the options for a SDS2104X.

I have read through that entire thread, and tried the python code attached to (and linked from) that thread, with no luck.

I also read through the other linked thread https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2204x-mods/msg3009796/#msg3009796 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2204x-mods/msg3009796/#msg3009796), and found that it had a link leading back here: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ads-firmware-file-format/msg1622302/#msg1622302 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ads-firmware-file-format/msg1622302/#msg1622302).

I also found another thread with a post with firmware to change the product type (but requiring a hardware mod to actually increase the bandwidth) https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-hack/msg1848566/#msg1848566 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-hack/msg1848566/#msg1848566).

I feel like I am missing something obvious, but going round in circles.

Is there a way to find the option keys for an SDS2104X? (Ignoring the bandwidth upgrade hardware mod).