Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD

[TopQuark]

Feel free to translate it, but tldr is

SDS3000X HD
- 12 bits
- 1GHz bandwidth
- 4Gsps
- active probe interface

SDS1000X HD - updated
- still 12 bits
- now dark themed
- now 2Gsps
- now 500k wfm/s

Source: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/ZnNZotzQ3Qb17i6SSwaEHw

As an SDS2000X HD user who hasn’t received a software update for around a year, I feel shafted

[KungFuJosh]

As an SDS2000X HD user who hasn’t received a software update for around a year, I feel shafted

This sentiment seems funny to me. Do people think Siglent has only 5 employees who can either work on firmware OR hardware?

That's silly. Besides, you should understand that Siglent builds platforms, and it's likely that the 2KHD series will benefit from the existence of the 3KHD and 1KHD stuff.

Or would you prefer they push firmware out before it's ready? Don't get me wrong, I'm also impatiently waiting for a firmware update for my SDS2K+, but it will be out...eventually.

[Performa01]

As an SDS2000X HD user who hasn’t received a software update for around a year, I feel shafted

More than once I've hinted on the new entry level HD instrument, which will not be the same as the SDS1000X HD sold in China so far. Now here you have it "officially". Yes, it is just an "updated" 1000X HD - depending on the pricing it might rather be that the Chinese customers of the previous 1000X HD might feel "shafted"...

What about Rigol DHO4000 users? Do they have to feel shafted because of the DHO1000? (or 900, 800?)

I've also given a preview on future firmware, so we all can know that there is progress. Yet requests keep coming in and even though many of them might look like an easy task to perform a supposedly simple change or introduce a little new feature, the ones with some insight in firmware development will know that such projects are never easy and might require a major redesign of certain parts of the software.

[TopQuark]

As an SDS2000X HD user who hasn’t received a software update for around a year, I feel shafted

This sentiment seems funny to me. Do people think Siglent has only 5 employees who can either work on firmware OR hardware?

That's silly. Besides, you should understand that Siglent builds platforms, and it's likely that the 2KHD series will benefit from the existence of the 3KHD and 1KHD stuff.

Or would you prefer they push firmware out before it's ready? Don't get me wrong, I'm also impatiently waiting for a firmware update for my SDS2K+, but it will be out...eventually.

Guys, chill out. I paid good money for a scope, just want to see some love from Siglent for the product, that's it.

It's a light jab at Siglent, don't read too much into it. I still love my 2k HD and don't regret buying it.

[pope]

What's all this new trend with "dark themes"?   

[Sighound36]

Its a wavesurfer 4000HD with a Siglent badge

[Martin72]

The ADCs are likely to be the same.
Otherwise, the Lecroy only has 25Mpts of memory, but the larger screen (12") with the higher resolution (1200x800).
It's interesting that Siglent sticks to the 1024x600 anyway.

Datasheet of the 4000HD:

https://cdn.teledynelecroy.com/files/pdf/wavesurfer-4000hd-datasheet.pdf

[2N3055]

Its a wavesurfer 4000HD with a Siglent badge

I'm not sure...

I cannot find info if SDS3000X HD is 12.1" screen. And it is 2x4GS/s not 2X5GS/s like LeCroy.
Direct mapping to WS 4000HD is mine SDS6000H12 PRO 1GHz only with 2x5GS/s. That one is different than 2GHz version.

[Blackflag]

Whoever is interested

Attached SDS1000X HD datasheet(google translate)

[2N3055]

Its a wavesurfer 4000HD with a Siglent badge

I'm not sure...

I cannot find info if SDS3000X HD is 12.1" screen. And it is 2x4GS/s not 2X5GS/s like LeCroy.
Direct mapping to WS 4000HD is mine SDS6000H12 PRO 1GHz only with 2x5GS/s. That one is different than 2GHz version.

Looking at some data, SDS3000X HD is same form factor as SDS2000X HD (10,2" screen) with active probe interface and other upgraded specs..

[Martin72]

It´s looking good, the specs..Black is...OK.
USB 3.0, 4 MPts FFT...nice.
1Ghz/750 Mhz at 1M/50Ohm.
Price...Guessing it would be under the 6000A(premium line), above the 5000X.
I want it. 

1000X HD:
Lower screen resolution and no video output, everything else is above the DHO1000 - Now.
Price could be interesting, my guess is above the 2000Xplus.

[Martin72]

As an SDS2000X HD user who hasn’t received a software update for around a year, I feel shafted

You musn´t.
New decoder function and four math channels and perhaps something else from our "wishlist" will come.
And maybe the auto-sense probe bug and a fixing for it delay the launch.....In that case I like to wait for it.

[tautech]

Whoever is interested

Attached SDS1000X HD datasheet(google translate)

Thank you.
Thread updated with latest datasheet and image.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds1000x-hd-coming/

[sebyon]

SDS1000X HD - updated
- still 12 bits
- now dark themed
- now 2Gsps
- now 500k wfm/s

Just enough to keep me holding out for the SDS1000X HD now. Not sure I enjoy the dark themed (I really like white) but the specifications push out for me over the new DHO900.

Now to be patient... 

[pope]

At least I'm not alone with this dark theme nonsense 

[Performa01]

What's all this new trend with "dark themes"?   

I'm just speculating, but maybe Siglent had to make a clear distinction from the previous SDS1000X HD. Think about the confusion in China, when you want to buy an SDS1000X HD but could not know whether it's old stock or a revised unit if there was no obvious difference. The same goes for the 2nd hand market.

Apart from that, Siglent instruments generally have a serious industrial look, so I would be unpleasantly surprised if they jump on the "cool & playful" theme for anything above the entry level.

[link521]

the dark theme looks high-quality and high-level,at least i think so,hahahahaha

[skander36]

...
1000X HD:
Lower screen resolution and no video output, everything else is above the DHO1000 - Now.
...

I don't see this "everything else".

Core system is the same:
Single ADC
2 GS/s
200 MHz
12 bit
100 Mpts
noise floor 70uV

And if the price will be double than DHO1K then ...

[2N3055]

...
1000X HD:
Lower screen resolution and no video output, everything else is above the DHO1000 - Now.
...

I don't see this "everything else".

Core system is the same:
Single ADC
2 GS/s
200 MHz
12 bit
100 Mpts
noise floor 70uV

And if the price will be double than DHO1K then ...

Superior math
Segmented and hystory mode that works
Superior measurements

If you just want to look at the vaweforms and do not need advanced analysis then by all means go with cheaper one. No need to give more money for features you dont need..

[Martin72]

Superior math
Segmented and hystory mode that works
Superior measurements

Plus:
50 Ohm inputs
Autosense inputs
Int. awg
Bodeplot
More decoder protocols
Better DC accuracy
Etc., etc.

[skander36]

...
1000X HD:
Lower screen resolution and no video output, everything else is above the DHO1000 - Now.
...

I don't see this "everything else".

Core system is the same:
Single ADC
2 GS/s
200 MHz
12 bit
100 Mpts
noise floor 70uV

And if the price will be double than DHO1K then ...

Superior math
Segmented and hystory mode that works
Superior measurements

If you just want to look at the vaweforms and do not need advanced analysis then by all means go with cheaper one. No need to give more money for features you dont need..

This doesn't mean that everything else ... It has some features (AWG, Bode) for which siglent will try to ask more money ...

[skander36]

Superior math
Segmented and hystory mode that works
Superior measurements

Plus:
50 Ohm inputs
Autosense inputs
Int. awg
Bodeplot
More decoder protocols
Better DC accuracy
Etc., etc.

As for 2N3055, this does not sound to me everything else, The core parameters are the same. Just not overestimate it. I am waiting for this scope but with this new look and upgrades this seem to me that Siglent will try to push it to a more pricey zone ...

[tautech]

And 10" display.
Webserver is superior.

[2N3055]

Superior math
Segmented and hystory mode that works
Superior measurements

Plus:
50 Ohm inputs
Autosense inputs
Int. awg
Bodeplot
More decoder protocols
Better DC accuracy
Etc., etc.

As for 2N3055, this does not sound to me everything else, The core parameters are the same. Just not overestimate it. I am waiting for this scope but with this new look and upgrades this seem to me that Siglent will try to push it to a more pricey zone ...

You asked and got your answer. It is superior in it's capabilities, having many functions that were until few years ago only in mid range scopes, some that even DHO4000 does not have (at least at the moment). As I said, if you don't need that, than you should go with simpler and cheaper scope if that one is satisfying your requirements.
I'm sure many people don't need advanced functions and will be more than happy with a simpler scope that still have decent analog performance. And is very affordable. Fantastic news for them.
Fact that advanced functions are not of use to you doesn't make simple cheaper scope equal in capabilities to one that has more capabilities.
It simply means you shouldn't get something that you will not use in full. It would be waste of money..

What the actual price of SDS1000X HD in EU market will be, I have no clue and will not speculate. Even if somebody knows, they won't say anything before Siglent authorizes release of scope and publication of the price in which case it will be published for everyone to know anyways. Same as any other manufacturer.

[skander36]

...

You asked and got your answer. It is superior in it's capabilities, having many functions that were until few years ago only in mid range scopes, some that even DHO4000 does not have (at least at the moment)....

Please read carefully what I have said. I didn't ask. I have made an observation. I am not agree with that expression " Everyithing else", because the scope is basically in the same configuration (I said why) as HDO 1K, plus some whistles, and minus others ...