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Siglent SDS6000A DSO's 500MHz-2GHz
« on: May 17, 2020, 11:46:46 am »
New range of DSO's with 500 MHz, 1 GHz and 2 GHz BW's and 12.1" 1280*800 display.
October 2021 release



Feature set.
5 GSa/s  (10 GSa/s ESR)
500 Mpts Mem depth
Vertical resolution 8-bit, up to 16-bit in Hi-Res mode
170,000 wfm/s, 750,000 wfm/s Sequence mode
8 Mpt FFT
Noise floor (rms, 50 Ω, typical value) 0.5 mV/div = 125 μV @ 1 GHz
4 independent Math waveforms
80,000 History pages
Vertical zoom
Webserver
Active probe support (LeCroy & Tek adaptors available)
16ch MSO optional
External 25 MHz AWG optional
Standard Decode: I2C, SPI, UART, CAN, LIN
Optional Decode: CAN FD, FlexRay, I2S, MIL-STD-1553B, SENT, Manchester
I/O's: USB 3.0 Host x2, USB 2.0 Host x2, USB 2.0 Device, LAN, micro SD, HDMI, TRIG OUT, PASS/FAIL

SW options
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Power Analysis
Eye diagram, Jitter analysis
BW upgrades
Additional Decodes.

Datasheet now attached.

Price indication 2GHz 4ch SDS6204A = under $10k

https://int.siglent.com/products-overview/sds6000a/
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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro 10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2020, 11:56:28 am »
They look pretty sweet but oof that cost.. starting at the low low price of 6k USD and up, a scope i will never have till a decade later lol

model   Analog bandwidth   Number of channels   Maximum real-time sampling rate   Maximum waveform capture rate   Maximum storage depth   Vertical resolution   Reference price (tax included)
SDS6104 H12 Pro   1 GHz   4 + EXT   5 GSa / s   750,000 wfm / s   250 Mpts / ch   12-bit   ¥ 192,680
SDS6054 H12 Pro   500 MHz   4 + EXT   5 GSa / s   750,000 wfm / s   250 Mpts / ch   12-bit   ¥ 159,680
SDS6034 H12 Pro   350 MHz   4 + EXT   5 GSa / s   750,000 wfm / s   250 Mpts / ch   12-bit   ¥ 121,080
SDS6104 H10 Pro   1 GHz   4 + EXT   5 GSa / s   750,000 wfm / s   250 Mpts / ch   10-bit   ¥ 89,880
SDS6054 H10 Pro   500 MHz   4 + EXT   5 GSa / s   750,000 wfm / s   250 Mpts / ch   10-bit   ¥ 68,880
SDS6034 H10 Pro   350 MHz   4 + EXT   5 GSa / s   750,000 wfm / s   250 Mpts / ch   10-bit   ¥ 48,880
 

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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2020, 01:38:46 pm »
So, finally, ZODIAC is here!
 

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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2020, 01:50:15 pm »

ETA,
edit and obsolete quote removed

Feature set.
5 GSa/s for all channels (10GSa ESR)
Single channel 500Mpts, two channel 250Mpts, 3 and 4 channels 125Mpts / channel
Vertical resolution 8-bit. No 10bit, no 12 bit models outside China.  Up to 16-bit in Hi-Res mode (software based, more bits less BW)
Up to 170,000 wfm/s  and up to 750,000 wfm/s in Sequence mode
8 Mpt FFT
4 independent Math waveforms (yes including also up to 4 simultaneous FFT)
up to 80,000 History pages
Vertical zoom
Webserver
BodePlot (max 120MHz) can use all Siglent SDG  and SAG
16ch MSO (optional) max 1GSa/s. Max 50Mpts/ch
External 25 MHz AWG (optional)
Power analysis (optional)
Eye Diagram / Jitter analysis (optional)



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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2020, 01:56:21 pm »
Interesting indeed. Is Lecroy going to stop making oscilloscopes themselves and rebadge their entire line?
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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2020, 01:56:35 pm »
 :-+ :popcorn:
 

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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2020, 02:44:17 pm »
Siglent still cannot get the wfm/s to professional levels... if they announce 170,000 it is going to be more like 20,000 or less
 

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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2020, 05:41:08 pm »
Martin72 will be a happy bunny  8)

Looks like a rehashed newer Leroy HDO4/6000A with 1/2 the sample rate.

What options  are available Mr Tautech any eye jitter apps in the offing at all


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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2020, 07:05:44 pm »
Siglent still cannot get the wfm/s to professional levels... if they announce 170,000 it is going to be more like 20,000 or less

can you explain that a bit?
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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2020, 07:07:34 pm »
How many people are working in the R&D dept at Siglent?
I don't understang how they can get out of so many different devices in such a short time.
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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2020, 07:54:42 pm »
It's not siglent per say its the price of cooperation between Lecroy and Siglent scratch my back and we will give you our first generation 12 bit tecnology hence only 5G/s I suspect this is interleaved as the 2012 Lecroy' 12 bit equipment was only 2.5G/s this will have Siglent hardware and a first gen Lecroy adc

Now if you could marry the Rigol horsepower with the Lecroy 12 bit DC and Siglent's Lecroy O.S. now that would make an interesting project.

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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2020, 08:03:27 pm »
Just noticed the price points currently Lecroy are happy to deal the Hdo6000hd 12 bit 10G/s interleaved  1Ghz and Mso spectrum view  @ 45% off retail which works out a much better deal than the new Siglent

https://teledynelecroy.com/europe/promotions/promotions.aspx


There is a 6000hd replacement due pretty soon apparently mind you the basic Keysight MSR 500Mhz starts at 18k gbp lot to think about
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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2020, 08:06:54 pm »
Siglent still cannot get the wfm/s to professional levels... if they announce 170,000 it is going to be more like 20,000 or less

can you explain that a bit?
Even KS entry level has 200,000wfm/s so 170,000 on this type of scope is way too low

But historically it is near impossible to get the published wfm/s from Siglent. I.e. i cannot get near 10,000 on the 2000x plus, it is more like 5,000.  And if you have measurement open, it pauses like every second
 

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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2020, 08:10:01 pm »
Just noticed the price points currently Lecroy are happy to deal the Hdo6000hd 12 bit 10G/s interleaved  1Ghz and Mso spectrum view  @ 45% off retail which works out a much better deal than the new Siglent

https://teledynelecroy.com/europe/promotions/promotions.aspx
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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2020, 08:37:57 pm »
Oh, finally. Unfortunately i have no insights about this one :( what's the ADC? Love the huge screen
 

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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2020, 07:51:49 am »
Probably can't afford anything like this for a long time but it certainly looks interesting.

What makes me wonder what is the deal between Siglent and Lecroy? Is Siglent allowed to reuse older Lecroy tech?
The SW of this must be still an enormous R&D effort, is it done by Siglent by on its own from scratch (risks of buggy SW) or there is some reuse there as well?
With higher sampling rate this could be a very serious tool.
Siglent can become a quite disruptive player in T&M area very soon with such rate of new equipment introduction (thinking of the not so long ago introduced SVNAs, RTSAs and now this DSO).
 

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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2020, 08:48:52 am »
It's not siglent per say its the price of cooperation between Lecroy and Siglent scratch my back and we will give you our first generation 12 bit tecnology hence only 5G/s I suspect this is interleaved as the 2012 Lecroy' 12 bit equipment was only 2.5G/s this will have Siglent hardware and a first gen Lecroy adc

Now if you could marry the Rigol horsepower with the Lecroy 12 bit DC and Siglent's Lecroy O.S. now that would make an interesting project.

Tv84 happy to purchase one for a play date if you wish  :-+

I'm not sure I understand better  ;D
Because if the price is much lower, I don't understand Lecroy's strategy.
If Siglent can mix platforms from Lecroy, with almost the same GUI/OS, Lecroy will no longer sell low/mid-range oscilloscope.
The best would be for Lecroy to buy Siglent.

But I'm not a marketer, I'm sure they know what they're doing.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2020, 08:52:15 am »
Tv84 happy to purchase one for a play date if you wish  :-+

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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2020, 09:31:48 am »
It's not siglent per say its the price of cooperation between Lecroy and Siglent scratch my back and we will give you our first generation 12 bit tecnology hence only 5G/s I suspect this is interleaved as the 2012 Lecroy' 12 bit equipment was only 2.5G/s this will have Siglent hardware and a first gen Lecroy adc

Now if you could marry the Rigol horsepower with the Lecroy 12 bit DC and Siglent's Lecroy O.S. now that would make an interesting project.

Tv84 happy to purchase one for a play date if you wish  :-+

I'm not sure I understand better  ;D
Because if the price is much lower, I don't understand Lecroy's strategy.
If Siglent can mix platforms from Lecroy, with almost the same GUI/OS, Lecroy will no longer sell low/mid-range oscilloscope.
The best would be for Lecroy to buy Siglent.

But I'm not a marketer, I'm sure they know what they're doing.

Lecroy doesn't make low/low-mid-range oscilloscope anyway.. It's not enough of profit margin..
As long as they make nice profit just reselling it's good business.

And if they do buy it, they will still keep both "premium brand" and "general population brand".. Like Lexus and Toyota..
 

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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2020, 09:51:11 am »
It's not siglent per say its the price of cooperation between Lecroy and Siglent scratch my back and we will give you our first generation 12 bit tecnology hence only 5G/s I suspect this is interleaved as the 2012 Lecroy' 12 bit equipment was only 2.5G/s this will have Siglent hardware and a first gen Lecroy adc

Now if you could marry the Rigol horsepower with the Lecroy 12 bit DC and Siglent's Lecroy O.S. now that would make an interesting project.

Tv84 happy to purchase one for a play date if you wish  :-+

I'm not sure I understand better  ;D
Because if the price is much lower, I don't understand Lecroy's strategy.
If Siglent can mix platforms from Lecroy, with almost the same GUI/OS, Lecroy will no longer sell low/mid-range oscilloscope.
The best would be for Lecroy to buy Siglent.

But I'm not a marketer, I'm sure they know what they're doing.

Lecroy doesn't make low/low-mid-range oscilloscope anyway.. It's not enough of profit margin..
As long as they make nice profit just reselling it's good business.

And if they do buy it, they will still keep both "premium brand" and "general population brand".. Like Lexus and Toyota..

Exactly but perhaps with more synergies as it is precisely the case in the automotive sector and more understandable for us buyers.
Because even if this SDS6000pro is based on an old Lecroy platform, we are still talking about 4x1Ghz 5GS/s 12bit and 250M of memory.
These characteristics are starting to be expensive at Lecroy for my little wallet.

But synergies already exist, it seems to be almost the same enclosure than WaveSurfer 4000HD and surely much more ( screen, adc, etc)

But as I said I'm not a marketer.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2020, 10:00:19 am »
I really don´t like the black "panda" look on the screen.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2020, 10:03:14 am »
Difference is actually very obvious. Both Toyota and Lexus use same platforms and engines.. It's design, trim, luxury, soundproofing, and general feel that is different.

Same here. Lecroy shines in software/analysis options.  For instance, protocols on best Siglent are still so few, only comparable with cheapest WS3000Z. Just one step up, and you get all kinds additional stuff.  Hardware can be same, but it's exclusion triggers, Wavescan, LabNotebook, tons of protocols and other advanced stuff that is differentiator here..

So it's more like, if they keep working together, that they will keep the lines separated. Or maybe they part their ways like Rigol did with their partner...

Time will tell..
 

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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2020, 10:21:40 am »
Difference is actually very obvious. Both Toyota and Lexus use same platforms and engines.. It's design, trim, luxury, soundproofing, and general feel that is different.

Same here. Lecroy shines in software/analysis options.  For instance, protocols on best Siglent are still so few, only comparable with cheapest WS3000Z. Just one step up, and you get all kinds additional stuff.  Hardware can be same, but it's exclusion triggers, Wavescan, LabNotebook, tons of protocols and other advanced stuff that is differentiator here..

So it's more like, if they keep working together, that they will keep the lines separated. Or maybe they part their ways like Rigol did with their partner...

Time will tell..

If one day Lecroy and Siglent share the same HW plateform, maybe a furious will be able to turn Lecroy apps on Siglent scope.
I wonder if this kind of person hangs out on a forum like EEVBlog ?  ;D
 

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Re: Siglent SDS6000 Pro_10 and 12 bit DSO's coming
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2020, 10:38:28 am »
If one day Lecroy and Siglent share the same HW platform, maybe a furious will be able to turn Lecroy apps on Siglent scope.
Been done years back, flashing Siglent FW onto LeCroy's and vice versa.
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