Siglent SDS6000A DSO's 500MHz-2GHz

[maxwelllls]

@maxwelllls,

For the license generator, use these SDS6000 model strings:

ZDL-HD-LP
ZDL-HD-1G


PS: there are also references to some new devices (??): NeZha and ATOM

The license generated with "ZDL-HD-1G" is correct!!!

[tv84]

So, business as usual. 

[Martin72]

Hm, I´ve expected more options...

[tv84]

Hm, I´ve expected more options...

Maybe they are still in the oven...

[Sighound36]

You maybe correct Martin 

[Sighound36]

Question for the 6000 owners either one, what is your touch screen response like?

[2N3055]

World released 8 bit version already has one very important option more : a jitter/eye analysis package...

That is why I warned previously, that, no matter how interesting that Chinese only scope is, we should concentrate on what can be bought on world market.

[tv84]

Sorry but, until now, I only saw an "out of this world" device. 

[2N3055]

Sorry but, until now, I only saw an "out of this world" device. 

Not a critique, I understand, but there might be differences and as I said already one has Jitter/eye package and other doesn't.
It is brand new, it's their midrange offering and it is not unimaginable it might develop a bit further with time, and maybe add more options. We will see.

[Martin72]

I think, offering the "waste amount" of decoding types like lecroy wr/hdo does, would be a real benefit.
And, of course, digital filter package...
And multigrid display.
And Wavescan.
And milk and honey....
The first three things would fit to an scope like this.

[luudee]

I think, offering the "waste amount" of decoding types like lecroy wr/hdo does, would be a real benefit.
And, of course, digital filter package...
And multigrid display.
And Wavescan.
And milk and honey....
The first three things would fit to an scope like this.

I think a real benefit would be if they develop some sort of interface where we can add our own
decoders. Imagine a github depository with hundreds or even thousands of protocols !!!
In the long term, it would be less work for Siglent, and a great benefit for all of their users ...

rudi

[maxwelllls]

Question for the 6000 owners either one, what is your touch screen response like?

It's pretty smooth in most scenarios, but there's a bit of a lag when turning on FFT with high storage. However, you can use the knob to set channel parameters normally while FFT is refreshed.
BTW: Except for zooming and looking at the waveform, I prefer to use the knob for the most part.

[Martin72]

LOL...

[tv84]

For those that may be able to experiment with Eye+Jitter, the option code is "EJ".

Don't know if it works...

[ozel]

if I read this thread well, only an SDS6000 PRO model was confirmed to permit option unlocking.
Could someone please confirm if unlocking still works with recent FW/OS versions of an SDS6000 A model?

Because these findings are somewhat concerning: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds5000x-oscilloscope-hack-status-dec-2021/msg3912842/#msg3912842

If unlocking wouldn't work anymore, the current WaveSurfer 4000 HD "fully loaded" promotion is very very tempting. Half the max. BW, but 12 bits and actually more functions out of the box compared to Siglent.

Btw, hello from a long time lurker - engineer in disguise of a physicist

[Sighound36]

You may have difficulty in actually finding one in stock, current lead time around 18 weeks, just been quoted the same lead time on a second wavepro 

[Martin72]

If unlocking wouldn't work anymore, the current WaveSurfer 4000 HD "fully loaded" promotion is very very tempting. Half the max. BW, but 12 bits and actually more functions out of the box compared to Siglent

Hacking an 7800€ (entry-price)scope...seriously?
Comparing the datasheets, the wavesurfer 4000 hd lost against the 6000A in nearly every case.
Bandwith, samplerate, memory, math-channels, FFT and so on.
And what the promo concerns, take it with caution.
It "says", 61% discount on the package.
On the option-package or on the package scope+options? 
To compare prices, you´ll have to take the 4054HD as it got the bandwith the entry scope of the 6000A series got.
Price for the 4054HD on distrelec for example is near on 11000€ without any options.
The 6000A 500Mhz costs nearly 7800€.

[nctnico]

12 bit versus 8 bit and the Lecroy WaveSurfer 4k series HD is a mature device. The value of the latter is something that is not to be underestimated.

[Martin72]

Siglent says thank you for your compliment.

[ozel]

To compare prices, you´ll have to take the 4054HD as it got the bandwith the entry scope of the 6000A series got.
Price for the 4054HD on distrelec for example is near on 11000€ without any options.
The 6000A 500Mhz costs nearly 7800€.

Of course, that's what I meant - the 4104HD 1GHz model is currently just under 11k EUR (excl. VAT) and includes all options! With all the equivalent, additionally purchased options the Siglent would be more expensive. While I don't need the automotive serial decode stuff, the included function generator and power analysis features are useful. With the most recent 4000 HD firmware from this month, there's even a spectrum analyzer option. But that one may not be part of the "fully loaded" promotion. And then we still haven't talked about the increased accuracy and probably lower noise floor (versus the lower BW/memory specs you mentioned). Does anyone have an RMS noise figure for the 6000A series, btw?

One reason I haven't jumped directly at the LeCroy is that I'd like to test the UI first. For some reason, LeCroy partners seem not very keen on doing business with private customers still poking them.
From work, I only know older higher-end LeCroy models and have seen here some general remarks about increased latency on the LeCroy low-end units. Is it comparable to Siglent's UI responsiveness? It's Windows CE versus Linux, right? (which may bias me unreasonably towards Siglent)

[Martin72]

And then we still haven't talked about the increased accuracy and probably lower noise floor (versus the lower BW/memory specs you mentioned). Does anyone have an RMS noise figure for the 6000A series, btw?

Hard to believe that the two will differ greatly in this respect, at the end we compare siglent vs siglent.
And they are known for their low noise frontend.
But interesting, you won´t find something in the sds6000A datasheet (or I´m too blind).

It's Windows CE versus Linux, right? (which may bias me unreasonably towards Siglent)

Yep, waversurfer models got windows CE, waverunner/hdo and above got windows 10 actually.
At work we got several old waverunner scopes and some newer ones, like an WS3024Z, WR9054, HDO6034A.
Wavesurfer always means entry-level by lecroy, with reduced features, performance, etc.

[tv84]

Taken from SDS6000 FW package. It seems the bitstreams are made by LeCroy.

The FW is the same for both 6000 versions with different file settings for 8 bits, 10 bits and 12 bits.

There is a tool "easydebug" in the FW that can be used this way:     (I wonder if this tool works in other Siglent scopes...  )

Code: [Select]

***************************USAGE*********************************
USAGE1:  %s <r|w> chip address [value]
USAGE2:  %s burst  acq|mst offset length
USAGE2:  %s burst  rgb [grid]
USAGE2:  %s load  fpga path
USAGE3:  %s mcu mcu_cmd [arg]
USAGE4:  %s version
USAGE4:  %s check  channel|board_type |
Options:
*************************USAGE 1*********************************
    r/w         Read or write device
    chip        cpld|map |mst |acq1|acq2|pll |pll2|pll3|
                adcn(n=1,2,3,...)  |dacn(n=1,2,3,...)  |
                vgan(n=1,2,3,...)  |594x(x=1,2,3,...)  |
                595 |
    address     Hex register address
    value       Hex register value
    e.g.        %s r adc1 0x1e
*************************USAGE 2*********************************
    burst       get data frome acq/mst by length from offset site
                get screenshot, save as .bmp to /usr/bin/siglent
    load        Load fpga bin file
    fpga        all|acq1|map|mst|awg
    path        fpga bin file path
    e.g.        %s load map /usr/bin/siglent/config/fpga/LeCroyZD.bin
*************************USAGE 3*********************************
    mcu         mcu operation
    mcu_cmd     version |setduty  |update |getduty   |
                gettemp |getprobus|getid  |getprotype|
    arg         (setduty)fanduty  |(update)binfile
    e.g.        %s mcu version
*************************USAGE 4*********************************
    version     get easydebug version
    check       get borad information
    e.g.        %s check board_type
By looking at the upgrade script, we can see that the model is determined by a byte extracted from a CPLD:

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get_product(){
    ver=$(easydebug r cpld 1e | grep "Read" | awk -F '0x' '{print $3}' | awk '{print strtonum("0x"$0)}')
    # 0x1e >= 0xc0 => plus
    if [ $ver -ge 192 ]; then
        echo "zodiac_plus"
    elif [ $ver -ge 128 ]; then
        echo "zodiac"
    else
        echo "low_profile"
    fi 
}


[2N3055]

Taken from SDS6000 FW package. It seems the bitstreams are made by LeCroy.

Is that a bad thing? 

For a while it is obvious that SDS6000 <-> HD4000 is a collaboration platform.
Also that bitstream name might also just mean that part is common on both scopes, and that Siglent made it for both...

[Martin72]

For a while it is obvious that SDS6000 <-> HD4000 is a collaboration platform.

Where the 12 bit 6000 got the nose in front, because of it´s higher memory.
This become more important, the more resolution you got.

[egonotto]

Where the 12 bit 6000 got the nose in front, because of it´s higher memory.
This become more important, the more resolution you got.

Hello,

why need more resolution more memory? (The bitcount of a sample is greater, but why are more samples needed?)

Best regards
egonotto