Siglent SDS7000A 3, 4 and 6 GHz 12 bit DSO's

[tautech]

some system infos pictures and options,  not sure  if we could get most of them on purchase package ?   

Most options are free as part of an introduction promotional package until mid 2024
https://siglentna.com/news-article/siglent-sds7000a-introduction-promotion/
https://www.siglenteu.com/news-article/siglent-sds7000a-introduction-promotion/
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-78.html

[Martin72]

some system infos pictures and options

Lots of options, much to my delight.
Including some that only lecroy usually has and that we need.
I think I'll have to talk to our purchasing department.

[coromonadalix]

loll       done  that  loll    still waiting for an quote answer

I'm impressed, still lot to discover,  still have to master the "unified 4 channels controls"  witch is not my forte 
Controls are fast and responsive to say the least.

But  another thing:
When you request the "auto setup",  you get an yes or no  popup asking if you still want to do it  ??   witch break a little bit,  the purpose of the auto setup ?? 
Unless it could be risky for the input stages ??  That should be removed  loll ... trying to see if it's an selectable / removable option  ??

Because the small SDS1204...    dont have this nag

[tautech]

But  another thing:
When you request the "auto setup",  you get an yes or no  popup asking if you still want to do it ??   witch break a little bit,  the purpose of the auto setup ?? 
Unless it could be risky for the input stages ??  That should be removed  loll ... trying to see if it's an selectable / removable option  ??

Because the small SDS1204...    dont have this nag

Good feature instead of just applying Autoset when you press it by mistake and it then changes all your scope settings. 
However if this has an Undo (and it should) no harm is done.

[KungFuJosh]

I also hate the autoset confirmation. The confirmation should be optional in the settings.

[hpw]

some system infos pictures and options,  not sure  if we could get most of them on purchase package ?   

Most options are free as part of an introduction promotional package until mid 2024
https://siglentna.com/news-article/siglent-sds7000a-introduction-promotion/
https://www.siglenteu.com/news-article/siglent-sds7000a-introduction-promotion/
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-78.html

Would be a value, if the the Jitter-Kit is included with missing Jit-Kit specification as the Scope Jitter specification.

My 2 cents, otherwise 20K$ 

Hp

[tautech]

some system infos pictures and options,  not sure  if we could get most of them on purchase package ?   

Most options are free as part of an introduction promotional package until mid 2024
https://siglentna.com/news-article/siglent-sds7000a-introduction-promotion/
https://www.siglenteu.com/news-article/siglent-sds7000a-introduction-promotion/
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-78.html

Would be a value, if the the Jitter-Kit is included with missing Jit-Kit specification as the Scope Jitter specification.

P12
https://int.siglent.com/u_file/download/23_12_27/SDS7000A_Datasheet_EN01B.pdf

[hpw]

some system infos pictures and options,  not sure  if we could get most of them on purchase package ?   

Most options are free as part of an introduction promotional package until mid 2024
https://siglentna.com/news-article/siglent-sds7000a-introduction-promotion/
https://www.siglenteu.com/news-article/siglent-sds7000a-introduction-promotion/
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-78.html

Would be a value, if the the Jitter-Kit is included with missing Jit-Kit specification as the Scope Jitter specification.

P12
https://int.siglent.com/u_file/download/23_12_27/SDS7000A_Datasheet_EN01B.pdf

Well, as SDA7000A may looks like a bargain, with unknown performing figures, but how it compares to a WaveMaster 8000HD: Starting from $270,000 

[coromonadalix]

sadly  since there is calibration sticker / void,    i can not open the unit     they are on screw i did not saw on my 1st attempt  loll      near the foot

[tautech]

New firmware for SDS7000A models.

Version： V1.1.5.1
270 MB
https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SDS7000A_V1.1.5.1_EN.zip

Release notes
1. Cursor: Supported more cursors, and more flexible cursor combination
2. Fixed several bugs

Includes the previous version changes/fixes:
Supported new probes: Siglent’s SCP5030, SCP5030A, SCP5150, SCP5500
Measure: Optimized UX of Track and Trend; Supported to export measure data
Fixed several bugs
Slow response after pressing Math button
AWG: SCPI cannot set Load
Some bugs of USB2.0 compliance test
Some bugs of 100Base-TX and 1000Base-T compliance test
Some bugs on Options’ unlock

[ddrl46]

Is there any news about the higher bandwidth versions of the SDS7000A being released outside of China?

[tautech]

Is there any news about the higher bandwidth versions of the SDS7000A being released outside of China?

Zip.....not that I've asked yet.

I'll try to get a programme.

[tautech]

Is there any news about the higher bandwidth versions of the SDS7000A being released outside of China?

Zip.....not that I've asked yet.

I'll try to get a programme.

Nothing definitive, aiming for Q4 is the word.

[tautech]

Finally after a very recent visit to Siglent HQ we were able to spend a little time with a SDS7404A. 

It's a big scope and reasonably quiet and boots quite fast, no doubt due to its PC based architecture.
The unit I played with was of unknown to me FW which allowed several configurations of the display providing up to 9 windows however as only one window in the attached image was configured to display traces .... but you get the idea.

[Martin72]

It's such a shame that it's so far away from me in terms of price.
Ever since I first experienced it 20 years ago, I've found multi-grid (windows) displays brilliant.
I was all the more “disappointed” when I realized that even today this technology can only be found in expensive scopes.
I thought that if it already existed in Lecroy scopes from the 1990s, then it must not be a problem to implement it almost everywhere today.
If you consider that the Lecroy 93XX scopes had a 16 bit 68000 CPU and a few kB RAM...
But no.
Too bad.

[points2]

Hi Martin72,
I've got only a few years experience in electronics (a old diploma in engineering is somewhere  )
Thus, far from your "20years"...

Question :
with your experience, you're still looking at RT-scope vs >10GHz scopes ?
could you please explain, given that you have a sampling scope at 3kEur (see topic in this forum)... that outperforms these beasts ?

Disclaimer : Siglent SDS7000A is a high-end product, at "nice price", like MXO4s

Just an idea : for any hobbyist that is looking for "more BW" at "nice price" : a sampling scope is a gift...

[Martin72]

At home I have what I can afford and then I want the ‘best’ for the money.
And that's what I have.
I certainly don't ‘need’ the SDS7000A, but if I could afford it, I would still buy it.
Because as I said, the best for the money...
Privately, I hardly do anything that requires a high bandwidth, so I could be happy with the SDS3000X HD.
As an old man, I just wish I had a bigger display.

At work we now have projects that require a higher bandwidth, so a 2.5Ghz Lecroy WavePro HD is now on the way.
I would have liked to buy a 7000A for us, but was in the minority, so now a lower bandwidth scope at twice the price.

[tautech]

The SDS7000A range has been updated with a new 6 GHz model, OP updated to reflect this.

Datasheet:
https://int.siglent.com/u_file/download/24_11_12/SDS7000A_Datasheet_EN02A.pdf

[skander36]

Isn't available also an 8 GHz model?

[tautech]

Isn't available also an 8 GHz model?

Only to the east as yet.
I have no further info if or when the 8 GHz model might be available to the west.

[egonotto]

Hello,

at Batronix there is the 6 GHz
Siglent SDS7604A H12 for € 42471.10


Best regards
egonotto

[tautech]

7000A owners
Joe would like to see 4 windows with channel on each, as below:

SDS7000A allows for up to 9 windows of waveforms to be displayed.

I would like to see anyone who has access to one of these, please turn on all four channels.  Now display each channel on it's own unique graph.  It sounds like from Tautechs couple of posts, they support this, like my LeCroy DSOs.   However, reading the users manual for the Siglent, it appears this is not supported.   That would be a major miss if the Siglent restricts what can be displayed in these windows.   

I am expecting it to work something like I show with the LeCroy in that video.  Turn on all the traces, select the number of windows and the scope will automatically bring them up.

Images on the US website show 2 channels in use with Math operations on both displayed in 4 windows.
https://siglentna.com/digital-oscilloscopes/sds7000a-digital-storage-oscilloscope/

I grabbed a screenshot from one when at HQ last year:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds7000a-dsos-coming/msg5605511/#msg5605511

Pretty much what the manual suggests but not what I want to see.   Just show me a simple time domain for each trace in four separate windows.    It looks like it can't do this which would be hard to believe.

Also for kicks, set the 7000 with 2 channels with a 0.5ms/div roll mode, zoom set to 10ms, 1MS/s and 5MS.  Can you even set the zoom below 100ms??

[matia100]

Hey Joe,

it runs

Roll Mode

Siglent says "It only operates at timebase values of 100 ms/div and above. If you would like to stop the display in Roll mode, click Acquire > Run/Stop . To clear the display and restart an acquisition in Roll mode, perform Acquire > Run/Stop again.
Note: Zoom is only supported after Stop in Roll mode."

[tautech]

SDS7000A discussion from here:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/help-on-finding-an-oscilloscope-that-can-display-zoomed-traces-when-rolling/msg5824169/#msg5824169

[joeqsmith]

Hey Joe,

it runs
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Roll Mode
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Siglent says "It only operates at timebase values of 100 ms/div and above. If you would like to stop the display in Roll mode, click Acquire > Run/Stop . To clear the display and restart an acquisition in Roll mode, perform Acquire > Run/Stop again.
Note: Zoom is only supported after Stop in Roll mode."

First, big thanks for proving that test case for me.   Am I the only one who finds it a bit strange that my 18 year old LeCroy could handle 10ms in that apples to apples case I demo'ed for Tautech, where the 3000 was limited to 50ms, and the $40,000 7000 is limited to 100ms? 

I was surprised how they pack all the waveforms onto one graph in time domain and require you to use the mouse to drag them.  Then to get them in separate unique graphs for each channel, you end up wasting half the screen.   Just seems crazy to me that their high end instruments don't seem more polished.   If I were spending $40k on a DSO, it would have to hit the ground running.  Not based a promise of better things to come.    Again, just me.   

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I should be clear that when spending $5000 for a scope, my expectations are going to be much lower than a scope costing 8X that amount.