Siglent SDS7000A 3 and 4 GHz 12 bit DSO's

[Sighound36]

Ethernet 1000base etc/DDR/TDR and the dual Spectrum II app is a nice as well SMPS testing with the DL-ISO Probe, FPGA' rail noise plus some emc immumity testing. The Waverunner HD is actually great for audio and power supply testing 200Mhz is really all you need for that.

I'm up for doing a back to back on the bigger BW Siglent 7000, haven't had a scope shoot out in a while, trying to accquire one of the new R&S 12 bits units. Though a few of the chaps I know with them have reported a few bugs that need ironing out shall we say, but are complimentry other wise

We have been that busy I haven't even unboxed the new  Wavepro HD yet, will rectify that this weekend 

[Martin72]

Hi,

Pushing this thread...
Is there any news about the progress of the SDS7000A ?
I am very curious about the targeted prices for it.
We had paid close to 14000€ in 2019 for a Lecroy HDO6034A (intel i5 cpu, 16GB DDR4 RAM, Windows 10), 12 bit native resolution and decoder/analyzer options....

[tautech]

Hi,

Pushing this thread...
Is there any news about the progress of the SDS7000A ?
I am very curious about the targeted prices for it.
We had paid close to 14000€ in 2019 for a Lecroy HDO6034A (intel i5 cpu, 16GB DDR4 RAM, Windows 10), 12 bit native resolution and decoder/analyzer options....

Means nothing unless we know the model CPU. 

Looking up the one stated to be used in SDS7000A gives a CPU Benchmark of 6162.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i3-8100+%40+3.60GHz&id=3103

[Martin72]

Means nothing unless we know the model CPU.

Rob....Seriously ?
The minimum configuration in lecroy pc-based scopes is a i5 4 core cpu with 3.2Ghz, except the hdo4000 series which got the lower i3 class onboard.
Btw, it is interesting that siglent is using a 6 year old cpu in their current scope under development - chances are that this cpu will be obsolete before the scope is released.
But if they have bought enough of them...
Either way, it will definitely be a "pro" scope, at "pro" prices.

[tautech]

Means nothing unless we know the model CPU.

Rob....Seriously ?
The minimum configuration in lecroy pc-based scopes is a i5 4 core cpu with 3.2Ghz, except the hdo4000 series which got the lower i3 class onboard.

This ^ you did not say however it means little unless we know the exact model CPU used so we can benchmark it. 

I run i3, i5 and i7 CPU's in benchtops that unless they are heavily loaded you cannot spot the differences in performance as they all boot W10 from a SSD. The best benchmark of which is a i7 in a tiny mini PC, a ASROCK Jupiter however it runs M.2 SSD, faster than any SATA memory.

I suspect a modern DSO design running a multiple core CPU is unlikely to suffer much in they way of performance hits running any of the above CPU's. IMO reliability, CPU heat generated and fan noise is of greater concern.

I look forward to seeing the developers choice of HW in action.

[tautech]

Shahriar has a quick peek at this model at IEEE Microwave Symposium 2023.
https://youtu.be/JmB1Exhz1HQ?t=1375

[Martin72]

I'm really curious to see how much it will end up costing.
I came to Siglent "back then" because I wanted to have good quality at an affordable price - and I can't afford a Lecroy.
For me it was a stroke of luck with the SDS touchscreen scopes, they do not have to hide, in total I consider them the best in their respective price range.
To date though, none of them come close to a lecroy PC based scope.
Which is not tragic, because they cost quite a bit more.
If Siglent then calls up the same prices as a Lecroy would cost, then there must already be weighty advantages that one then does not take the "original".
And I don't even mean the bandwidth.
As I said, I am curious.

[Martin72]

Backside of the beast, taken from the manual:

https://www.siglent.com/upload_file/document/SDS7000A_UserManual_CN01A.pdf

At least three fans...

[KungFuJosh]

Well, that's clearly PC based. Check out the connections panel...

[Sighound36]

I will be testing one out Vs one of the Wavepro HD's we have so I report back on that in the not to distant future.

The Wavepro HD also have three deep fans inside the unit.

Cost wise my feelings are starting about £15-£17k

[Martin72]

For the H10 Version I could believe this.
For the H12 Version......12 Bit and still (?) 20GSa/s, I think it will start with a "2" as the first number.

[tautech]

Release is just some 2 weeks away......
Only 3 and 4 GHz models will be available to the west.

Specs:

[Martin72]

12 Bit and 20GSa/s...This is a beast.
Any guesses about the "entry-price" ? 
My guess: 15k€ minimum without VAT.

[tautech]

12 Bit and 20GSa/s...This is a beast.
Any guesses about the "entry-price" ? 
My guess: 15k€ minimum without VAT.

Sighound36 was closer....for the 12 bit 3 GHz model....let's say a little under $20k. 
We don't have to wait long now.

[Martin72]

let's say a little under $20k.

Yepp, makes more sense.
I'll never be able to afford it, but I'm pleased for siglent that they can offer something like this.
No one can say anymore that they are not one of the "A-brands".

[tautech]

let's say a little under $20k.

Yepp, makes more sense.
I'll never be able to afford it, but I'm pleased for siglent that they can offer something like this.
No one can say anymore that they are not one of the "A-brands".

12 bit, new Siglent acquisition system, 1M WFPS and 1 GB mem option is a lot to deliver at cheaper pricing.

[2N3055]

let's say a little under $20k.

Yepp, makes more sense.
I'll never be able to afford it, but I'm pleased for siglent that they can offer something like this.
No one can say anymore that they are not one of the "A-brands".

12 bit, new Siglent acquisition system, 1M WFPS and 1 GB mem option is a lot to deliver at cheaper pricing.

That is not even the biggest thing. Take a look at ever expanding suite of Analysis and Compliance test packages. That is what so far was exclusive to big brands.  High end scopes are not only about big BW. It is about analysis packages and capability.
And there is the big leap happening..

[tautech]

Yes, I picked all options out yesterday from new pricelist:

SDS7000A-FG
SDS7000A-16LA
SDS7000A-PA
SDS7000A-EJ                   Eye Diagram/Jitter analysis
SDS7000A- I2S
SDS7000A-1553B
SDS7000A- FlexRay
SDS7000A-CANFD
SDS7000A-SENT
SDS7000A-ARINC
SDS7000A-Manch
SDS7000A-USB2
SDS7000A-CT-USB2              USB Compliance test
SDS7000A-CT-100Base-T           100Base-TX compliance test
SDS7000A-CT-1000Base-T
SDS7000A-CT-100Base-T1
SDS7000A-CT-1000Base-T1
SDS7000A-1GPTS                1 Gpts mem depth

[Martin72]

Except the memdepth, this is appx on lecroy-level, nice.

[luudee]

@Rob,

do you know if SDS7000A-1GPTS  is a SW only upgrade, or includes HW as well ?

Thank you !

Best Regards,
rudi

[tautech]

do you know if SDS7000A-1GPTS  is a SW only upgrade, or includes HW as well ?

SW option. Not cheap. 

[tautech]

OP updated with English datasheet and better image.

[Martin72]

I noticed it earlier on the Batronix site by complete coincidence:
So you don't see anything when you go to the page with the Siglent products, but if you happen to stop with the mouse pointer and a dropdown tab opens....

[tautech]

Yes, SDS7000A is product #71:
https://int.siglent.com/download/firmwares/?ProId=71

[tautech]

Released today and links added to the OP.