Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's

[Furna]

@eTobey: you already setup your client PC as an NTP server ... consider the idea to set it up as an SMB server (just enable File Sharing feature of Windows).

I dont see any reason for me why i should do this.

Uhm let me think ... because you cannot save "mask tests screenshots in the internal storage?" 

It will probably only lead to finding more issues, even on the PC side...

I do not undertsnad what you mean ...

And if the PC is off, then i would have 2 places where files would be stored, that would only create a uneccessary hassle.

I tought an "NTP server" should be available when the scope boots up and you PC is your NTP server ... also if you care about your data you should have a second media where to backup your files.
Consider an USB stick for the scope and a backup on the PC then.

[eTobey]

USB keyboard on the scope:
Are there any hotkeys working? Or just characters? Cant find informations about that.

[eTobey]

Regarding your 1. Quote:
If it can not store on internal memory, then i strongly suspect, that it would not work in any other way.

Regarding your 2. Quote:
Then try again. 

Regarding your 3. Quote:
It was a general shortcoming that i pointed out about your suggestion. But you are right, i will probably rarely use the scope without a PC or internet connection.
I have a backup, but thanks reminding me, that i have to create a backup plan ;-)

[antiquant]

Thank you for your support! No, screen button "Dots" is clearly visible on the touchscreen in the Display menu. I've noticed that whenever I tap on it a message pops up:  "Mode cannot be switched when in Search" while screen menu button "vector" still has blue colour and was active. Then I wondered what is the "Search"? Finally I've found the Search function being active in the Analysis menu and turn it off. After that the Dots mode screen button became operational. Interesting though that now I can turn on that Search mode and then still can switch between vectors and dots. Magic. I think tautech is right that I should update the FW.
Happy New Year!

[eTobey]

Interesting though that now I can turn on that Search mode and then still can switch between vectors and dots.

There are much more of such interesting things to be discovered. 

[2N3055]

Interesting though that now I can turn on that Search mode and then still can switch between vectors and dots.

There are much more of such interesting things to be discovered. 

Especially if you invent alternate realities ..

[Furna]

Interesting though that now I can turn on that Search mode and then still can switch between vectors and dots.

There are much more of such interesting things to be discovered. 

Especially if you invent alternate realities ..

Current is alternate
eTobey's reality is alternative
 

[2N3055]

Interesting though that now I can turn on that Search mode and then still can switch between vectors and dots.

There are much more of such interesting things to be discovered. 

Especially if you invent alternate realities ..

Current is alternate
eTobey's reality is alternative
 

Would you consider working part time as my spell checker/editor ??
 
Thanks!

[Conrad Hoffman]

Question for the hive mind before I put too much effort into research- Say one had an SDS824X HD and SDG2082X, plus a USB cable and a resistor. Is it possible to display the turn-on characteristics of a diode? It seems like there are a couple paths to doing it, the simple way just using a ramp from the generator just like you might with an analog scope, but since the waveform generator can do DC and sync with the scope, there would also seem to be some way to program the levels and display a stepped result.

Thinking further, with two arb generators and booster amps, a full feature transistor curve tracer seems possible without a lot of effort.

Thoughts?

[mawyatt]

Question for the hive mind before I put too much effort into research- Say one had an SDS824X HD and SDG2082X, plus a USB cable and a resistor. Is it possible to display the turn-on characteristics of a diode? It seems like there are a couple paths to doing it, the simple way just using a ramp from the generator just like you might with an analog scope, but since the waveform generator can do DC and sync with the scope, there would also seem to be some way to program the levels and display a stepped result.

Thinking further, with two arb generators and booster amps, a full feature transistor curve tracer seems possible without a lot of effort.

Thoughts?

See:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fooln-around-with-dso-awg/

Best

[Conrad Hoffman]

Amazing, thanks! And I always forget the gen has two outputs; mired in the past I guess.

[mawyatt]

These are quite versatile instruments indeed!! Here's another link you might find interesting.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/dso-awg-based-curve-tracer/

We are well seasoned also, and found these instruments enlightening, and just plane fun to play around with!! We have a repaired/refurbished old Tek 577 that we've created some custom DUT fixtures for, so no real need for a DSO based Curve Tracer, however our efforts were more out of curiosity rather than need

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/old-tek-577-return-to-life-story/

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/smd-test-fixture-for-the-tektronix-576-curve-tracer/msg4553639/#msg4553639

BTW we try and utilize the value and features of these instruments rather than find fault with every little detail, most often fault is with other side of the screen 

This eventually leads one into a spiral of never getting anything useful done and constant complaining without any "value added" or learning

Best

[Conrad Hoffman]

I have a Tek 575 curve tracer with the 122c high voltage option. It works quite well for its age so I'm not apt to do anything different other than just for the fun of setting it up. There are a couple DC coupled hifi amps that would pair well with the arb generator. I'm thinking in particular the Crown DC300A that I've got. That would drive most power devices to their limits and beyond.

Another trick I'm working on is a small passive doubler for the generator output. I got the 80 MHz unit because it seemed the sweet spot price-wise. I have other RF generators, but I often want to check the ends of an FM dial, 88 and 108 MHz. Here's the really cool thing. With a doubler that's 44 and 54 MHz, so you can go from one to the other by flipping a single digit with the knob. One click back and forth. With my big HP 8640B it's a lot of cranking to do the same thing!

[tautech]

........
BTW we try and utilize the value and features of these instruments rather than find fault with every little detail, most often fault is with other side of the screen 

This eventually leads one into a spiral of never getting anything useful done and constant complaining without any "value added" or learning

This I can relate to, in the last couple months resisting the urge to raise a hand for new products to again become part of the beta tester team....it's a big commitment not to be taken lightly so when one already has many irons in the fire it's wiser to do what you already need to and do it well.

[ebastler]

Would you consider working part time as my spell checker/editor ??
 
Thanks!

Just claim that you are firmly rooted in American English and you'll be alright with "alternate reality". 

[mawyatt]

This I can relate to, in the last couple months resisting the urge to raise a hand for new products to again become part of the beta tester team....it's a big commitment not to be taken lightly so when one already has many irons in the fire it's wiser to do what you already need to and do it well.

Yeah, beta testing a new product can be tiresome indeed, but a necessary effort!!

Our reference was more with the generally well thought of and utilized products that some just seem to 'bitch' about every little detail and to no useful content on here!! Criticism is one thing, and some of this is necessary to hone the newly released product (assuming the OEM listens and acts!), but the constant nit-picking gets old quick, and often turns out the problem is the user's lack of understanding and knowledge

Of course this never gets admitted by the 'user' who often just moves on to another nit-picking fiasco and the cycle repeats

Happy New Year,

Best
   

[Martin72]

but the constant nit-picking gets old quick, and often turns out the problem is the user's lack of understanding and knowledge

Wise words 

[mawyatt]

.....There are a couple DC coupled hifi amps that would pair well with the arb generator. I'm thinking in particular the Crown DC300A that I've got. That would drive most power devices to their limits and beyond.....

Those HiFi amps should work well, for higher voltage we developed this custom AWD Buffer Amp.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hv-buffer-amp-for-awg/

For higher current, the Junket DAP-1698 also works well.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/awg-buffer-amp/

or these.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/cheap-diy-high-powervoltage-awg-buffer-amp/

Best

[Bad_Driver]

Question for the hive mind before I put too much effort into research- Say one had an SDS824X HD and SDG2082X, plus a USB cable and a resistor. Is it possible to display the turn-on characteristics of a diode? It seems like there are a couple paths to doing it, the simple way just using a ramp from the generator just like you might with an analog scope, but since the waveform generator can do DC and sync with the scope, there would also seem to be some way to program the levels and display a stepped result.

Thinking further, with two arb generators and booster amps, a full feature transistor curve tracer seems possible without a lot of effort.

Thoughts?

For diode tests watch this video on W2AEW’s channel:
https://youtu.be/SBqLOrlA7QI

It is one of the best channels around!

[eTobey]

Just tested the keyboard on the scope... I found no hotkeys, which is a bit of a shame. Not even F-keys have a function...

[Conrad Hoffman]

For diode tests watch this video on W2AEW’s channel:
https://youtu.be/SBqLOrlA7QI

It is one of the best channels around!

Great video. Also timely, as I just downsized my boat anchor collection and one of the things I got rid of was my reverse recovery time plug-in for my 500 series scopes. Thanks!

[Bad_Driver]

For diode tests watch this video on W2AEW’s channel:
https://youtu.be/SBqLOrlA7QI

It is one of the best channels around!

Great video. Also timely, as I just downsized my boat anchor collection and one of the things I got rid of was my reverse recovery time plug-in for my 500 series scopes. Thanks!

With the Siglent SDG you can use an easier setup. Use wave combine (ch1+ch2) and invert ch2, so you can easy set different amplitudes for the positive and negative pulse.

[eTobey]

I have 4 reference traces. I wanted to save them to file. The save of all channels failed (no other channels have captured data). Tried to save them one by one: Oh, you cant save those. But wait, there are some binary files that i might be able to convert (fileconverter tool). The tool failed ("Failed to malloc memory").

I was already quite annoyed, by the fact, that references do not scale with timebase, but i know that i cant have everything. But with the above, i tried to circumvent this shortcoming. But i was yet again dissapointed. 

I might sound ridicoulus, but it feels a bit like taking pictures of a CRT scope.

[Conrad Hoffman]

A familiarization question really- What does the 12-bits cover? IOW, how much of that is beyond the screen upper and lower boundaries? What's the expected number of vertical steps over just the screen?

[2N3055]

A familiarization question really- What does the 12-bits cover? IOW, how much of that is beyond the screen upper and lower boundaries? What's the expected number of vertical steps over just the screen?

That is easy to establish.
There are measurements Max and Min.
If you enable them and set scope to clip input signal, it will show max measured value.

For instance, at 1V/div, (±4V on screen) it will show +4,258...V Max, and -4,26...V Min.
So roughly, you have a quarter of a DIV above and below the top and bottom edges of the screen.

So if you single shot a 8.4Vpp signal at 1V/div, and change to 2V/div, you will see full signal.

Over that, it will clip.