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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1900 on: January 09, 2025, 11:46:19 am »
We need 12-bit LCDs!
In certain situations (see my volt step shootout), you will then see signals, which are actually not real. At least für the SDS800X HD...
Gibbs Ears ?

It depends. Would Gibbs Ears extend to tens of milliseconds? Other scopes can do better... in orders of magnitude...
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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1901 on: January 09, 2025, 11:53:39 am »
I was reading the in-scope help and stumbled across the VNA section, though it's not available in the SDS800X HD. Just curious, is it "just" software, or is different hardware required?
Not in the beta FW I'm using so must be a mistake that's been righted in the FW to come.
I really do hope, that there are no other bigger mistakes... Or at least the main focus is on fixing bugs and not introducing more features.
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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1902 on: January 15, 2025, 01:35:45 pm »
How do the SDS1000X-E in ERES 8+3bit mode, compare to the SDS800X HD ? I know the memory depth can get reduced by 10x on the X-E to do 11bit, and the BW goes down. On my SDS2204X+, using 10-bit mode drops the BW to 100MHz.

So did I read correctly, that the 800X HD is not really a hardware 12-bit system ? But it still does the 12-bit out to the full BW ? I also didn't see any ERES setting in the manual yet, so can it push it past the effective 12-bit ?

I should watch a few comparison video's w/ the 1000X-E. But I'm forgetting feature-wise, the 1000X-HD is probably the 1000X-E successor, but I can't afford that much.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1903 on: January 15, 2025, 02:18:40 pm »
How do the SDS1000X-E in ERES 8+3bit mode, compare to the SDS800X HD ? I know the memory depth can get reduced by 10x on the X-E to do 11bit, and the BW goes down. On my SDS2204X+, using 10-bit mode drops the BW to 100MHz.

So did I read correctly, that the 800X HD is not really a hardware 12-bit system ? But it still does the 12-bit out to the full BW ? I also didn't see any ERES setting in the manual yet, so can it push it past the effective 12-bit ?

I should watch a few comparison video's w/ the 1000X-E. But I'm forgetting feature-wise, the 1000X-HD is probably the 1000X-E successor, but I can't afford that much.

You read incorrectly.
Don't get information from bad sources.

All Siglent SDS xxxx XHD models use real 12 bit converters. Full BW.
On SDS800xHD ERES is available as MATH. That will filter out some higher frequencies and therefore decrease noise.

SDS1000xHD is similar to SDS800xHD.

Direct successor to SDS1000x-E is SDS800xHD.
If you have existing digital pod for 1000X-E it can be used with 800xHD after FW update

1000xHD is a step up to a bigger screen, 50Ω inputs and some other details.
But when used with 1MΩ inputs 800xHD should be very similar in use, 10" screen put aside.
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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1904 on: January 15, 2025, 03:12:45 pm »
Ok, and the 824X HD has up to 2GSa/s, 100Mpts, higher wfm/s, than on the my 1204X-E w/ only 1GSa/s, and 14Mpts mem depth. Yeah so those are nice upgrades.

I want to get 1, but I don't want to sell my old 1, but I don't want it to waste away on the shelf either. So IDK.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1905 on: January 15, 2025, 03:20:38 pm »
Ok, and the 824X HD has up to 2GSa/s, 100Mpts, higher wfm/s, than on the my 1204X-E w/ only 1GSa/s, and 14Mpts mem depth. Yeah so those are nice upgrades.

I want to get 1, but I don't want to sell my old 1, but I don't want it to waste away on the shelf either. So IDK.

I was in the exact same boat.  Had an 1104X-E upgraded.  Bought an 804X HD and upgraded that.  I'm liking the 800X better to be sure if only for mouse support and axis labels, lol.  I'm debating selling the 1104X-E as well.  I think I will...
 

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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1906 on: January 15, 2025, 03:23:43 pm »
I want to get 1, but I don't want to sell my old 1, but I don't want it to waste away on the shelf either. So IDK.

How about: (a) Use both scopes, or (b) give the old one away to a worthy cause, e.g. a maker space, school, keen student with limited budget.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1907 on: January 15, 2025, 03:30:22 pm »
How about: (a) Use both scopes, or (b) give the old one away to a worthy cause, e.g. a maker space, school, keen student with limited budget.

Giving it away is also something I'm considering.  I just gave a Rigol DP932-E to my son's high school.  The science teacher was very happy to get it, she had nothing like that in the lab.  In return she's offered me a Tektronix 475A.  Man, I'm doomed to lack of bench space.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1908 on: January 15, 2025, 04:56:00 pm »
I want to get 1, but I don't want to sell my old 1, but I don't want it to waste away on the shelf either. So IDK.

Sell the sds1104x-e and buy a sds804x hd. It's just the same, but better, and sds1104x-e can still be sold for very interesting prices.
That's what i did, and i'm pretty happy !
 

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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1909 on: January 15, 2025, 06:40:56 pm »
Ok, and the 824X HD has up to 2GSa/s, 100Mpts, higher wfm/s, than on the my 1204X-E w/ only 1GSa/s, and 14Mpts mem depth. Yeah so those are nice upgrades.

I want to get 1, but I don't want to sell my old 1, but I don't want it to waste away on the shelf either. So IDK.
Not exactly, 4ch X-E used 2x 1GSa/s ADC's each with 14 Mpts of mem depth.

There's not a great HW advantage in SDS800X HD but the UI is next level professional and has many of the same features as Siglent's top end DSO's.

After spending just 1hr with SDS814X HD a year ago I knew we should stock up big time on them for the just $10 more they were back then.
X-E vs 800X HD = no contest !
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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1910 on: January 15, 2025, 09:00:38 pm »
I want to get 1, but I don't want to sell my old 1, but I don't want it to waste away on the shelf either.

I've often considered sacrificing one of my (old, non-R&S) hobbyist scopes to make a live video demonstration of why floating a scope is a bad / dangerous idea.  If it keeps just one person from frying a scope they care about, or themselves, then it would be worth it :)
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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1911 on: January 15, 2025, 09:21:20 pm »
I've often considered sacrificing one of my (old, non-R&S) hobbyist scopes to make a live video demonstration of why floating a scope is a bad / dangerous idea.  If it keeps just one person from frying a scope they care about, or themselves, then it would be worth it :)

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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1912 on: January 15, 2025, 10:10:24 pm »
Killing an oscilloscope should be forbidden by every country's law!
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Indeed !  But note that he doesn't seem ready to kill a R&S ;D
 

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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1913 on: January 19, 2025, 03:22:07 pm »
Can anyone explain me this particular definition of "trigger"?

If the "trigger" is held off for 50ms, i calculate a maximum trigger frequency of 20Hz.

The signal is a burst of pulses every 500ms, that triggered fine (once) on every burst.
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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1914 on: January 19, 2025, 04:20:28 pm »
Can anyone explain me this particular definition of "trigger"?

If the "trigger" is held off for 50ms, i calculate a maximum trigger frequency of 20Hz..

The "trigger signal", which is what the counter registers, occurs upon every edge crossing. The trigger holdoff suppresses a response to the trigger signal by the acquisition system (i.e. starting a new sweep). 
 

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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1915 on: January 19, 2025, 05:56:24 pm »
I've often considered sacrificing one of my (old, non-R&S) hobbyist scopes to make a live video demonstration of why floating a scope is a bad / dangerous idea.  If it keeps just one person from frying a scope they care about, or themselves, then it would be worth it :)

Killing an oscilloscope should be forbidden by every country's law!
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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1916 on: January 19, 2025, 06:12:06 pm »
A "trigger signal", which is what the counter registers, occurs upon every edge crossing. The trigger holdoff suppresses a response to the trigger signal by the acquisition system (i.e. starting a new sweep).
FTFY  ;D ( Please dont be mad  :D )

Its all about terminology... And i think most confusion and arguments arise from that. But Keysight comes to the rescue: https://www.keysight.com/used/us/en/knowledge/glossary/oscilloscopes/what-is-a-trigger-event-in-electronics

It might look stupid to correct others, and might even drive them mad, but is actually important for proper discussions. I guess i was way off with my understanding of the term "trigger signal".  ::)

More terms:
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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's (Real question)
« Reply #1917 on: January 21, 2025, 05:59:49 pm »
I think I know the answer since it wants a square grid, but is there anyway to expand the display when in x-y mode?

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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's (Real question)
« Reply #1918 on: January 21, 2025, 11:56:33 pm »
I think I know the answer since it wants a square grid, but is there anyway to expand the display when in x-y mode?

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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1919 on: January 21, 2025, 11:58:11 pm »
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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1920 on: January 22, 2025, 12:02:33 am »
:palm:
That's what this forum is for; sharing knowledge.....

If you're to be playing with XY mode, this thread may be of interest and particularly the settings used to get such good XY results from a DSO:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/oscilloscope-music-on-dsos-post-your-results/
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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1921 on: January 22, 2025, 03:36:57 pm »
Hi all !
New user here.

I tried to read as much as I can here and there, but:

Is  Siglent SDS800X HD stable / mostly bug free for normal use (not advanced high freq usage) ?
Would you still recommend that over the Rigol DHO900 series ?

Looking for my first oscilloscope, basic electronics, arduino and ESP32, I2C, CAN... kind of things. (I did electronics studies and know how to use an oscilloscope, just looking to buy my first one).

Thanks for your advices. Don't need mean answers or trolls. SDS800XHD  is almost half the price of DHO900 right now in Canada... but I don't want to make the wrong choice.
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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1922 on: January 22, 2025, 03:45:20 pm »
Thanks for your advices. Don't need mean answers or trolls. SDS800XHD  is almost half the price of DHO900 right now in Canada... but I don't want to make the wrong choice.
thx !

Welcome to the site

Even among Rigol fans the DHO900 is not considered very good.

The SDS800X HD is generally good / stable, but it's still a newer scope so it's not perfect. Siglent has a great track record of listening to users and getting bugs fixed. Check out the review / demonstration thread for the SDS800X HD, it's a very capable scope.
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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1923 on: January 22, 2025, 06:50:31 pm »
I do not know how you can wrong with the Siglent.  It is unlikely I will ever use it to its capacity, but it is intuitive and there is a ton of support here.

The fact it does make advance work possible does not mean it is harder to use.  I think it would be perfect for your needs.
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Re: Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's
« Reply #1924 on: January 22, 2025, 09:17:06 pm »
Agree. I bought an SDS824X HD for work and liked it so much I bought one for home. Depending on what you're doing, you might be perfectly happy with one of the less expensive 800 models, but they're all a bargain. You can also hack one to a higher level, but I try to just buy what I need. You can also pair it up with an SDG2000X and have a pretty complete test bench. I recently got rid of all my old boat anchor analog scopes and several signal generators and now rely on the much more flexible/powerful two Siglent pieces. There are a couple people here that seem to take great pleasure in finding every bug and potential fault with things, but these units are very solid in day to day use. I've yet to notice any bugs that have had any effect on me, save for the lack of a real time clock. Not a bug, simply a feature the scope doesn't have. Of course, over the last 50 years none of my analog scopes had a real time clock, so not a big deal. Go Team Siglent!
 
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