Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's

[2N3055]

Auto and Default button should have confirmation, if you ask me...

Or at least not be right next to each other - can't count the number of times I accidently hit "Preset" when I meant to hit "Autoset" 

Go to Keysight or R&S and demand features... We have Paul here from R&S and he can explain how it works. If manufacturer can make some changes they will gladly do it, if possible (technically) and if it is appropriate to the device class and if it fits in their long term strategy.

There is a lot that goes into deciding what features we add to our instruments.  Some planned features may not be available at launch but are added early on in the product life cycle.  Some features are added at customer request or to address a competitive situation.  Some features are added but at additional cost (license), especially for newer technologies that didn't exist when the product was launched or for technologies that represent a significant engineering expense. 

One thing that we don't typically do is (radically) change the GUI or user interface unless absolutely necessary.  For every customer who wants you to change something, there is another customer who likes things just the way they are.

There is also the issue of test automation - changing the way things are done in a GUI sometimes also necessitates changing the underlying SCPI commands, and that is a big no-no for customers who make heavy use of automation.

So yeah, it's a complex situation.  That said, we always welcome comments, feedback, suggestions, etc. from all of our customers, including hobbyists.  Yes, the feedback from large customers tends to carry more weight, but some of our best feature enhancements have come from "average" customers.  I have had the "every-single-customer-I-meet-with-wants-this-feature" conversation more times than I can remember

Paul,

great of you to chime in...

Yes, even a single customer suggestions sometimes go in and become part of toolset. If it is a great suggestion that enhances the instrument and is technically viable.
That is why I said manufacturers like feedback, but you need to explain it, make your case...

Best,

Siniša

[electronics hobbyist]

Can the confirmation for Auto Setup be turned off (disabled)?

My old HP scope does not do this.

It really does hold me up having to go back and press Continue.

At present, you can execute it by pressing the "Auto Setup" physical button twice.
The Wanted Features list have added whether a second confirmation is required.

Removing confirmations on functions that reconfigure many settings on a scope you just took 10 minutes to setup is bad idea in my opinion.

"This operation will format your drive C:. Do you want to continue?" Definitely good to have confirmation sometimes.  Auto and Default button should have confirmation, if you ask me...

So using a compromise solution and adding a menu setting, if the user sets it without confirmation, it is the customer's responsibility.Factory default requires confirmation.
It is recommended that everyone get used to the current solution. Pressing the physical buttons twice doesn't make much difference.

[2N3055]

Can the confirmation for Auto Setup be turned off (disabled)?

My old HP scope does not do this.

It really does hold me up having to go back and press Continue.

At present, you can execute it by pressing the "Auto Setup" physical button twice.
The Wanted Features list have added whether a second confirmation is required.

Removing confirmations on functions that reconfigure many settings on a scope you just took 10 minutes to setup is bad idea in my opinion.

"This operation will format your drive C:. Do you want to continue?" Definitely good to have confirmation sometimes.  Auto and Default button should have confirmation, if you ask me...

So using a compromise solution and adding a menu setting, if the user sets it without confirmation, it is the customer's responsibility.
It is recommended that everyone get used to the current solution. Pressing the physical buttons twice doesn't make much difference.

Yes I agree that making it user configurable option is good solution, as long as factory default is to ask for confirmation..

[Anthocyanina]

could anyone who owns this scope play this song through it?



i would like to see how it looks on a proper 12 bit oscilloscope

i recorded the song as seen on the AD2



thank you!

[Performa01]

I'm curious to see whether these "low cost" instruments start penetrating the academic market in the United States.  Most universities seem to either still buy instruments from the "major" manufacturers, or they have their students buy their own "personal" all-in-one instruments such as the Digilent Analog Discovery.  Are any universities in the United States buying Siglents, etc. instruments in bulk for their labs? 

I’m an engineer and not a marketing person, so I can’t answer that.

Yet I once had a peek at the most noteworthy Siglent customers in the US. I counted 7 colleges and 69 universities, including some really famous ones. That was in 2018. Siglent’s offers have massively gained attractivity since then (e.g. SDS800X HD vs. SDS1202X-E), so I suppose this brand would be even more popular in the US educational market nowadays.

Even if this was not the case, the Chinese educational market is way bigger anyway.

[rf-loop]

I'm curious to see whether these "low cost" instruments start penetrating the academic market in the United States.  Most universities seem to either still buy instruments from the "major" manufacturers, or they have their students buy their own "personal" all-in-one instruments such as the Digilent Analog Discovery.  Are any universities in the United States buying Siglents, etc. instruments in bulk for their labs? 

List of Siglent some customers who use Siglent instruments. There is also some US universities.
List is published in Siglent (HQ) web sides 2024


It is also good to remember that the product is not just something inside the delivery box. The whole product is much more, especially when going mainstream away from the narrow small hobbyist market. The development of all aspects related to this is a really "the long march", which has only just begun.


ETA: Some client corporations operate in many industry segments

[switchabl]

The development of all aspects related to this is a really "the long march", which has only just begun.

That is a very weird comparison. A bit like if a UK company said "it's our Dunkirk really".

[rf-loop]

The development of all aspects related to this is a really "the long march", which has only just begun.

That is a very weird comparison. A bit like if a UK company said "it's our Dunkirk really".

Fortunately or unfortunately, we may have a slightly different culture and history than yours, and with that the statements are also interpreted in different ways.
 
Long marches are, at least for us here, an effort aimed at good results, challenging, difficult and require ability, perseverance and determination.

[Mortymore]

A XY plot tryout: a BC547B curve tracing

[Antonio90]

The development of all aspects related to this is a really "the long march", which has only just begun.

That is a very weird comparison. A bit like if a UK company said "it's our Dunkirk really".

Indeed. I guess the intended meaning was something like: " Siglent is a very good brand, offers very good products which compete favourably both in price and features with "A" brands, thanks to sustained hard work.
It also has good market penetration already, both in corporate and educational environments".
But yeah, that doesn't sound quite so theatrical or grandiose.
Edit: sorry, and also "we will keep on it and things will be even better."

[pdenisowski]

The development of all aspects related to this is a really "the long march", which has only just begun.

That is a very weird comparison. A bit like if a UK company said "it's our Dunkirk really".

Long March (长征) is also the name of China's main launch vehicle - they put their first satellite into orbit in 1970 using the first generation "Long March" rocket and they're up to version 11 (LM11) as of today.  So maybe a somewhat appropriate metaphor

[Antonio90]

The development of all aspects related to this is a really "the long march", which has only just begun.

That is a very weird comparison. A bit like if a UK company said "it's our Dunkirk really".

Long March (长征) is also the name of China's main launch vehicle - they put their first satellite into orbit in 1970 using the first generation "Long March" rocket and they're up to version 11 (LM11) as of today.  So maybe a somewhat appropriate metaphor

I doubt that was the focus. And quoting a key event of the bloodiest political party in history, from one of the bloodiest wars in history to answer your question about educational use of Siglent gear seems quite out of place.
But yeah, whatever.

[KungFuJosh]

I doubt that was the focus. And quoting a key event of the bloodiest political party in history, from one of the bloodiest wars in history to answer your question about educational use of Siglent gear seems quite out of place.
But yeah, whatever.

Let's not get political here. I'm American, our history is ugly. So is Spain's, so is the rest of the world.

[Antonio90]

I doubt that was the focus. And quoting a key event of the bloodiest political party in history, from one of the bloodiest wars in history to answer your question about educational use of Siglent gear seems quite out of place.
But yeah, whatever.

Let's not get political here. I'm American, our history is ugly. So is Spain's, so is the rest of the world.

Yes. That's why I don't quote bloody, ugly, political war stuff to answer simple questions, and neither do you AFAIK. But yeah, I'll stop at that.

[KungFuJosh]

Yes. That's why I don't quote bloody, ugly, political war stuff to answer simple questions, and neither do you AFAIK. But yeah, I'll stop at that.

If I was going to, it would be in the form of a clip from "History of the World Part 1." Mel Brooks is more my style. 😉

[eTobey]

Your posts are slightly offtopic...

[Muttley Snickers]

Just a heads up for those in Australia interested in acquiring these new Siglent SDS800X HD Series Oscilloscopes.   

Appvision have now listed them on their website with pricing and rumour has it they will arrive around the 1st of May, so another 4 weeks or so of reading about other peoples experiences with the new SDS800X HD series.    

https://appvision.com.au/index.php?id_category=167&controller=category&order=product.price.asc

[BillyO]

Just a heads up for those in Australia interested in acquiring these new Siglent SDS800X HD Series Oscilloscopes.   

Good lord, how do you folks afford anything?  Why are the prices so high?  I got my SDS804X-HD here in the original land of inflated prices, Canada, for $615 in your dollar including shipping and you poor sots have to pay $737 before shipping?!  Something is wrong.  Do you have a oscilloscope industry to protect?

[tautech]

Just a heads up for those in Australia interested in acquiring these new Siglent SDS800X HD Series Oscilloscopes.   

Good lord, how do you folks afford anything?  Why are the prices so high?  I got my SDS804X-HD here in the original land of inflated prices, Canada, for $615 in your dollar including shipping and you poor sots have to pay $737 before shipping?!  Something is wrong.  Do you have a oscilloscope industry to protect?

Nah, it's our miserable USD cross rate Bill and the NZD is even worse ! 

We'll be ~$850 NZ plus taxes and shipping for SDS814X HD.
SDS804X HD ~ $735 NZD +

[BillyO]

Wow!

[tautech]

Wow!

At least here import tariffs are 0% as there is no local industry to protect.

However we do see US prices are a little higher than ours in order to recover tariff imposed on stuff from China which is hilarious as the US manufacturing shipped offshore empowered China to compete against US made products.

Give with one hand and take with the other.......

[BillyO]

At least here import tariffs are 0% as there is no local industry to protect.

Same here in Canada.  No electronics industry to speak of so no tariffs on electronic equipment (for use in electronics) or components. 

[BillyO]

I'm curious to see whether these "low cost" instruments start penetrating the academic market in the United States.  Most universities seem to either still buy instruments from the "major" manufacturers, or they have their students buy their own "personal" all-in-one instruments such as the Digilent Analog Discovery.  Are any universities in the United States buying Siglents, etc. instruments in bulk for their labs? 

List of Siglent some customers who use Siglent instruments. There is also some US universities.
List is published in Siglent (HQ) web sides 2024


It is also good to remember that the product is not just something inside the delivery box. The whole product is much more, especially when going mainstream away from the narrow small hobbyist market. The development of all aspects related to this is a really "the long march", which has only just begun.

Broadcom and Microchip are in there twice.  They must really love Siglent equipment!

GE too!

[Martin72]

And Toyota...
But it doesn't matter, I notice from our customers when they come to the factory acceptance test that fewer and fewer are surprised by siglent equipment, because it's becoming better known.
I had played around with the demo board a little earlier, no this time not the one from batronix, the STB-3 from siglent.
It has a decoder, noisy pwm and, something the batronix board doesn't have, an "SPO" signal, which is used to demo the super phosphor technology.
@tautech:
I can't decode the I²C signal correctly with the 800X HD either, making it the 6th scope that can't do it - any feedback from siglent yet ?

[radiohomebrewer2000]

Martin72,
Have you tried I2C sources other than the demo boards?  My only experience with I2C is using various LCD displays with i2c payload, Si5351A chips, and rotary encoders with a Arduino Nano clone microcontroller to control it all.

Could the issue be with the demo boards?

Just trying to eliminate all possibilities here.

- Daniel