Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's

[Antonio90]

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In my opinion/experience when describing products "features" i prefer to use "feature" for a "property or attribute", opposite to what Marketing does.
Sometimes word "capability/es" or "function/s" is better used.

Best,

Unsurprisingly, when trying to explain the nuanced meaning of something, you reverted to words stemming from Latin, which is one of the best technical languages. Formal Latin was technical, first and foremost. Sadly, I don't know German at all.
Maybe Sanskrit would have been as good.

My greatest problem with English, by far, is the verb "to be". It can refer to an essential feature attribute of a being, something that cannot be modified without fundamentally changing the being. It can also refer to a transitory, contingent or superficial state the being is currently in. The next step would be to use the same word for "yes" and "no".
But yeah, English is a quite good conversational language, not very good for science or rigorous speech.

On the flip side, it makes english technical writings much easier for those of us which speak languages stemming from Latin, as half the words are actually Latin and not English.

[pdenisowski]

Sometimes word "capability/es" or "function/s" is better used.

That's how I would interpret the word "feature" in the context of the "SDS800X HD wanted features" thread: It's about suggestions for additional functionality.

Yeah, in that case I think "Funktionen" is definitely much more appropriate than "Merkmale"

words stemming from Latin, which is one of the best technical languages.

Or better yet: "Charakteristikum / Charakteristika"

Back in the 1980s I used to get scolded for using too many "foreign words" (Fremdwörter) in my German.  Now I get scolded for avoiding "Anglizismen" 

Edit:  after I posted I remembered that "Charaketeristikum" is actually ancient Greek (χαρακτηριστικός‎) via Latin. 

[pdenisowski]

My greatest problem with English, by far, is the verb "to be". It can refer to an essential feature attribute of a being, something that cannot be modified without fundamentally changing the being. It can also refer to a transitory, contingent or superficial state the being is currently in.

It's harder the other way around (deciding as an English speaker when to use "ser" versus "estar")

[eTobey]

I am glad that my input cleared things up.

When i ask specific questions i usually want to clear things up, but often people just get annoyed by it. (I once did this in a company, asking why someone did push a button... oh boy he got mad.)

[Antonio90]

My greatest problem with English, by far, is the verb "to be". It can refer to an essential feature attribute of a being, something that cannot be modified without fundamentally changing the being. It can also refer to a transitory, contingent or superficial state the being is currently in.

It's harder the other way around (deciding as an English speaker when to use "ser" versus "estar")

It certainly is and, to be fair, context clears things up nicely in normal speech, most of the time.
But there are also a lot of arguments in which I find myself having the exact same word for two opposite concepts, and I honestly find it baffling.

[tv84]

English is actually very bad language for engineering. As someone that was exposed to both English and, to some extent, German technical literature, German language is much easier to be precise.

My friend, we're in total disagreement in that one. IMHO english is a perfect language for engineering. The use you make of it is the cause of the misunderstandings. BTW, I wouldn't call the "feature" thing an engineering term.

And I'm one of those that can easily distinguish "ser" from "estar".

[BillyO]

English is actually very bad language for engineering. As someone that was exposed to both English and, to some extent, German technical literature, German language is much easier to be precise.

I might not go that far.  You can use precise wording in English, but because words take on many meanings and there are so many words with similar meanings it allows people to be lazy.  From my perspective it is easy to be imprecise in English.  Sometimes not only easy, but easier.

To me, when talking about the attributes of an subject, object, process, etc.. the word "feature" has always meant "attribute of special merit or interest in a positive sense".  Kind of an antonym to "quirk" meaning "attribute of special merit or interest in a negative sense"

[ebastler]

Is it me, or are we drifting ever-so-slightly off topic? 

[tv84]

Is it me, or are we drifting ever-so-slightly off topic? 

Sure we are. Probably all "features" of the SDS800X HD have been discussed and, as such, we moved on.   

[BillyO]

Drift is indeed an expected quirk of long discussions.

The best feature of the SDS800X HD is that I just got word that, with any luck, I'll have mine for the weekend!   

[Antonio90]

Is it me, or are we drifting ever-so-slightly off topic? 

A few PPMs indeed, but I think we remain within spec. I blame it on the seasonal changes temperature variations. 

Drift is indeed a expected quirk of long discussions.

The best feature of the SDS800X HD is that I just go word that, with any luck, I'll have mine for the weekend!   

With a bit of luck I'll get mine too. Next week otherwise.

[radiohomebrewer2000]

The best feature of the SDS800X HD is that I just go word that, with any luck, I'll have mine for the weekend!   

I think you will like your new scope.  It was definitely a step up for me going from an old HP 54600 100 MHz 2-channel digital scope to a Siglent SDS814X HD.  And if/when I need it, I can *cough* upgrade *cough* to 200 MHz.  And I only got the 100MHz model because all the cheaper models sold out quickly...    I am glad I waited for the SDS800X HD to be sold in the west instead of getting the SDS1104X-E or SDS1204X-E.

[eTobey]

The best feature of the SDS800X HD is that I just go word that, with any luck, I'll have mine for the weekend!   

I guess you are then "featuring" it in one of your videos pretty soon huh? 

[BillyO]

I think you will like your new scope.  It was definitely a step up for me going from an old HP 54600 100 MHz 2-channel digital scope to a Siglent SDS814X HD.  And if/when I need it, I can *cough* upgrade *cough* to 200 MHz.  And I only got the 100MHz model because all the cheaper models sold out quickly...    I am glad I waited for the SDS800X HD to be sold in the west instead of getting the SDS1104X-E or SDS1204X-E.

It will be replacing my SDS1104X-E, which BTW is a fantastic scope.  The main reason is the 12-bits so I hope there are not too may quirks with it as there are practically none with the SDS1104X-E.

[BillyO]

I guess you are then "featuring" it in one of your videos pretty soon huh? 

That might just happen.

[Martin72]

Imho, this is a feature. For now. Whether it can be optimized / improved somehow,  remains to be seen. Of course it is nice if there is way to do it so that is works independently.

At least in my case, this feature has never made it difficult to use the machines for their intended purpose as a tool. I classify it mostly as a cosmetic "disadvantage" for now.

I see it the same way with a 500€ scope like the 800.
However, with one for €4000, it would be nice if this cosmetic slip-up was fixed.

[eTobey]

However, with one for €4000, it would be nice if this cosmetic slip-up was fixed.

You may want to step it up, and get a better one. You cant expect everything from a 4000€ scope.

[KungFuJosh]

You may want to step it up, and get a better one. You cant expect everything from a 4000€ scope.

100%. He should send me the SDS3000XHD and get himself the SDS7000A. 🤔

[rf-loop]

Imho, this is a feature. For now. Whether it can be optimized / improved somehow,  remains to be seen. Of course it is nice if there is way to do it so that is works independently.

At least in my case, this feature has never made it difficult to use the machines for their intended purpose as a tool. I classify it mostly as a cosmetic "disadvantage" for now.

I see it the same way with a 500€ scope like the 800.

However, with one for €4000, it would be nice if this cosmetic slip-up was fixed.

Many things are nice to have. 

(What kind of signal measurement and analysis does that fact prevent or even make difficult?
And yes, also I like  IF  this "feature" can improve but only IF it is possible in such a way that the mouse response is not slowed down in any function from the current response speed, in fact there are functions where it perhaps should be further accelerated, i.e. the mouse response..)


Well yes bottom model aound 4k  but ... SDS3104X HD (750MHz model (partially 1GHz)).
Consumer prices:
€ 7,116.20 incl. 19% VAT
€ 7,415.20 incl. 24% VAT
€ 7,594.60 incl. 27% VAT

[ebastler]

What kind of signal measurement and analysis does that fact prevent or even make difficult?

None. But as mentioned before, and even more valid for an "upper midrange" scope costing up to 7000€:

Agreed, the slow-down does not really limit the scope's functionality. But the slow-down of the update rate is a little irritating every time I experience it. It just feels "wrong" to see the core data processing affected by what should be an entirely separate and transparent user interaction. It makes me feel that either the hardware just barely makes ends meet, or the firmware is not well-engineered in this respect. Either way, it does not instill confidence in the instrument.

[BRZ.tech]

Is it me, or are we drifting ever-so-slightly off topic? 

Sure we are. Probably all "features" of the SDS800X HD have been discussed and, as such, we moved on.   

Hi,
Something interesting about the SDS800x HD is that the Time Base is in the time domain is separate from the Frequency Domain Time Base (FFT). This is only seen in the top models of class "A" manufacturers. Siglent has "arrived there"...
This is very interesting for the analysis of low amplitude RF signals.
I have verified, through articles and images, that the SDS1204X the two time bases are linked. To "see" the FFT, you need to multiply the time base in time domain by 1000, to be able to see the well-defined FTT ranges. In the SDS800X HD, it is separate. Including numerically marking the FFT peaks, and being able to edit which ones should appear in the "Peak Table" is exceptional.

If anyone can, please clarify whether other models od Siglent above the SDS800X HD have this possibility of having separate time bases.

correction, check msgs #1326, 1329, 1330

[markone]

Imho, this is a feature. For now. Whether it can be optimized / improved somehow,  remains to be seen. Of course it is nice if there is way to do it so that is works independently.

At least in my case, this feature has never made it difficult to use the machines for their intended purpose as a tool. I classify it mostly as a cosmetic "disadvantage" for now.

I see it the same way with a 500€ scope like the 800.
However, with one for €4000, it would be nice if this cosmetic slip-up was fixed.

I do not agree, IMHO the effort to fix this so called "feature" is less than what it has already been spent talking about it, unless you want to convince me that nowadays managing a mouse pointer on a screen is necessary to disrupt the process chain in a GHz MCU ...

[radiohomebrewer2000]

I guess you are then "featuring" it in one of your videos pretty soon huh? 

That might just happen.

Looking forward to watching some videos from BillyO using his new scope...

By now, I would have hoped to have seen a bunch of Siglent SDS800X HD series videos on YouTube from others, but I do not.

I did upload a YouTube video, but the model # is not in the title so it does not show in the search. This is OK because the video was not about the scope - I was using it to measure a signal.

[tautech]

I guess you are then "featuring" it in one of your videos pretty soon huh? 

That might just happen.

Looking forward to watching some videos from BillyO using his new scope...

By now, I would have hoped to have seen a bunch of Siglent SDS800X HD series videos on YouTube from others, but I do not.

I did upload a YouTube video, but the model # is not in the title so it does not show in the search. This is OK because the video was not about the scope - I was using it to measure a signal.

See the OP in this thread for the vid Defpom did of mine prior to worldwide release.

[Martin72]

Something else that also applies to the SDS800X HD:
I never needed it, so I never noticed it.
But yesterday evening I wanted to reset the SDS3034X HD to the default state.
Where would you find this function in the menu?
I would have expected to find it in the utility menu, but that's not the case.
The function can be found (for both scopes) in the acquire menu....
That seems illogical to me, I have to say.
If I see an item “Default” in the acquire menu, I would think that I can use it to set the acquisition to default and not the whole scope.
That's why I would have expected this function in the utility menu.