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Siglent SDS800X - SCPI via USB ?

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mawyatt:
We don't have any product affiliation other than owning ($ from our pocket) mostly Siglent gear. Over our long career we've probably utilized more TE than most, and thus have some background, and select the best valued instrument for our needs.

Also we generally don't bash or comment on things we don't have direct experience with, and since we have mostly Siglent gear by careful choice, we comment most on such. You can check our posts and how we complemented Rigol on their new 12 bit DHO814 DSO, or same for GS Instek GPP-4323, or Korad KWR103, all low end TE in same markets as Siglent. Also, you will find that were not that impressed with the Siglent SDM3065 as stated such.

Honestly wish Rigol and others would have more knowledgeable folks commenting here, we have Paul from R&S but Keysight's Dan bailed out awhile back, so it seems that the Siglent folks here dominate the valuable discussions, especially wrt DSO/MSO with a few that have a Siglent alliance!

However, the astute reader will quickly recognize such and can apply the valuable knowledge base to other brands  :-+

Best,

2N3055:

--- Quote from: ebastler on June 05, 2024, 02:50:40 pm ---
--- Quote from: mawyatt on June 05, 2024, 02:34:22 pm ---Not in that society but guess from your perspective from Technical Kindergarten it might appear so :-+

--- End quote ---

I think you are a worthy candidate for membership.  ::)

Look, it's a reality unfortunately. We have this tightly knit group of very knowledgeable people, who can be very helpful indeed, but also have a tendency to fiercely defend "their" brand. Voicing a balanced opinion which acknowledges the strength of the products, but also points out some weaknesses (which may be more relevant to some, less to others) can be very difficult indeed in face of that group. It's "If you are not with us, you are against us"...

And the fact that those people profusely thank each other for every post that restates their pro-Siglent opinions does get under my skin at times.

--- End quote ---

Hehe,

so here is the frustration.. Kudos for saying that. It needs a grown up man to say it openly. Good start.

But what makes you so sure that what you consider "balanced opinion" is really balanced? There must be some self reflection involved in that process. Which you are capable of, looking into statement above.

One thing that I repeated many times is that I try to strike REALISTIC opinions.
On several occasions I advised that some efforts from users to go into some details should be abandoned because they are waste of time. And explained why.
Which was  immediately attacked as censorship, "fanboy defense" etc...

While that was done for their benefit.
I just wanted people not waste their time on something that is realistically not going to happen.
No, car manufacturer won't put all the fancy equipment and sports leather seat in their cheapest car.
Especially after you bought a product.
You simply have to pay more and get more upscale model if you want major upgrades.
Yes they might refresh multimedia system with new software, enhance algorithm how car shifts gears making it smoother and spend 3% less fuel. They might even enhance program in ECU to get few HP more  on engine. Stuff like that. But don't expect them to rip the engine out and interior and all equipment and replace them with ones from upscale model on you next oil change and for free...

I'm talking about wild fantasies of our ecstatic friend here that wants literally everything changed on scope to suit what he thinks is right. Without properly learning to use the damn thing in a first place. He literally is not qualified to make judgements what is right or wrong with the instrument he doesn't know how to use. I'm talking basic knowledge here, like Nyquist. OR what is the Time Base. Or endless talk about all kinds of stupid little details.
Bugs are bugs and should be fixed. I personally reported more bugs over the years than all you critics combined. To Siglent but also to Keysight, Rigol, Picoscope etc....

But some are just using this as a personal "look at me!!" show. They are not doing it to fix anything but to attract attention. Otherwise they would open a ticket with Siglent. Remember those? The uncool, not egotistic, non public, non "look at me!!" way of actually reporting bugs to manufacturer to ask for a fix. These should be first line of defence. And only when you get rudely ignored or denied your rights you go public. Why Keysight, R&S or any other manufacturer deserves that, except Siglent? Is that from the lack of respect? General rudeness? Which is my reason for calling certain person rude and abrasive.

See , THAT is my trigger... Because it is not what you claim that reveals who you are and what your intentions are  , but what you do is real truth...

And there comes you, with obvious soft spot for "the underdog" (yes I can easily spot one, I am also like that), and then decide that obnoxious, rude and abrasive egotistical maniac that screams for attention is that one that is "gang attacked" and needs protection..
It is quite the opposite direction. He is the one that is abusing us all here. Did you really "eat up" his fake apology?
Look at his behaviour since that apology. He is equally rude and abrasive as before, he still creates millions of unnecessary topics and posts. He is still uncapable of creating normal bug report, but starts always with "This unbelievable bug will frustrate you to no end" post and separate topic for that single thing, that ends up being most of the time him not RTFM. And sometimes  after you, me and two others argue with him (repeating same old like 100 times before) how we don't even understand what is he talking about, eventually we manage to squeeze some info that actually points to a real problem.
But his SNR is right now literally 25-30dB..  And in meantime he offends me, and you and few other people.

Yes all of that is because I'm Siglent shill. Not.

KungFuJosh:

--- Quote from: ebastler on June 05, 2024, 03:32:01 pm ---In contrast, I struggle to find posts from the Siglent supporters which ackwnowledge product weaknesses. Issues are too often denied flat out ("PEBKAC", "RTFM" etc.), or their significance is down-played when they get confirmed.

--- End quote ---

Those are the keywords right there. There are plenty of posts with users (including myself) discussion issues with Siglent scopes. I've complained about the previous screenshot bug a million times (which was corrected in the recently released and then unreleased firmware for the sds2k+ update that they should have released by now - oh shit, did I just complain about Siglent???).

No offense to the other user you referenced, but a lot of what he complains about really is PEBKAC errors. He incorrectly connects a scope to an AWG and then is surprised by them functioning oddly, as any more experienced user would expect given the poor setup. No device works better than the way it's setup. However, that's not the big issue with him. The bigger issue was that he got exceptionally defensive and insulting to any member that asked him to clarify his setup, or tried to understand the situation better. It got to the point where he himself felt the need to post a thread apologizing for his toxic behavior...which he still continued after posting that thread. Granted, he did get a little better over time, but it's very frustrating for other members to get attacked when actually trying to help. That's not a Siglent fanboy club thing, that's a be kind to people thing, or they don't tend to respond kindly.

ETA: Essentially what 2N3055 said, but he said it better. 😉

ebastler:
Thank you for taking the time for a comprehensive reponse, 2N3055. Much appreciated.

Yes, there may be a component of "siding with the underdog" at times -- after feeling like the odd one out myself in some earlier Siglent discussions, up against that closely knit group of Siglent defenders. I agree with your criticism of many aspects of eTobey's early bug reports, and have asked him for more detail and diligence and for a more measured approach more than once. But again, I also think that he has found an impressive number of real issues in a short time, and has not gotten credit for that.

If you re-read his (fewer) posts from the last couple of weeks, you may find that he has toned down his approach and become more factual. In parallel, I feel like your reactions to him have become louder recently, to be honest. Which I can understand -- having just decribed in the prior posts how repeated exposure to certain behaviours has probably made me more irritable too...

You mentioned "submitting a ticket to Siglent" as an alternative. I think that it is a good approach to first validate a potential issue by asking others in the forum about it. But if one wanted to submit a ticket directly to Siglent, how would one go about it? A ticket system accessible to a closed group of beta testers only was mentioned here once -- is there another one which is available to the general public?

coromonadalix:
well getting back into the main subject


to the OP witch seems to be silent :    to use a wi-fi dongle,  it is an option to be enabled in some scope models  $$$  or free   loll

and thru USB      you have the big Keysight visa package / I/O librairies

OR    the RS Visa package  ....  light and do the job perfectly with all the Siglents connected to my computer

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