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Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« on: November 13, 2020, 01:58:27 pm »
Hi,folks.
My friend has a MSOX4154A.
The scope has a NAND corruption problem.
When I upload nk.nb0 file to RAM,it will stop at about 75.4%.
I get nk.nb0 from 4000XSeries.04.08.2016071801.agx.
I think that maybe I should use an older version firmware.
Does anyone has 4000X V3.X firmware,for example 4000XSeries03.22.2014052101.agx or older?
Can you send it to me?
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Re: Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2020, 02:07:05 pm »
Another question:
How can I load FPGA4000A.bin file to NAND flash at P500 prompt?
 

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Re: Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2020, 05:50:43 pm »
Won't Keysight repair these, even beyond the warranty in some cases?
The later firmware is supposed to fix the issue.
 

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Re: Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2020, 05:59:00 pm »
There certainly was a service note about warranty extension for NAND issue.
 

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Re: Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2020, 11:33:12 pm »
The scope is out of guarantee.We want to repair it self,and learn more about 4000X.
 

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Re: Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2020, 06:35:47 am »
The scope is out of guarantee.We want to repair it self,and learn more about 4000X.
Is it that hard to understand "warranty extension"? It means repair is done for free even when scope is out of warranty. I don't know what's exactly in that service note since it's Keysight internal document but there were people who got 3000 and 4000 series scopes with NAND corruption and expired warranty repaired for free. And it was a main board replacement. In any case I suggest contacting Keysight first since chances of repairing it yourself with this issue are very slim.
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Re: Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2020, 09:02:13 am »
I've seen the service note for the 2000 and 3000x series models but have never seen one for the 4000x.
NAND corruption is pretty easy to fix on the 2000x and 3000x series but I've never had the chance to try it with the 4000 series.
The error message displayed via serial console is also different then you see with a 2000 or 3000 so this may not be NAND corruption, it more looks like someone erased the flash.
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Re: Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2020, 09:15:34 am »
I've seen the service note for the 2000 and 3000x series models but have never seen one for the 4000x.
https://community.keysight.com/thread/36596
Reply from Keysight employee:
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The repair of the symptom you describe is covered by Keysight.  Please contact Keysight's technical support center at 1 800 829-4444 and reference Service Note MSOX4034A-03.
 

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Re: Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2020, 11:13:16 am »
The scope is out of guarantee.We want to repair it self,and learn more about 4000X.
Is it that hard to understand "warranty extension"? It means repair is done for free even when scope is out of warranty. I don't know what's exactly in that service note since it's Keysight internal document but there were people who got 3000 and 4000 series scopes with NAND corruption and expired warranty repaired for free. And it was a main board replacement. In any case I suggest contacting Keysight first since chances of repairing it yourself with this issue are very slim.
But the scope of my friend is teared down privately.
 

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Re: Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2020, 04:00:27 pm »
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I use 4000X firmware V3.12 to extract nk.nb0 file and to make usb boot file,let the 4154A scope go into infiniivision GUI.
But the scope displays with some bug.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2020, 04:05:57 pm by wp_wp »
 

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Re: Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2020, 04:11:59 pm »
 :)Special thanks to porker1972.
I use 4000X firmware V3.12 to extract nk.nb0 file and to make usb boot file,let a 4034A scope go into infiniivision GUI.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2020, 02:55:36 am by wp_wp »
 

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Re: Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2020, 09:49:39 pm »
What's the flash chip used?  Can't you replace the one with an unrecorded bad sector, with one guaranteed to have zero bad sectors?  (Since, apparently the problem is early versions of the KS firmware doesn't properly implement bad sector mapping and error correction.)
 

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Re: Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2020, 09:57:50 pm »
What's the flash chip used?  Can't you replace the one with an unrecorded bad sector, with one guaranteed to have zero bad sectors?  (Since, apparently the problem is early versions of the KS firmware doesn't properly implement bad sector mapping and error correction.)
The issue is that new bad sectors appear, which should not happen normally. If they appear, it means that NAND is problematic. By itself or because there was no proper wear leveling implemented. Newer firmware simply deals with them more gracefully.
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with one guaranteed to have zero bad sectors?
It will be will be very tough to find such chip.
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Re: Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2020, 10:14:18 am »
What's the flash chip used?  Can't you replace the one with an unrecorded bad sector, with one guaranteed to have zero bad sectors?  (Since, apparently the problem is early versions of the KS firmware doesn't properly implement bad sector mapping and error correction.)
There is no need to change flash chip.
 

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Re: Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2020, 10:22:21 am »
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My friend has a DSOX4034A,which has NAND flash corruption problem.
And I used 4000X firmware V3.12 to solve the problem successfully.
I extracted nk.nb0 file to upload to RAM,and made a set of files to perform usb boot,the scope displayed infiniivision applicaiton interface.
I reloaded the V3.12 firmware into the scope.
At last,the scope works well.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2020, 11:17:45 am by wp_wp »
 
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Re: Aglient MSOX4154A repair (NAND corruption issue) ,ask for help
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2020, 11:07:31 am »
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My friend has a MSOX4154A,the scope has a NAND flash corruption problem.
I do not know which firmware edition it has.
Then I uploaded nk.nb0 file to RAM,and made a set of files to perform usb boot.The scope displayed infiniivision applicaiton interface.
But the interface had something wrong.
When I reloaded 4000X firmware V3.20 into the scope,it dead.
And I can not use usb boot anymore(with nk.nb0 and usb boot files from V3.12).
In U-boot,it always display:

<--EDeviceInitialize

GMAC DMA status register = 0x0
BALDWIN_DDI: cBaldwinHwIf::Init: Initializing...
BALDWIN_DDI: cBaldwinHwIf::Init: Scope successfully identified.

It stoped at this point.
How can I solve the problem?
What should I do?
« Last Edit: November 23, 2020, 11:20:17 am by wp_wp »
 


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