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Title: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: oewean on December 18, 2019, 11:47:39 pm
Exciting news
Siglent has released product information on their chinese website for a real-time spectrum analyzer with 5 and 7.5GHz range, 40MHz bandwidth.
https://www.siglent.com/products-overview/ssa3000xr/ (https://www.siglent.com/products-overview/ssa3000xr/)

It also looks like the SSA3000X Plus and SVA1000X series are getting 7.5GHz versions

I think 2020 is going to be a exciting year for Siglent :-)
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: DaJMasta on December 19, 2019, 12:20:03 am
Really nice news to see, now the inexpensive SA players have broken into the higher bandwidths.  I hope they have a VNA version on the way too, even if only a single port like their current lower bandwidth offerings.

Looks like it's got 40MHz realtime bandwidth too!
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tautech on December 19, 2019, 03:10:46 am
Yes this new SSA3000X-R range is not to be confused with the recently updated SSA3000X Plus range which will have only a 7.5 GHz version coming early-mid 2020 to add to the existing 2.1 and 3.2 GHz versions.
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: srce on December 19, 2019, 09:27:51 am
Looks pretty interesting. Slightly worse phase noise than the Rigol and no IF output though. More expensive too, possibly? (although I guess it depends on what options are included and how they are priced).

These two making a mockery of the Keysight and R&S pricing though.
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tv84 on December 19, 2019, 01:58:18 pm
Comparison to Rigol RSA5065 (https://www.siglent.com/products-comparison/ssa3000xr/#navs)

Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: srce on December 19, 2019, 02:14:13 pm
No analog AM/FM demodulation on the Rigol? That's a surprise.
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tautech on December 20, 2019, 03:11:44 am
Chinese website confirmation a 7.5 GHz SVA1075X is coming too:
https://www.siglent.com/products-overview/sva1000x/ (https://www.siglent.com/products-overview/sva1000x/)
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: jadew on December 20, 2019, 03:17:46 am
Chinese website confirmation a 7.5 GHz SVA1075X is coming too:
https://www.siglent.com/products-overview/sva1000x/ (https://www.siglent.com/products-overview/sva1000x/)

That's pretty neat, but a bit pricey I think. Lower end model retails at $3k?
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tautech on December 20, 2019, 03:20:30 am
Chinese website confirmation a 7.5 GHz SVA1075X is coming too:
https://www.siglent.com/products-overview/sva1000x/ (https://www.siglent.com/products-overview/sva1000x/)

That's pretty neat, but a bit pricey I think. Lower end model retails at $3k?
1.5 GHz SVA1015X $ 1995
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: 0culus on December 20, 2019, 03:22:07 am
Comparison to Rigol RSA5065 (https://www.siglent.com/products-comparison/ssa3000xr/#navs)

Where? All I see is a table comparing it to offerings from Keysight, Tektronix, and R&S, which must be a joke. All three are orders of magnitude more expensive and in a totally different class.
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: srce on December 20, 2019, 07:22:46 am
Comparison to Rigol RSA5065 (https://www.siglent.com/products-comparison/ssa3000xr/#navs)

Where? All I see is a table comparing it to offerings from Keysight, Tektronix, and R&S, which must be a joke. All three are orders of magnitude more expensive and in a totally different class.
They've changed it. It was there yesterday. However, that's Keysight's lowest benchtop model that supports Real Time analysis, so seems like a reasonable comparison.  Without all the options enabled, its not that different. E.G. frequency range can be just 10MHz to to 3GHz. DANL is worse (-164) without NFE option. But even with just the basic options, you need to spend 5 times as much to get RTSA. I don't know why they require you to have the 80MHz b/w option before supporting RTSA.
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tv84 on December 20, 2019, 11:35:33 am
They replaced the Rigol in the comparison table.   :-//


...but Google is our friend.
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: simone.pignatti on December 20, 2019, 04:35:17 pm
To summarize this should be the SIGLENT 2020 spectrum analyzers line up:

SIGLENT SSA3050X-R, spectrum analyzer 9kHz - 5GHz with up to 40MHz real time analysis bandwidth

SIGLENT SSA3075X-R, spectrum analyzer 9kHz - 7.5GHz with up to 40MHz real time analysis bandwidth

SIGLENT SVA1015X, spectrum analyzer 9kHz - 1.5GHz with S11 and S21 single port vector network analyzer

SIGLENT SVA1032X, spectrum analyzer 9kHz - 3.2GHz with S11 and S21 single port vector network analyzer

SIGLENT SVA1075X, spectrum analyzer 9kHz - 7.5GHz with S11 and S21 single port vector network analyzer

SIGLENT SSA3021X PLUS, spectrum analyzer 9kHz - 2.1GHz

SIGLENT SSA3032X PLUS, spectrum analyzer 9kHz - 3.2GHz

SIGLENT SSA3075X PLUS, spectrum analyzer 9kHz - 7.5GHz

SIGLENT SSA3021X, spectrum analyzer 9kHz - 2.1GHz

SIGLENT SSA3032X, spectrum analyzer 9kHz - 3.2GHz
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tggzzz on December 20, 2019, 05:22:38 pm
Siglent has released product information on their chinese website for a real-time spectrum analyzer with 5 and 7.5GHz bandwith

That would have been stunning, if it had been the case.

They have a bandwidth of 40MHz, and a frequency range up to 7.5GHz.
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: oewean on December 20, 2019, 09:21:20 pm
Siglent has released product information on their chinese website for a real-time spectrum analyzer with 5 and 7.5GHz bandwith

That would have been stunning, if it had been the case.

They have a bandwidth of 40MHz, and a frequency range up to 7.5GHz.

Sorry for the miscommunication, a bandwidth of 7.5 GHz would be more than stunning  :)
Will edit the text.
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: rf-loop on December 21, 2019, 10:21:37 am
Comparison to Rigol RSA5065 (https://www.siglent.com/products-comparison/ssa3000xr/#navs)

Where? All I see is a table comparing it to offerings from Keysight, Tektronix, and R&S, which must be a joke. All three are orders of magnitude more expensive and in a totally different class.
They've changed it. It was there yesterday. However, that's Keysight's lowest benchtop model that supports Real Time analysis, so seems like a reasonable comparison.  Without all the options enabled, its not that different. E.G. frequency range can be just 10MHz to to 3GHz. DANL is worse (-164) without NFE option. But even with just the basic options, you need to spend 5 times as much to get RTSA. I don't know why they require you to have the 80MHz b/w option before supporting RTSA.

I do not remember any case that Rigol have published this kind of comparison table where they compare any their own product with Siglent product. So, why Siglent need compare they products with Rigol. Is Rigol some kind of "reference" level for Siglent. No. 
Much better ones need be "reference" just as is also with audiophiles, reference quality speakers or amplifiers and then compare all others to these. So...
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tv84 on December 21, 2019, 10:58:52 am
So, why Siglent need compare they products with Rigol. Is Rigol some kind of "reference" level for Siglent. No. 

For a certain period (while Siglent didnt have the equipment ready) it was and the proof is their own table.

I would say that they even used Rigol's parameters as an objective to equal or add a little more. The series params are striking similar.
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: simone.pignatti on December 21, 2019, 01:22:51 pm
I made the line up table, will add more details over the time
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BCe9j2sFGA9krmXgSYCdvsX91E3v2_LXLjGxaZi36aI/edit?usp=sharing
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tv84 on December 21, 2019, 01:37:42 pm
I made the line up table, will add more details over the time
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BCe9j2sFGA9krmXgSYCdvsX91E3v2_LXLjGxaZi36aI/edit?usp=sharing

Nice. Why not VNA in X-R series? Just a marketing strategy, right?
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: srce on February 26, 2020, 11:22:08 am
Any idea when these (SSA3050X-R) are going to be available in Europe?
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: colorado.rob on February 26, 2020, 04:56:05 pm
Do any vector signal analyzers have the capability to do symbol mapping and output the symbol/bitstream in real time?
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tautech on February 26, 2020, 08:39:52 pm
Do any vector signal analyzers have the capability to do symbol mapping and output the symbol/bitstream in real time?
As in IQ demodulation ?
Yes the SSA X-R, SSA Plus and SVA models can do this.

SVA:
The Signal Path video stopped at the start of IQ demodulation:
https://youtu.be/ToVJTKCyIU8?t=2660

Any idea when these (SSA3050X-R) are going to be available in Europe?
I'll ask the factory for a projected release date.
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tautech on February 27, 2020, 01:25:49 am
Any idea when these (SSA3050X-R) are going to be available in Europe?
I'll ask the factory for a projected release date.
Apparently in just a couple of weeks however I cannot say which distributors will get to stock them first.
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: colorado.rob on February 27, 2020, 03:38:21 am
Do any vector signal analyzers have the capability to do symbol mapping and output the symbol/bitstream in real time?
As in IQ demodulation ?
Yes the SSA X-R, SSA Plus and SVA models can do this.

SVA:
The Signal Path video stopped at the start of IQ demodulation:
https://youtu.be/ToVJTKCyIU8?t=2660

Hi Rob,  I am looking for a VSA that can output the bitstream so that it can be consumed by other instruments.  I see the data on screen in the video.  A number of VSAs have that ability.  But I would like to output that demodulated bitstream from the instrument in real time, either via a dedicated TTL port, or via LXI.  I looked at the programming manual and it was not apparent how to get at the demodulated data.
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tautech on February 27, 2020, 03:56:10 am
Do any vector signal analyzers have the capability to do symbol mapping and output the symbol/bitstream in real time?
As in IQ demodulation ?
Yes the SSA X-R, SSA Plus and SVA models can do this.

SVA:
The Signal Path video stopped at the start of IQ demodulation:
https://youtu.be/ToVJTKCyIU8?t=2660

Hi Rob,  I am looking for a VSA that can output the bitstream so that it can be consumed by other instruments.  I see the data on screen in the video.  A number of VSAs have that ability.  But I would like to output that demodulated bitstream from the instrument in real time, either via a dedicated TTL port, or via LXI.  I looked at the programming manual and it was not apparent how to get at the demodulated data.
Yes we only have limited I/O's to get data out so it must be from USB or LAN and maybe there will be a new SCPI command set when these new models are released. IDK.
But I know 2 beta testers that maybe can take this up with the product managers to see how this might be accomplished however maybe not in real time.  :(
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tautech on April 06, 2020, 09:48:13 am
Released today 6 April 2020.

SSA3050X-R    $8,549
SSA3075X-R    $10,449

https://int.siglent.com/products-overview/ssa3000xr/ (https://int.siglent.com/products-overview/ssa3000xr/)
https://siglentna.com/spectrum-analyzers/ssa3000x-r/ (https://siglentna.com/spectrum-analyzers/ssa3000x-r/)
https://www.siglenteu.com/spectrum-analyzers/ssa3000x-r/ (https://www.siglenteu.com/spectrum-analyzers/ssa3000x-r/)

Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: srce on April 06, 2020, 11:13:11 am
A quick spec-sheet comparison of the SSA3075X-R vs RSA5056-TG

Currently have a Siglent SSA3032X, which has worked well, but am veering towards the RSA5056-TG for the upgrade. Anything I'm missing?
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: Sighound36 on April 06, 2020, 12:03:50 pm
Phase noise is 10dbm less plus I find it much easier to use and oddly enough just nicer.
Have a 5065 on loan and make the comparison yourself then Tautech can't moan to much  :box:
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tautech on April 06, 2020, 12:12:24 pm
Phase noise is 10dbm less plus I find it much easier to use and oddly enough just nicer.
Have a 5065 on loan and make the comparison yourself then Tautech can't moan to much  :box:
You've used both ?  :-//

I've had a quick play with a beta SSA3075X-R and after some time with SVA, SSA and Plus models for the most part UI is comfortably familiar albeit with additional features.

srce has shown interest in these for a while so should at least test drive one especially when shelling out this sort of coin.  :o
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tautech on April 16, 2020, 08:15:05 am
Feature overview video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM5Nu_uSGWs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM5Nu_uSGWs)
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: OwO on April 16, 2020, 08:36:11 am
At that price point it's unremarkable. It's probably also just built with a shitload of ADI parts with not much engineering on the part of Siglent, something anyone can just pull off.
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tautech on April 16, 2020, 09:11:15 am
Remote access to a local beta testers SSA3075X-R so made some remote adjustments and grabbed a screenshot of his local 2.4 GHz WiFi activity:

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ssa3000x-r-57-5ghz-real-time-spectrum-analyzer/?action=dlattach;attach=970992)
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: Sighound36 on April 16, 2020, 10:10:09 am
As OwO has pointed out not much going on here that hasn't been seen before Rigol were doing this two years ago.

Now If Siglent were going to lift some interesting tech from LeCroy regarding the spectrum analyser capability from the upper models then that would be worth looking at imho
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: tautech on August 17, 2020, 09:08:05 am
New announcements for the SSA3000X-R range:

VNA and DTF standard features now added to all models.
New model added: SSA3032X-R

https://int.siglent.com/u_file/document/SSA3000X-R_DataSheet_DS0703R_E02A.pdf
Title: Re: Siglent SSA3000X-R 5/7.5GHz Real-Time Spectrum Analyzer
Post by: kaz911 on August 17, 2020, 11:41:43 am
If the SSA3032X-R becomes "upgradable" :) I think it will be an instant success even at 4k Euro.