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Re: Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers
« Reply #1300 on: September 22, 2020, 08:01:50 am »
SSA/SVA File management.

An Export <file> feature request is in a draft however before we flick this to Siglent I'm looking for more/better ideas.

Background.
When screenshots or such are saved without a USB stick inserted, files are auto saved locally and presently the only obvious way to export them is to Copy/Paste them onto a USB stick.
Saved files are accessed in the File menu and to perform tasks with them the Operate sub menu is used.

Request proposal.
To add a new Export <file/s> feature into the File>Operate sub menu where selected files are simply highlighted and quickly saved to a USB stick with a new Export key.
Further, when the SSA/SVA is accessed via the webserver Instrument Control page and export <file/s> functionality is required the addition of one new Export button to accompany the Firmware Update and Screen Shot buttons to allow for selected file export to the PC's browser Download folder.

In summary, 2 new types of user saved file export of only <user> selected files to either USB stick or PC Download folder and both dependent on the available connection path; USB or LAN.
Export feature is denied if USB or webserver is unavailable.

Please discuss.
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers
« Reply #1301 on: September 22, 2020, 04:28:39 pm »
Interesting idea, tautech!

I would actually like to go a step further and synchronize the local files to the USB stick that are missing (there), if that is not already covered by the Export function (probably via "skip existing"). I know that I'd be annoyed if I had to select (only) those local files that are missing on the USB stick in the first place.

I even might not mind being asked if I wanted to copy all local files (that are missing on the USB stick) when plugging in the stick. Then, I might pick a target directory on the stick (root being default), and be done with it.

I'm not too used to the instrument, but so far I don't find the File browser of the SVA1032X very intuitive. The less I have to fiddle around with it, the better :)
 
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers
« Reply #1302 on: September 23, 2020, 01:01:37 am »
Further to this tautech and I have had a chat, and these are the ideas we have bounced around:

1.
As mentioned - on the device itself, implement a Copy All/Export All function to bulk copy Local files to the USB drive in one step.

1a.
Improve the file management function in general. The copy paste mechanism is functional, but clunky.
A simple improvement would be to remove the need to switch between Dir and File mode when pasting.

2.
Run an FTP and/or a Samba server on the device to provide a way to remote access files on the local and USB filesystems.

3.
Implement a web based file browser which is accessible via the built in Siglent Instrument Control web page.

4.
(Bonus feature, this is a bit novel)
On the filesystem provide a set of 'virtual files' which allow access to the device data and screenshots without having to save the files on the device.
e.g.
to take a screenshot, just open the screenshot.png virtual file on the PC (via FTP or using the web browser). The act of opening the file will take the screenshot and then save the data on the PC as normal.
to download a CSV file of the current sweep open the sweep.csv file on the PC. The data is returned at the end of the sweep.
etc etc for all of the different file types.


 
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers
« Reply #1303 on: September 23, 2020, 08:45:12 am »
As we are talking about files, while the menu and copying can be survived, the lack of export to touchstone (s2p) files is a pain.
 

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers
« Reply #1304 on: September 23, 2020, 10:15:28 am »
As we are talking about files, while the menu and copying can be survived, the lack of export to touchstone (s2p) files is a pain.

Yes - this has been requested already, hopefully it will come soon. I'm sure it helps if more people request it.

 

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers
« Reply #1305 on: September 23, 2020, 12:43:58 pm »
Yes - this has been requested already, hopefully it will come soon. I'm sure it helps if more people request it.

Is there an official Siglent idea/feature request tracker where I can place my vote on this, or does someone pass this along to Siglent?

In the latter case, I'd like to weigh in on that one.
In the former case, please share the link -- I could not find anything beyond the generic "Contact us" form on Siglent's website.
 

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers
« Reply #1306 on: September 24, 2020, 03:54:01 am »
Yes - this has been requested already, hopefully it will come soon. I'm sure it helps if more people request it.

Is there an official Siglent idea/feature request tracker where I can place my vote on this, or does someone pass this along to Siglent?
They keep an eye out for suggestions here and in a few threads however there are a few of us that pass stuff to them too, dealers and beta testers etc.
Use this thread as there there is a list of their products threads in the first post:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-technical-support-join-in-eevblog/

Or as you have a SVA1032X here:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sva1015x-1-5ghz-spectrum-vector-network-analyzer-(coming)/
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers
« Reply #1307 on: September 25, 2020, 03:40:43 pm »
 I don't know if it was already posted here, but found it by accident ;)

https://teledynelecroy.com/spectrum-analyzers/detail.aspx?modelid=11039

https://teledynelecroy.com/vector-network-analyzer/detail.aspx?modelid=11452

I wonder what the differences in the firmware (some old firmware versions: T3SA3000_1.2.9.3a.ADS & T3VNA1500_2.2.1.2.7.ADS) :-DD


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Re: Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers
« Reply #1308 on: September 25, 2020, 09:32:46 pm »
I don't know if it was already posted here, but found it by accident ;)
Nice find.  :)
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I wonder what the differences in the firmware (some old firmware versions: T3SA3000_1.2.9.3a.ADS & T3VNA1500_2.2.1.2.7.ADS)
LeCroy display branding.  :-//
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers
« Reply #1309 on: September 25, 2020, 09:56:43 pm »
LeCroy display branding.  :-//

I think he can paint LeCroy with a felt-tip pen  :-DD

and interesting things - documentation on how to program with NI-VISA (Visual C++, LabView, Matlab)

http://cdn.teledynelecroy.com/files/manuals/t3vna-programming-manual.pdf
 

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers
« Reply #1310 on: September 26, 2020, 02:50:16 am »
LeCroy display branding.  :-//

I think he can paint LeCroy with a felt-tip pen  :-DD

and interesting things - documentation on how to program with NI-VISA (Visual C++, LabView, Matlab)

http://cdn.teledynelecroy.com/files/manuals/t3vna-programming-manual.pdf


And how it differ technically from these Siglent originals
https://www.siglenteu.com/download/8312/   (206 pages,  SVA, SSAPlus. SSA-R)
https://www.siglenteu.com/download/2531/   (86 pages SSA3000X)

Of course if you want rebrand Siglent products for your name you can also then rename it in manuals and put your logo, contacts and what name you have give for instrument. Also you can change boot logo etc. After then warranty and all aftersale support or others are yours. You can do it better or same or worse than OEM. 
Example how slowly FW updates are published by company who put they own logo to OEM's product - who knows, this is not OEM's headache.

Other than rebrand OEM it is also possible Siglent do ODM for you, just with your specs and details you want (of course every ODM manufacturer have own limits what they can and can not) and even hide every single bit of details what tell who have made it.

These rebrand can find in many places, here one example:
https://www.testequipmentdepot.com/bk-precision/spectrum-analyzers/9-khz-to-2-1-ghz-benchtop-spectrum-analyzer-2682.htm
https://www.testequipmentdepot.com/bk-precision/pdf/2680-series_datasheet.pdf

fun prices...
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers
« Reply #1311 on: September 26, 2020, 09:37:19 pm »
Hi-

Does the Real Time Spectrum Analyzer (RTSA) work with your crossflashed SSA+?

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers
« Reply #1312 on: September 27, 2020, 02:07:00 am »
Further to this tautech and I have had a chat, and these are the ideas we have bounced around:

1.
As mentioned - on the device itself, implement a Copy All/Export All function to bulk copy Local files to the USB drive in one step.

1a.
Improve the file management function in general. The copy paste mechanism is functional, but clunky.
A simple improvement would be to remove the need to switch between Dir and File mode when pasting.

2.
Run an FTP and/or a Samba server on the device to provide a way to remote access files on the local and USB filesystems.

3.
Implement a web based file browser which is accessible via the built in Siglent Instrument Control web page.

4.
(Bonus feature, this is a bit novel)
On the filesystem provide a set of 'virtual files' which allow access to the device data and screenshots without having to save the files on the device.
e.g.
to take a screenshot, just open the screenshot.png virtual file on the PC (via FTP or using the web browser). The act of opening the file will take the screenshot and then save the data on the PC as normal.
to download a CSV file of the current sweep open the sweep.csv file on the PC. The data is returned at the end of the sweep.
etc etc for all of the different file types.

I swapped out telnet for ssh and just use winscp on this and my scope.. my suggestion would be they do the same..  i'd be surprised if they did though.. i think the best you will get is some kinda file management os additions to the gui and some further additions to the webgui to download the files

Hi-

Does the Real Time Spectrum Analyzer (RTSA) work with your crossflashed SSA+?

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No, these are not real time units
 
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers
« Reply #1313 on: September 29, 2020, 08:30:26 am »
Further to this tautech and I have had a chat, and these are the ideas we have bounced around:

1.
As mentioned - on the device itself, implement a Copy All/Export All function to bulk copy Local files to the USB drive in one step.

1a.
Improve the file management function in general. The copy paste mechanism is functional, but clunky.
A simple improvement would be to remove the need to switch between Dir and File mode when pasting.

2.
Run an FTP and/or a Samba server on the device to provide a way to remote access files on the local and USB filesystems.

3.
Implement a web based file browser which is accessible via the built in Siglent Instrument Control web page.

4.
(Bonus feature, this is a bit novel)
On the filesystem provide a set of 'virtual files' which allow access to the device data and screenshots without having to save the files on the device.
e.g.
to take a screenshot, just open the screenshot.png virtual file on the PC (via FTP or using the web browser). The act of opening the file will take the screenshot and then save the data on the PC as normal.
to download a CSV file of the current sweep open the sweep.csv file on the PC. The data is returned at the end of the sweep.
etc etc for all of the different file types.

I swapped out telnet for ssh and just use winscp on this and my scope.. my suggestion would be they do the same..  i'd be surprised if they did though.. i think the best you will get is some kinda file management os additions to the gui and some further additions to the webgui to download the files

Little update, FTP access is already functional by default however file access is PW protected but improved SSA/SVA Local file access from PC has been accepted as a feature request to be added in the near future.

Will be interesting to see the final implementation.   :)
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers
« Reply #1314 on: Yesterday at 07:22:53 pm »
Hi there,

Another SSA3021 sucessfully crossflashed here.

I used the instruction recap from @maximevince at post #1223 from this thread.
Thanks to all the contributors!

Small thing:
The backup require to mount the USB device in RW mode:
$ mount -o remount,rw /usr/bin/siglent/usr/mass_storage/U-disk0

Also, this is not super n00b friendly as a procedure, maybe it's better that way.
In all cases, if you never used vi to edit a file, this is not a procedure you should attempt (yet)­.


 


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