Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus Spectrum Analyzers

[cubitus]

Hello.
I have just received my SSA3021X plus analyzer.
I would like to improve its performance.
I have already read a lot of messages in this forum.
The English language is not my mother tongue, I am French, I confess to have a little difficulty in understanding everything.
I think I have partially understood the manipulation to be done.
Nevertheless, in order not to do anything stupid, could someone help me to make this modification safely?

I have reactivated the Telnet access which was not active with : Telnet on port 5024 (SCPI) and send the command 'DEBTTT'.



Merci

[cubitus]

well, it's done   

[tautech]

Never seen this !
Let Siglent Germany fix it for you under warranty.
You can get service through your supplier or contact them directly:
info-eu@siglent.com

[cubitus]

With a modified SSA2021 +, on the "Mode" RTSA menu, I have nothing at all.
Is this normal or did I not understand something?

[tv84]

Is this normal or did I not understand something?

You're out of spec. Realtime is no go in a X+ machine.

[bicycleguy]

Assuming you meant SSA3021X +
The RTSA menu doesn't work.
However to get a waterfall display press and release in order: Mode button, 'Spectrum Analyzer' menu control key(MCK the key to right of spectrum analyzer on display) ,  Meas button, 'Next' MCK, 'Spectrum Monitor' MCK.

You should get a display like attached.

To get out of the mode press Meas, 'Previous'MCK, 'Meas Off'MCK

[cubitus]

with the application "EasySpectrum" we can have this :

[Bicurico]

Both is available for the SSA3000X series, without the Plus.
The spectrogram/waterfall display is part of the MEAS option and EasySpectrum will render both 2D and 3D spectrogram, even without the option.

[luudee]

Hi Guys,

I have a SSA3032X+ which I converted to a SVA3032X.
System Info lists it a "SVA1032X", and firmware is 3.2.2.4.0.r2
Everything appears to work just fine.

Now I am trying to upgrade to the latest firmware for the SVA.

I see these options:
SVA1000X Firmware-V3.2.2.5.0 (Release Date 12.03.21 )
SVA1032X Firmware – V3.2.2.4.0 (Release Date 01.20.21 )

What is the difference between "SVA1000X" and "SVA1032X" ?

I obviously want "SVA1000X Firmware-V3.2.2.5.0", but each time I try, it somehow aborts the update.

What am I doing wrong ?

Many Thanks !
luudee

[rf-loop]

Hi Guys,

I have a SSA3032X+ which I converted to a SVA3032X.
System Info lists it a "SVA1032X", and firmware is 3.2.2.4.0.r2
Everything appears to work just fine.

Now I am trying to upgrade to the latest firmware for the SVA.

I see these options:
SVA1000X Firmware-V3.2.2.5.0 (Release Date 12.03.21 )
SVA1032X Firmware – V3.2.2.4.0 (Release Date 01.20.21 )

What is the difference between "SVA1000X" and "SVA1032X" ?

I obviously want "SVA1000X Firmware-V3.2.2.5.0", but each time I try, it somehow aborts the update.

What am I doing wrong ?

Many Thanks !
luudee

Least from official Siglent Europa area side it can download (whole package with release notes and instructions).
https://www.siglenteu.com/download/11716/     

and release notes (pdf):
https://www.siglenteu.com/download/11719/

[luudee]

Least from official Siglent Europa area side it can download (whole package with release notes and instructions).
https://www.siglenteu.com/download/11716/     

and release notes (pdf):
https://www.siglenteu.com/download/11719/

Yes, I know that, my questions are:

1. What is the difference between "SVA1000X" and "SVA1032X" ?  Which one should I use ?

2. Why do my update attempts not complete ?
(It sits there for a few minutes with the rotating hour glass, then gets back the Update Menu".

luudee

[luudee]

Hi Guys,

I have a SSA3032X+ which I converted to a SVA3032X.
System Info lists it a "SVA1032X", and firmware is 3.2.2.4.0.r2
Everything appears to work just fine.

Now I am trying to upgrade to the latest firmware for the SVA.

I see these options:
SVA1000X Firmware-V3.2.2.5.0 (Release Date 12.03.21 )
SVA1032X Firmware – V3.2.2.4.0 (Release Date 01.20.21 )

What is the difference between "SVA1000X" and "SVA1032X" ?

I obviously want "SVA1000X Firmware-V3.2.2.5.0", but each time I try, it somehow aborts the update.

What am I doing wrong ?

Many Thanks !
luudee

Strange ... after rebooting and trying again, I was able to upgrade to 3.2.2.5 ,,,

Still curious what the difference between "SVA1000X" and "SVA1032X" is ...

Thanks guys,
luudee

[rf-loop]

Least from official Siglent Europa area side it can download (whole package with release notes and instructions).
https://www.siglenteu.com/download/11716/     

and release notes (pdf):
https://www.siglenteu.com/download/11719/

Yes, I know that, my questions are:

1. What is the difference between "SVA1000X" and "SVA1032X" ?  Which one should I use ?

2. Why do my update attempts not complete ?
(It sits there for a few minutes with the rotating hour glass, then gets back the Update Menu".

luudee

Sorry, first (too fast) read I think you can not download... sorry.

Btw, why you have 3.2.2.4.0.r2  (it must not be problem but still I ask...)  and not 3.2.2.4.0
Because r2  was just for only:  " Fixed the VNA option license error on some SVA1015 and SVA1075 units "
And you do not have 1015  or 1075.


ETA:  I believe there is no difference for you.  Today SVA1000X series include more models than originally.  As you can see there have been also separate updates for 1015, 1032, 1075... and now this 1000 include all these. Perhaps this is reason - not. Just guessings.

ETA 2: oh... and just Bicurico was more fast

[Bicurico]

SVA1000X or SSA3000X is just the generic reference for the model series.

For example, the same FW is used for SSA3021X and SSA3032X. Hence, to make the naming universal, it is referred to as SSA3000X.

With the SVA, it used to be different: there were different FW files for the SVA1015X and bigger models (SVA1032X, SVA1075X, etc.). Note that I am writing out of my head, so some numbers may be wrong. Also, as you may have noticed, the SVA1015X cannot be upgraded in terms of frequency range.

At some point, though, Siglent unified the FW for the SVA models and this is why it is now called SVA1000X: it works on both the SVA1015X and SVA1032X.

However, it means that the SVA1000X FW has probably more changes to it and may include some additional checks. I would not recommend this as the starting FW for any cross-grade, unless proven to be OK (I don't know, I don't own a SSA-XP or SVA). If the device is already cross-graded, it should be OK to upgrade.

[luudee]

Sorry, first (too fast) read I think you can not download... sorry.

Btw, why you have 3.2.2.4.0.r2  (it must not be problem but still I ask...)  and not 3.2.2.4.0
Because r2  was just for only:  " Fixed the VNA option license error on some SVA1015 and SVA1075 units "
And you do not have 1015  or 1075.

No sure why I had that particular version. I think that was part of the upgrade from SSA3032X+ to SVA1032X. I just grabbed whatever was the latest back then ...

Cheers,
luudee

[jsilva]

Hey everyone,
I am thinking of purchasing a SSA3021X Plus and upgrading it to SVA1032X, however, I have some questions I would like to clear before committing to buying.
This thread is already pretty long, and I think I found what I was looking for, but just wanna be sure about it.

- Is the hardware inside the SSA3021X Plus, SSA3032X Plus the same as the SVA1032X?
- Does the digital modulation analysis work after the upgrade?
- Is https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ssa3000x-spectrum-analyzers/msg3084766/#msg3084766 still the correct most up to date procedure?
- Is the procedure 100% reversible?

Thanks,
JS

[Bicurico]

The hardware inside is indeed the same for 2.1 and 3.2GHz models.
The SSA+ and SVA use the same HW platform.
Some SSA+ had, in the past, a missing SMA cable, which is required for VNA measurements. You can purchase and fit this cable, but you will void warranty unless you manage to use Dave's trick to remove the warranty sticker and then glue it back.
In theory you could revert the hack. In my opinion, though, the only way to do that 100% would be to backup the flash and then program it back.
This, however is not without risks, as the flash might have some banks broken, which is normal. I am not sure if it is easy to flash back the backup. Also, you would of course need a working device, at least to the boot loader. But then, if the device is working, why flash it back?
The bottom line is: if you want to hack or cross-flash your device, you pay the price of losing the warranty. If you consider this a no go, then don't do the hack. Buy the correct model instead.

[cubitus]

Does the digital modulation analysis work after the upgrade?

YES 

[tv84]

- Is the procedure 100% reversible?

It is.

Has anyone done it, AFAIK? No because there was no need.

Leaves some residues in the filesystem? Most probably.

Would Siglent search for that? I doubt it.

[jburchm1]

Has anyone done it, AFAIK? No because there was no need.

Leaves some residues in the filesystem? Most probably.

I converted mine, bricked it being silly, then reverted to a NAND backup using the bootloader over the serial console.  No problem.

I have since reconverted it and restored the serial number and it's working fine as an SVA1032X.

[DL4JY]

I have since reconverted it and restored the serial number and it's working fine as an SVA1032X.

Hello, can you please share how you restored your serial with keeping the conversion to an SVA1032x including all options enabled.

Many thanks

Juergen

[cubitus]

What does it make more to change from SSA 3000 to SVA 1000?

Hello, can you please share how you restored your serial with keeping the conversion to an SVA1032x including all options enabled.

Personally I did not perform this operation.
I renamed the 3 files in firmdata0 and I have all the options.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ssa3000x-spectrum-analyzers/msg3180754/#msg3180754

[DL4JY]

What does it make more to change from SSA 3000 to SVA 1000?

The VNA ist not 100% functional. Especially some Calibration routines are not working in the "Pro Mode" . Yes there are work arounds, but it would be nicer to have it completely working.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sva1015x-1-5ghz-spectrum-vector-network-analyzer-(coming)/msg3923372/?topicseen#msg3923372 et al.

best regards

Juergen

[cubitus]

I spent this morning making the transformation to the SVA1032X.
At first sight, I don't see any difference with the pro version.
On the VNA part, I had hoped to have more than 751 points, but it is not the case.
Is this number of points limited by the firmware version 3.2.2.4.0.r2 or is there a trick to go beyond 751 points?
Thank you.

[DL4JY]

On the VNA part, I had hoped to have more than 751 points, but it is not the case.
Is this number of points limited by the firmware version 3.2.2.4.0.r2 or is there a trick to go beyond 751 points?

you need the latest firmware (V3.2.2.5.0 ) for more than 751 points.
However how did you manage to keep your serial number and not using the pro mode?

best regards,

Juergen