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Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« on: September 06, 2018, 08:42:49 am »
SSG5000X
4 and 6 GHz models
Released May 2020
Pricing from $ 8809


https://int.siglent.com/products-overview/ssg5000x/
https://siglentna.com/rf-generators/ssg5000x-series/

Main Features
Frequency up to 4 GHz / 6 GHz
0.001 Hz frequency setting resolution
Maximum output power up to +26 dBm (typ.)
Phase Noise: -120 dBc/ Hz @ 1 GHz, 20 kHz offset (typ.)
Standard AM & FM & PM & Pulse modulation
Pulse train Generator  (option)
External IQ signal Generator (option)
High accuracy clock source (option)


SSG3000X
3.2 and 2.1 GHz models

https://www.siglentamerica.com/rf-generators/ssg3000x/
https://www.siglenteu.com/rf-generators/ssg3000x-series-of-signal-generators/





SSG3000X series RF signal source, output frequency range from 9 KHz to 3.2 GHz, standard AM & FM & PM analog modulation, pulse modulation, pulse sequencer, power meter control kit, etc., equipped with baseband source (eg: SDG 6000X), Implement IQ modulation for R&D, education, production, maintenance and other related fields.

Features
● Maximum frequency 2.1GHz/3.2 GHz
● Output frequency resolution up to 0.01Hz
● Output power range from +13dBm to -110dBm
● Phase noise <-110 dBc/Hz@1 GHz, offset 20 kHz (typical)
● Amplitude accuracy ≤ 0.7dB (typical)
● Support AM/FM/PM analog modulation, support internal and external modulation
● Pulse modulation function, the on-off ratio can reach 70dBc
● Pulse train generator, user-definable pulse sequence (optional)
● Supports external IQ modulation and outputs IQ modulated signals (optional)
● Power meter control kit for easy power meter measurement and control power output
● Support web remote control, which is convenient for users to remotely control devices
● 5-inch capacitive touch screen for user-friendly operation
● Rich communication interface: USB-HOST, USB DEVICE (USB-TMC), LAN (VXI-11, Socket, Telnet), optional GPIB

Datasheet:
https://www.siglentamerica.com/download/7543/

US Pricing:
SSG3021X          9 kHz~2.1 GHz        $2549   
SSG3032X          9 kHz~3.2 GHz        $4009


SSG5000X video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=LObh3AZTTGM&feature=emb_logo
   
The Signal Path review video SSG5060X-V
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2018, 03:50:54 pm »
Oooooh, shiny!

Looks expensive.
 
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2018, 04:56:53 am »
● Power meter control kit for easy power meter measurement and control power output

Sounds interesting.
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2018, 10:30:59 pm »
Looks very nice.
Any idea of its price point?
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2018, 12:56:26 pm »
Hi. The units came out today. In Euro they are starting at 1999.00€ for the standard 2.1GHz version. Of course there are IQE versions and accessories available. I put everything together and the ultimate unit came out at just over 6,500.00€. Really awesome prices, if you compare them to the others in the market.
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2018, 01:13:28 pm »
EUROPEAN pricing as below:
SSG3021X EURO 1999 + VAT
SSG3021X-EIQ EURO 4299 + VAT
SSG3032X EURO 3499 + VAT
SSG3032X-EIQ EURO 5699 + VAT

Pulse train Generator option EURO 819 + VAT
2.1 TO 3.2GHz BANDWIDTH UPGRADE EURO 1999 + VAT
RACK MOUNT KIT EURO 159 + VAT

to use the IQ you need a SDG6000X ARB gen series with IQ option installed

ENGLISH DATA SHEET
https://www.batterfly.com/PDF/Siglent/ssg3000x-datasheet.pdf
« Last Edit: October 30, 2018, 01:15:39 pm by simone.pignatti »
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2018, 09:44:15 pm »
SSG3000X Series Signal Generator

English Programming Guide
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2018, 05:01:02 pm »
Dragon has update, made by David...
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2018, 05:32:52 pm »
eee... app name is dragon and binary listing shows ../home/david/.. as CodeSourcery

== volume siglent ==
drwxrwxrwx  2 1000  1000         688 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib
-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000       37230 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib/ext_device_driver.so
-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000      124489 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib/libvncclient.so
-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000      419792 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib/libEasyLib.so
-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000      294114 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib/libvncserver.so
-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000       24339 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib/brusvxi11.so
-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000      124489 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib/libvncclient.so.1
-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000      294114 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib/libvncserver.so.1
drwxrwxrwx  3 1000  1000         224 2018-10-10 11:43:12 usr
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-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000       25032 2018-10-10 11:43:12 vncserver
drwxrwxrwx  2 1000  1000         160 2018-10-10 11:43:12 upgrade
-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000     5966131 2018-10-25 06:58:49 dragon.app
drwxrwxrwx  6 1000  1000         504 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config
drwxrwxrwx  2 1000  1000         744 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb
-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000       32768 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb/square_wav.bin
-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000       32768 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb/sin_wav.bin
-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000       32768 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb/1FFF.bin
-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000        8192 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb/iq.bin
-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000       32768 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb/sawtooth_wav.bin
-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000       32768 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb/2000.bin
-rwxrwxrwx  1 1000  1000       32768 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb/triangle_wav.bin
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2018, 09:49:02 pm »
Product ID = 15100
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ads-firmware-file-format/msg1364981/#msg1364981

.ADS parsing:
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File Header Size: 00000070
00000000 - File Checksum: BBF25EE0 [00000004-008A17CE] (with only the File Header decrypted)  CKSM OK
00000004 - File Size: 008A175F (without 0x70 bytes of the File Header)
0000000C - Product_ID: 15100
00000026 - Vendor/Brand: SIGLENT
0000003A - USB Host Controller: ISP1763
****************************************************
Decrypting the 0x2800 and 0x1400 blocks...
Reversing file...
XORing with 0xFF (incrementing pattern)...
XORing with 0xFF from 0x00450BB0 until 0x008A175E
****************************************************
00000000 --- Section Checksum: B9DCD365
00000004 --- Section Size: 008A172B [00000034-008A175E]  CKSM OK
00000008 --- Section # 00000007
00000034 --- 008A175E  ***** ZIP file *****
Offset    Ver  Flag  Comp  Size      Packed    Modified             CRC32                          Name         Permissions     Extra Details
00000034  2.0  0000  0008  00119438  00002321  01-09-2016 11:44:22  B69FEE43  [0000005A-0000237A]  logo.bmp  MTime: 01-09-2016 04:44:44  ATime: 10-10-2018 12:29:51  CTime: 10-10-2018 12:29:51
0000237B  2.0  0000  0008  000001A8  000001AD  06-06-2018 23:35:09  5534B3D8  [000023A3-0000254F]  readme.txt  MTime: 06-06-2018 16:35:18  ATime: 10-10-2018 12:29:51  CTime: 10-10-2018 12:29:51
00002550  2.0  0000  0008  00880000  00597AB9  26-10-2018 09:14:06  735161E7  [00002579-0059A031]  siglent.img  MTime: 26-10-2018 02:14:13  ATime: 10-10-2018 12:27:48  CTime: 10-10-2018 12:27:48
0059A032  2.0  0000  0008  0030C730  003071C6  23-07-2018 17:28:18  F17F0C39  [0059A056-008A121B]  uImage  MTime: 23-07-2018 10:28:36  ATime: 10-10-2018 12:28:14  CTime: 10-10-2018 12:28:14
008A121C  2.0  0000  0008  00000B1B  00000340  17-10-2018 16:52:24  44D2343E  [008A1243-008A1582]  update.sh  MTime: 17-10-2018 09:52:49  ATime: 10-10-2018 12:29:51  CTime: 10-10-2018 12:29:51
Disk Entries: 5   Total Entries: 5   Directory Size: 454 bytes  [008A1583-008A1748]
****************************************************

Xilinx Zynq XC7Z020 device (top_dragon_zynq.bit) parsing:
Code: [Select]
00000000 - 0009         (0x0009) File Header Length
00000002 - 0FF00FF0     (0x0FF00FF0) File Header Long 1
00000006 - 0FF00FF0     (0x0FF00FF0) File Header Long 2
0000000A - 00           (0x00) File Header Zero
0000000B - 0001         (0x0001) Key Length
0000000D - 61 0031      (key a) Design Name: top_dragon_zynq;UserID=0XFFFFFFFF;Version=2015.4
00000041 - 62 000C      (key b) Part Name: 7z020clg484
00000050 - 63 000B      (key c) Generation Date: 2018/09/28
0000005E - 64 0009      (key d) Generation Time: 10:22:53
0000006A - 65 003DBAFC  (key e) Bitstream Length: 003DBAFC  [0000006F-003DBB6A]
--------------  BITSTREAM  ------------------------
0000006F - FFFFFFFF             Padding
00000073 - FFFFFFFF             Padding
00000077 - FFFFFFFF             Padding
0000007B - FFFFFFFF             Padding
0000007F - FFFFFFFF             Padding
00000083 - FFFFFFFF             Padding
00000087 - FFFFFFFF             Padding
0000008B - FFFFFFFF             Padding
0000008F - 000000BB             Bus width auto detect, word 1
00000093 - 11220044             Bus width auto detect, word 2
00000097 - FFFFFFFF             Padding
0000009B - FFFFFFFF             Padding
0000009F - AA995566             Sync Word (BPI/SPI Mode)
000000A3 - 20000000             T1 - 00000000  NOP      (1x)
000000A7 - 30022001 00000000    T1 W 00000001  TIMER
000000AF - 30020001 00000000    T1 W 00000001  WBSTAR
000000B7 - 30008001 00000000    T1 W 00000001  CMD      NULL - No Operation
000000BF - 20000000             T1 - 00000000  NOP      (1x)
000000C3 - 30008001 00000007    T1 W 00000001  CMD      RCRC - Reset CRC
000000CB - 20000000             T1 - 00000000  NOP      (2x)
000000D3 - 30026001 00000000    T1 W 00000001  FALL_EDGE
000000DB - 30012001 02003FE5    T1 W 00000001  COR0
000000E3 - 3001C001 00000000    T1 W 00000001  COR1
000000EB - 30018001 03727093    T1 W 00000001  IDCODE
000000F3 - 30008001 00000009    T1 W 00000001  CMD      SWITCH - Switch CCLK Frequency
000000FB - 20000000             T1 - 00000000  NOP      (1x)
000000FF - 3000C001 00000401    T1 W 00000001  MASK
00000107 - 3000A001 00000501    T1 W 00000001  CTL0
0000010F - 3000C001 00000000    T1 W 00000001  MASK
00000117 - 30030001 00000000    T1 W 00000001  CTL1
0000011F - 20000000             T1 - 00000000  NOP      (8x)
0000013F - 30002001 00000000    T1 W 00000001  FAR
00000147 - 30008001 00000001    T1 W 00000001  CMD      WCFG - Write Config Data
0000014F - 20000000             T1 - 00000000  NOP      (1x)
00000153 - 30004000             T1 W 00000000  FDRI
00000157 - 500F6C78             T2 W 000F6C78
003DB343 - 20000000             T1 - 00000000  NOP      (2x)
003DB34B - 30008001 0000000A    T1 W 00000001  CMD      GRESTORE - Pulse GRESTORE Signal
003DB353 - 20000000             T1 - 00000000  NOP      (1x)
003DB357 - 30008001 00000003    T1 W 00000001  CMD      DGHIGH/LFRM - Last Frame Write
003DB35F - 20000000             T1 - 00000000  NOP      (100x)
003DB4EF - 30008001 00000005    T1 W 00000001  CMD      START - Begin Startup Sequence
003DB4F7 - 20000000             T1 - 00000000  NOP      (1x)
003DB4FB - 30002001 03BE0000    T1 W 00000001  FAR
003DB503 - 3000C001 00000501    T1 W 00000001  MASK
003DB50B - 3000A001 00000501    T1 W 00000001  CTL0
003DB513 - 30000001 E3AD7EA5    T1 W 00000001  CRC
003DB51B - 20000000             T1 - 00000000  NOP      (2x)
003DB523 - 30008001 0000000D    T1 W 00000001  CMD      DESYNC - Reset DALIGN Signal
003DB52B - 20000000             T1 - 00000000  NOP      (400x)

uImage parsing:
Code: [Select]
00000000                 Magic: 27051956    uImage File OK
00000004         Header CRC-32: 160D89FC  [00000000-0000003F]    CRC OK
00000008               Created: 23-07-2018 09:27:37
0000000C             Data Size: 0030C6F0
00000010     Data Load Address: 00008000
00000014   Entry Point Address: 00008000
00000018           Data CRC-32: 7D30264F  [00000040-0030C72F]    CRC OK
0000001C      Operating System: Linux
0000001D      CPU Architecture: ARM
0000001E                  Type: OS Kernel Image
0000001F           Compression: None
00000020                  Name: Linux-3.19.1-xilinx-svn33403
00000040 - Image 0 [00000040-0030C72F]  0030C6F0 bytes
        000041AF - (Probable) GZIP block starts at this position!

Taken from the .app code (shows most of the ICs used):
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  dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("fpga", write_fpga_register, read_fpga_register);
  dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("cpld", write_cpld_register, read_cpld_register);
  dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("ad5446", write_ad5446_register, read_ad5446_register);
  dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("ad5660", write_ad5660_register, read_ad5660_register);
  dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("ad5660_i", write_i_ad5660_register, read_i_ad5660_register);
  dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("ad5660_q", write_q_ad5660_register, read_q_ad5660_register);
  dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("ad9122", write_ad9122_register, read_ad9122_register);
  dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("adc121", write_adc121s101_register, read_adc121s101_register);
  dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("hmc703", write_hmc703_register, read_hmc703_register);
  dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("lmk04806", write_lmk04806_register, read_lmk04806_register);
  dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("m25p40", write_flash, read_flash);
  dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("cpld_iq", write_iq_cpld_register, read_iq_cpld_register);
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2018, 10:25:39 am »
Option licensing procedures:

SSG3000X = SSA3000X
 
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2018, 05:21:45 pm »
What about the E-SafeNet at this time?
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2018, 08:38:12 pm »
What about the E-SafeNet at this time?

I've seen it but it's a sample < 1024 bytes. If you know of any other Siglent Safenet file I might try its key. But, with only this one, it's impossible (due to the size) to discover the key.
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2019, 09:30:55 am »
New tool.  :)
Quick screenshot taken with SSA3032X externally 10 MHz referenced to SSG3021X 10 MHz OUT.

2.1 GHz @ 0dB
N-N cable 6 GHz

1 MHz SPAN = yellow
100 Hz SPAN = cyan


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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2019, 08:45:37 pm »
Defpom takes a look at the base model SSG3021X 2.1 GHz RF gen.

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2019, 10:34:21 pm »
Interestingly, the same Zync module gets used as in the SDG6000X series. I guess we can expect more intruments to be released by Siglent with this main control unit.
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2019, 09:31:20 am »
New Firmware for SSG3000X models.

http://old.siglentamerica.com/USA_website_2014/Firmware&Software/firmware/SSG3000X_V1.0.3.1.19R2_EN.zip

Version: V1.0.3.1.19R2
30.5 MB

Changelog
1. Add the function of flatness, new version provide two types to fill the flatness table. One is automatically with the power sensor or according to set the frequency step or the points to fill the flatness table
2、 Add function of adjust reference accuracy
3、 Solution some bugs of pulse train function
4、 Optimize the AM performance
5、 Solution some bugs of the FM function
6、 Solution some bugs of the VNC control
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2019, 11:54:02 am »
Has anyone purchased one of these yet?
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2019, 11:57:49 am »
Has anyone purchased one of these yet?
I can tell you the new FW hasn't meddled with the upgrade upgrades.  ;)
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2019, 05:05:55 pm »
I can tell you the new FW hasn't meddled with the upgrade upgrades.  ;)
Can the non-IQ version be upgraded to IQ?
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2019, 07:58:04 pm »
I can tell you the new FW hasn't meddled with the upgrade upgrades.  ;)
Can the non-IQ version be upgraded to IQ?
Sadly no.
The IQ HW is not installed in the 'non IQ' models and Defpom whips the lid off and confirms this.
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2019, 08:21:33 pm »
No IQ upgrade. Just BW.
 
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2019, 07:25:18 am »
No IQ upgrade. Just BW.

Hi I'm going to buy a SSG3021X and I wanted to ask if you can indicate me step by step the procedure to upgrade to the 3.2 GHz version ....
thanks a lot

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2019, 10:33:12 am »
I can tell you the new FW hasn't meddled with the upgrade upgrades.  ;)
Can the non-IQ version be upgraded to IQ?
Sadly no.
The IQ HW is not installed in the 'non IQ' models and Defpom whips the lid off and confirms this.
Has anyone used the IQ modulation on these RF generators? Does it work? Someone has asked me to look into an RF generator with IQ modulation and I'm trying to compile a short list.
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2019, 12:33:00 pm »
I can tell you the new FW hasn't meddled with the upgrade upgrades.  ;)
Can the non-IQ version be upgraded to IQ?
Sadly no.
The IQ HW is not installed in the 'non IQ' models and Defpom whips the lid off and confirms this.
Has anyone used the IQ modulation on these RF generators? Does it work? Someone has asked me to look into an RF generator with IQ modulation and I'm trying to compile a short list.
When you look at the pricing structure for the IQ equipped models I do wonder if the cheaper and certainly more capable option is to pair the SSG3kX base model with an IQ equipped SDG6022X.

Something you might want to ponder on.
Jump over to the SDG6kX thread and ask owners about IQ capability:
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2019, 12:35:49 pm »
AFAIK to generate an IQ modulated signal you need a dual channel function generation and an RF generation which has an IQ modulator. Come to think of it... an R&S SMIQ might do the job too.
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2019, 12:41:08 pm »
AFAIK to generate an IQ modulated signal you need a dual channel function generation and an RF generation which has an IQ modulator. Come to think of it... an R&S SMIQ might do the job too.
Yep, in the absence of the internal SDG3kX IQ HW option they do this:



Defpom lifted the lid on mine in the vid linked on the previous page but the IQ HW is not installed in the base models.
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2019, 12:42:47 pm »
That solution is getting rather expensive and as usual I'm wary of bugs especially when it comes to equipment which serve a niche market. I really need to propose a tried & tested solution so I'm still hoping someone with hands-on experience generating IQ modulated signals can chime in.
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2019, 12:51:53 pm »
That solution is getting rather expensive and as usual I'm wary of bugs especially when it comes to equipment which serve a niche market. I really need to propose a tried & tested solution so I'm still hoping someone with hands-on experience generating IQ modulated signals can chime in.
Sure I get that but do the sums vs SSG plus IQ and then compare what you have for the outlay, a SSG that can be improved  ;) plus a well featured 16 bit AWG that can also be improved.  ;)

Like I mentioned, jump over to the SDG6kX thread and see who's using IQ in them.

Further info, it seems you need a PC connected to SDG6kX to do IQ.
http://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2017/12/SDG6000X_UserManual_UM0206X-E01A.pdf
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2.3 To Set IQ Waveform (Optional)
The SDG6000X can be used as an IQ waveform generator, providing ASK, PSK, QAM, FSK, MSK and multi-tone signals. The EasyIQ software is necessary when using SDG6000X to generate an IQ waveform. The EasyIQ is a PC program used to download IQ baseband waveform data to the SDG6000X through a USB or LAN device interface.


EasyIQ PC program is free for download from the SDG6kX Software page on Siglent websites:
https://siglentna.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/waveform-generators/#sdg6000x-series
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2019, 10:34:56 am »

AFAIK to generate an IQ modulated signal you need a dual channel function generation and an RF generation which has an IQ modulator. Come to think of it... an R&S SMIQ might do the job too.

Depends on how fast your IQ has to go, and how fast your AWG is. You can have an AWG output an IQ signal around a non-DC carrier, and then mix it in a simple AM-modulation signal generator.



Further info, it seems you need a PC connected to SDG6kX to do IQ.
http://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2017/12/SDG6000X_UserManual_UM0206X-E01A.pdf
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That is a real downer. There are some basic things which a generator such as this should be able to generate built-in (basic QAM/QPSK/OOK/etc modulations with simple PRBS lengths, for instance). I use these types of measurements a lot, and needing to get out a computer everytime would be somewhat annoying.
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2019, 11:09:35 am »

AFAIK to generate an IQ modulated signal you need a dual channel function generation and an RF generation which has an IQ modulator. Come to think of it... an R&S SMIQ might do the job too.
Depends on how fast your IQ has to go, and how fast your AWG is. You can have an AWG output an IQ signal around a non-DC carrier, and then mix it in a simple AM-modulation signal generator.
Not extremely fast. It is for a very basic proof of concept.
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« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2019, 11:51:04 am »

AFAIK to generate an IQ modulated signal you need a dual channel function generation and an RF generation which has an IQ modulator. Come to think of it... an R&S SMIQ might do the job too.
Depends on how fast your IQ has to go, and how fast your AWG is. You can have an AWG output an IQ signal around a non-DC carrier, and then mix it in a simple AM-modulation signal generator.
Not extremely fast. It is for a very basic proof of concept.

What carrier frequency you need? With Siglent SD6000X  you can combine channels in gen and get everything right from the gen if 200, 350 or 500 MHz carrier is good enough. Also you can get I/Q modulator as separate component and feed it I/Q from SDG6000X and carrier from LO, that can be whatever you have....
 

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« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2019, 11:52:54 am »
Unfortunately the carrier needs to be much higher in the 800MHz to 1GHz range (can't go into specifics). Also the experiences of Turbotom with the SDG6000 are not giving me a warm & fuzzy feeling. Right now I'm thinking an SDG2000 and a used RF generator with IQ modulator should be able to do it. From there I expect the project to move to a real radio transmitter quickly so it doesn't make sense to invest a whole lot in getting IQ modulated signals from a test setup.
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« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2019, 12:31:50 pm »
Unfortunately the carrier needs to be much higher in the 800MHz to 1GHz range (can't go into specifics). Also the experiences of Turbotom with the SDG6000 are not giving me a warm & fuzzy feeling. Right now I'm thinking an SDG2000 and a used RF generator with IQ modulator should be able to do it. From there I expect the project to move to a real radio transmitter quickly so it doesn't make sense to invest a whole lot in getting IQ modulated signals from a test setup.
Fair enough..

If it means anything to you,most of the bugs initially found are fixed, U/I had some improvements, I/Q was also improved. Most of the problems are with fast pulses, AWG and I/Q seems OK.
If you want, I can run a specific test to see if that works.  Just send me PM.

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2019, 12:32:54 pm »
Unfortunately the carrier needs to be much higher in the 800MHz to 1GHz range (can't go into specifics). Also the experiences of Turbotom with the SDG6000 are not giving me a warm & fuzzy feeling. Right now I'm thinking an SDG2000 and a used RF generator with IQ modulator should be able to do it. From there I expect the project to move to a real radio transmitter quickly so it doesn't make sense to invest a whole lot in getting IQ modulated signals from a test setup.
Fair enough..

If it means anything to you,most of the bugs initially found are fixed, U/I had some improvements, I/Q was also improved. Most of the problems are with fast pulses, AWG and I/Q seems OK.
If you want, I can run a specific test to see if that works.  Just send me PM.
Thank you. I'll keep that in mind.  :-+
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2019, 01:24:15 pm »
For a POC, you could use an eval board: I've used the ADRF6755 eval board with its partner USB/SPI interface with its software front end. If you're brave you can puch the SPI interface yourself, although it depends how much you value your time second guessing against purchasing the $49 USB partner board.

This includes combined LO and IQ mixer for upconversion/modulation, and will generate a carrier from 100MHz to 2.4GHz, with ~8dBm P1dB. Baseband bandwidth 600MHz, if you can find an application that needs it!

It was about three years ago I last used one, and the underlying parts did find their way onto a real product. There may be more modern equivalents.

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« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2019, 03:49:45 pm »
The ADALM-Pluto could also be a low-cost option, especially since already some software solutions are available that may suit your specific requirements.
 

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« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2020, 12:36:32 pm »
OP updated with new release SSG5000X info
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2020, 08:00:58 am »
New firmware for SSG3000X models.

Version: V1.0.3.1.19R5
32.7 MB

https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Radio_Frequency_Signal_Source/SSG3000X_1.0.3.1.19R5_EN.zip

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1. Fix a bug for power meter function
2. Fix a bug for power meter filling flatness
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2020, 06:07:23 pm »
Has anybody on this forum purchased on of these yet??

What’s your ‘first hand’ experience – are you a happy puppy ???

Also can someone explain (tautech?) what is the difference / meaning of

Level setting  vs. Level of performance

From Siglent data sheet we have …

Level setting range
9 kHz≤f<100 kHz -110 dBm~+9 dBm
100 kHz≤f<1 MHz -110 dBm~+15 dBm
1 MHz≤f≤3.2 GHz -110 dBm~+20 dBm

Level of performance range
9 kHz≤f<100 kHz -110 dBm~+7 dBm
100 kHz≤f<1 MHz -110 dBm~+10 dBm
1 MHz≤f≤3.2 GHz -110 dBm~+13 dBm 

Correct me if I'm wrong ...

Dores this mean I can 'dial-up' +20dBm on the interface

BUT

the device is likely to produce an output of +13 dBm (guaranteed)

Not sure how the above Specification / feature should be interpreted

I certainly would love to have a +20dBm guaranteed output level  :P
 

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« Reply #42 on: June 29, 2020, 08:46:45 pm »
Setting vs Level is controlled with an external power sensor to null the impact of cables and adapters at distance from the RF source so to keep output within spec and level over its frequency range. Normal for this type of equipment AFAIK.
Have a read of 2.7 Power Sensor in the User manual.
http://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2018/12/SSG3000X_UserManual_UM0803X_E01A.pdf

I have the SSG3021X (improved) if there's anything you want to see.
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« Reply #43 on: June 29, 2020, 10:04:17 pm »
I have the SSG3021X (improved) if there's anything you want to see.

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« Reply #44 on: June 29, 2020, 10:07:09 pm »
I have the SSG3021X (improved) if there's anything you want to see.

What improvements do you have, tautech?
Those you supplied.  ;)
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« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2020, 01:09:47 am »

I have the SSG3021X (improved) if there's anything you want to see.

Would be nice to see what the MAX dBm level you get on a CW signal at 100MHz, 1GHz and (if enhanced) 3GHz as 'seen on a SSA3032x Plus??

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2020, 09:48:51 pm »

I have the SSG3021X (improved) if there's anything you want to see.

Would be nice to see what the MAX dBm level you get on a CW signal at 100MHz, 1GHz and (if enhanced) 3GHz as 'seen on a SSA3032x Plus??

Thank You  :)
Here you go.
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SSG3021X 3032X displays a red Unlevel warning when set to 20 dBm output like in this image from a Siglent webpage:
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« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2020, 02:10:31 am »

Here you go.
Both instruments cold and without external frequency reference. SSG running on previous FW.
10 dB attenuator fitted to SVA3032X input. Siglent 6 GHz rated N-N cable.



Thank You :)

Not sure what happened with the Frequency accuracy on the low end to high end with respect to the output level ??

98.1333 MHz is most likely outside its spec?? when dialling-up 100MHz even if the device is 'running cold' - would have expected better Frequency accuracy  :-\

Having said that - we are assuming the SVA is doing its job and reporting the correct Marker frequencies  :P

Reason for the wide Frequencies test was to see precisely that - if the device is linier with respect to output level within its specified frequency range.

One of my most important requirements is to have a 'trusted signal source' both in frequency and output level - as I most likely will be using the signal generator in the field without access to a 'second' instrument (like an SSA) to verify the quality of the RF signal  :-[

Maybe there is a more accurate test to verify these parameters  ???
 

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« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2020, 03:10:47 am »

Here you go.
Both instruments cold and without external frequency reference. SSG running on previous FW.
10 dB attenuator fitted to SVA3032X input. Siglent 6 GHz rated N-N cable.



Thank You :)

Not sure what happened with the Frequency accuracy on the low end to high end with respect to the output level ??

98.1333 MHz is most likely outside its spec?? when dialling-up 100MHz even if the device is 'running cold' - would have expected better Frequency accuracy  :-\

Having said that - we are assuming the SVA is doing its job and reporting the correct Marker frequencies  :P

Reason for the wide Frequencies test was to see precisely that - if the device is linear with respect to output level within its specified frequency range.
Now you're addressing 2 parameters, frequency and amplitude accuracy.

Let's examine each result in this case.
For me to report frequency accuracy I had 3 options:
1. Exactly as measured with cold instruments and unreferenced. Both mentioned.
2. Cheat. Link both instruments via their 10 MHz BNC's and then they would agree even if the frequency results weren't accurate to a real world measurement.
3. Connect both to an external 10 MHz ref.......I don't possess one !  :P

So you got an honest screenshot and with qualified conditions........something too often missing on this forum.
I did use a Peak marker although I agree the frequency measurement is hardly ideal however I thought your primary interest was amplitude level flatness.

Amplitude accuracy.
Back a few posts you asked about: Level setting vs Level of performance
The screenshot results and associated comments explain this, along with the Datasheet spec and User manual.
To obtain flatter response a power level control sensor is required and SSG models support a few types. RTFM.  ;)

So if we need a guaranteed flatness of output we have 2 options, use the SSG at frequencies where flatness is specified to 'Level accuracy ≤0.7 dB (typ.)' or connect a power level sensor, for which level accuracy will then depend on the sensors spec.

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« Reply #49 on: July 02, 2020, 03:43:48 am »

Here you go.
Both instruments cold and without external frequency reference. SSG running on previous FW.
10 dB attenuator fitted to SVA3032X input. Siglent 6 GHz rated N-N cable.



Thank You :)

Not sure what happened with the Frequency accuracy on the low end to high end with respect to the output level ??

98.1333 MHz is most likely outside its spec?? when dialling-up 100MHz even if the device is 'running cold' - would have expected better Frequency accuracy  :-\

Having said that - we are assuming the SVA is doing its job and reporting the correct Marker frequencies  :P

Reason for the wide Frequencies test was to see precisely that - if the device is linear with respect to output level within its specified frequency range.
Now you're addressing 2 parameters, frequency and amplitude accuracy.

Let's examine each result in this case.
For me to report frequency accuracy I had 3 options:
1. Exactly as measured with cold instruments and unreferenced. Both mentioned.
2. Cheat. Link both instruments via their 10 MHz BNC's and then they would agree even if the frequency results weren't accurate to a real world measurement.
3. Connect both to an external 10 MHz ref.......I don't possess one !  :P

So you got an honest screenshot and with qualified conditions........something too often missing on this forum.
I did use a Peak marker although I agree the frequency measurement is hardly ideal however I thought your primary interest was amplitude level flatness.

Amplitude accuracy.
Back a few posts you asked about: Level setting vs Level of performance
The screenshot results and associated comments explain this, along with the Datasheet spec and User manual.
To obtain flatter response a power level control sensor is required and SSG models support a few types. RTFM.  ;)

So if we need a guaranteed flatness of output we have 2 options, use the SSG at frequencies where flatness is specified to 'Level accuracy ≤0.7 dB (typ.)' or connect a power level sensor, for which level accuracy will then depend on the sensors spec.



Tautech

First of all thank you once again for your prompt response  :)

Yes you are an honest broker – so your comments about the measurements you did are welcomed with respect  :-+

Although my main concerns are Amplitude accuracy – I can accept a calibration offset (something which can be corrected like the power coupler Siglent has as an option) but having a big drift in amplitude vs. frequency is far more difficult to control as making a perfectly linear RF signal generator is not an easy task.


Most of the RF signal generators seem to have amplitude responses < 20dBm

– so to get accurate figures at this level would not be easy as is already indicated in the specifications data.

The fact that it goes to 20dBm is a bonus

– but reproducible accuracy throughout the frequency band is not something one would expect – as you have confirmed.


I did have a close look at the review Defpom posted on the SSG3021X you loaned to him.

It was good to have a quick look inside the unit – to see the build quality.

I am not sure if the unit you made the tests on just now – was the same unit?

I ask, because I am also not sure if the unit in the review video was an early production device – if so perhaps there might be some reasons (HW or FW) for the ‘cold’ frequency offset - if indeed this was the SSG and NOT the SVA which was measuring  :-\
 
What made me think the above – was the multitude of scratch marks on the internal chassis that the mainboard was mounted inside the SSG.

When Defpom ‘opened the sealed unit’ – I could not believe the multitude of scratches inside.

Yeah – I know it makes no difference to the operation of the device – but I guess it’s some reflection on Siglent’s quality control.

That’s why I suspect that the review unit must have been from a pre full production run??


Anyway, with all factors aside, the SSG is certainly a nice bit of kit

– it sure is a handy device and VERY functional.


I like that it has an EXTERNAL modulation input (the competition, Rigol device has same)…


This is VERY HANDY for those involved with FM Radio RF amplifier design.

You can easily introduce a Stereo Encoder to generate external stereo signal with the 19KHz pilot as well as an RDS encoder into the external modulation input

– this will give you a FULL FM broadcast signal for testing FM receivers with modulation  :)


 

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« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2020, 09:29:22 am »

Here you go.
Both instruments cold and without external frequency reference. SSG running on previous FW.
10 dB attenuator fitted to SVA3032X input. Siglent 6 GHz rated N-N cable.



Thank You :)

Not sure what happened with the Frequency accuracy on the low end to high end with respect to the output level ??

98.1333 MHz is most likely outside its spec?? when dialling-up 100MHz even if the device is 'running cold' - would have expected better Frequency accuracy  :-\

Having said that - we are assuming the SVA is doing its job and reporting the correct Marker frequencies  :P

Reason for the wide Frequencies test was to see precisely that - if the device is linear with respect to output level within its specified frequency range.
Now you're addressing 2 parameters, frequency and amplitude accuracy.

Let's examine each result in this case.
For me to report frequency accuracy I had 3 options:
1. Exactly as measured with cold instruments and unreferenced. Both mentioned.
2. Cheat. Link both instruments via their 10 MHz BNC's and then they would agree even if the frequency results weren't accurate to a real world measurement.
3. Connect both to an external 10 MHz ref.......I don't possess one !  :P

So you got an honest screenshot and with qualified conditions........something too often missing on this forum.
I did use a Peak marker although I agree the frequency measurement is hardly ideal however I thought your primary interest was amplitude level flatness.

Amplitude accuracy.
Back a few posts you asked about: Level setting vs Level of performance
The screenshot results and associated comments explain this, along with the Datasheet spec and User manual.
To obtain flatter response a power level control sensor is required and SSG models support a few types. RTFM.  ;)

So if we need a guaranteed flatness of output we have 2 options, use the SSG at frequencies where flatness is specified to 'Level accuracy ≤0.7 dB (typ.)' or connect a power level sensor, for which level accuracy will then depend on the sensors spec.



Tautech

First of all thank you once again for your prompt response  :)

Yes you are an honest broker – so your comments about the measurements you did are welcomed with respect  :-+

Although my main concerns are Amplitude accuracy – I can accept a calibration offset (something which can be corrected like the power coupler Siglent has as an option) but having a big drift in amplitude vs. frequency is far more difficult to control as making a perfectly linear RF signal generator is not an easy task.


Most of the RF signal generators seem to have amplitude responses < 20dBm

– so to get accurate figures at this level would not be easy as is already indicated in the specifications data.

The fact that it goes to 20dBm is a bonus

– but reproducible accuracy throughout the frequency band is not something one would expect – as you have confirmed.


I did have a close look at the review Defpom posted on the SSG3021X you loaned to him.

It was good to have a quick look inside the unit – to see the build quality.

I am not sure if the unit you made the tests on just now – was the same unit?
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I ask, because I am also not sure if the unit in the review video was an early production device – if so perhaps there might be some reasons (HW or FW) for the ‘cold’ frequency offset - if indeed this was the SSG and NOT the SVA which was measuring  :-\
 
What made me think the above – was the multitude of scratch marks on the internal chassis that the mainboard was mounted inside the SSG.

When Defpom ‘opened the sealed unit’ – I could not believe the multitude of scratches inside.

Yeah – I know it makes no difference to the operation of the device – but I guess it’s some reflection on Siglent’s quality control.

That’s why I suspect that the review unit must have been from a pre full production run??
Maybe, it's a low SN# from not long after release.
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Anyway, with all factors aside, the SSG is certainly a nice bit of kit

– it sure is a handy device and VERY functional.


I like that it has an EXTERNAL modulation input (the competition, Rigol device has same)…


This is VERY HANDY for those involved with FM Radio RF amplifier design.

You can easily introduce a Stereo Encoder to generate external stereo signal with the 19KHz pilot as well as an RDS encoder into the external modulation input

– this will give you a FULL FM broadcast signal for testing FM receivers with modulation  :)
I revisited the SSG 100 MHz frequency inaccuracy today wanting to investigate if it's a real problem or not and the findings may surprise you in that the issue has SFA to do with the SSG but instead SVA frequency inaccuracies at a full 3.2 GHz sweep.  :o A 10 MHz reference might fix this IDK.

Again, test conditions.
Cold instruments with no external references, Siglent 10 dB attenuator on SVA and 6 GHz rated N-N cable.
Now with a 500 MHz Span set that would be more reasonable for inspecting a SSG 100 MHz signal the frequency and amplitude are exactly as specifications prescribe.  :phew:

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2020, 09:52:52 am »

I revisited the SSG 100 MHz frequency inaccuracy today wanting to investigate if it's a real problem or not and the findings may surprise you in that the issue has SFA to do with the SSG but instead SVA frequency inaccuracies at a full 3.2 GHz sweep.  :o A 10 MHz reference might fix this IDK.

Again, test conditions.
Cold instruments with no external references, Siglent 10 dB attenuator on SVA and 6 GHz rated N-N cable.
Now with a 500 MHz Span set that would be more reasonable for inspecting a SSG 100 MHz signal the frequency and amplitude are exactly as specifications prescribe.  :phew:



That's great  :)

I suspected that something is not right - my gut tells me the SSG - especially at 100Mhz cannot have such a big discrepancy.

I guess trying to normalize the marker(s) frequencies in the SVA over such a large span - might cause inaccuracies.

Remember ...

2MHz at 100MHz represents 2% error
2MHz at 3GHz represents 0.06% error

Not sure how the SVA calculates marker frequencies in such a large span - there must be some normalization taking place to help with the maths??

But yeah .. something to be mindful about - for accuracy in frequency readings - reduce the analysis span for sure  ;)
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #52 on: July 08, 2020, 03:47:16 am »

Defpom lifted the lid on mine in the vid linked on the previous page but the IQ HW is not installed in the base models.

What is the actual IQ HW in the IQ models?

Is it - a logic board and connectors - or just connections to the external interface and appropriately enabled software to handle these signals?

Just curious if an 'enhanced' SSG3021x with the HW addition of the external connectors could be driven with SDG6032x to provide full IQ functionality :-\
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #53 on: July 08, 2020, 03:51:51 am »

Defpom lifted the lid on mine in the vid linked on the previous page but the IQ HW is not installed in the base models.

What is the actual IQ HW in the IQ models?

Is it - a logic board and connectors - or just connections to the external interface and appropriately enabled software to handle these signals?

Just curious if an 'enhanced' SSG3021x with the HW addition of the external connectors could be driven with SDG6032x to provide full IQ functionality :-\
From the SSG3000X webpage:
External IQ modulation with SDG6000X as the baseband IQ signal

But, this requires the SDG6000X to have the IQ option enabled.
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #54 on: July 08, 2020, 04:05:13 am »

From the SSG3000X webpage:
External IQ modulation with SDG6000X as the baseband IQ signal

But, this requires the SDG6000X to have the IQ option enabled.

OK .. then this makes more sense now  :)

If we need external modulation - then the 'non IQ' variant of the SSA3000X could be enhanced to be an IQ model - by virtue that at this moment in time Siglent has not deployed any IQ HW to reside inside the SSA

- other than the external IQ connections and associated internal cables??



 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #55 on: July 08, 2020, 04:52:58 am »

From the SSG3000X webpage:
External IQ modulation with SDG6000X as the baseband IQ signal

But, this requires the SDG6000X to have the IQ option enabled.

OK .. then this makes more sense now  :)

If we need external modulation - then the 'non IQ' variant of the SSA SSG3000X could be enhanced to be an IQ model - by virtue that at this moment in time Siglent has not deployed any IQ HW to reside inside the SSA

- other than the external IQ connections and associated internal cables??
This is where you need look hard at actual instrument requirements and price the options carefully.

Basic SSG3000X and SGD6000X or SSG3000X-IQE model.

Basic and SDG6000X (with IQ option) allows for a much more versatile total package IMO.

Correction below from TurboTom
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #56 on: July 08, 2020, 10:25:51 am »
@tautech: I'm not sure if this is correct. If I understand the SSG user manual correctly, in order to generate an IQ modulated RF output, you anyway need to supply an external IQ baseband signal (i.e. using the SDG6000X with IQ option) and use the IQ-Enabled version of the SSG3000X.

The IQE version apparently contains more additional hardware than just a pair of wires that run the in-phase and quadrature baseband signals to the existing motherboard of the SSG.

If someone is looking for generating IQ modulated RF signals with lab gear on a "budget (...)  ;)", he may be better off with the Rigol DSG800 series which is considerably less expensive in the "A" (IQ-Enabled) version than the competing Siglent generators. Other features not compared so YMMV.
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #57 on: July 08, 2020, 10:47:24 am »
@tautech: I'm not sure if this is correct. If I understand the SSG user manual correctly, in order to generate an IQ modulated RF output, you anyway need to supply an external IQ baseband signal (i.e. using the SDG6000X with IQ option) and use the IQ-Enabled version of the SSG3000X.

The IQE version apparently contains more additional hardware than just a pair of wires that run the in-phase and quadrature baseband signals to the existing motherboard of the SSG.

If someone is looking for generating IQ modulated RF signals with lab gear on a "budget (...)  ;)", he may be better off with the Rigol DSG800 series which is considerably less expensive in the "A" (IQ-Enabled) version than the competing Siglent generators. Other features not compared so YMMV.
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AFAIK you're correct. You need SDG6000X with IQ option and IQ-Enabled version of the SSG3000X.

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2020, 12:12:02 pm »
Here is a good 'hands-on' and the pros / cons of the SDG6000X - check out @ 1hour 2 minutes (1:02:00) into the video - and in particular @ 1:06:15 - where its shown that ANY RF signal generator with appropriate IQ modulator such as one used in video

https://www.craneae.com/Products/Microwave/ApplicationNotes/Modulators.pdf

 and an ARB IQ source could be used for IQ test regimes  ;)



 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2020, 01:43:45 pm »
AFAIK you're correct. You need SDG6000X with IQ option and IQ-Enabled version of the SSG3000X.

That seems expensive...  :(

Rigol seems a much better option in $$$ terms.
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2020, 01:53:56 pm »


AFAIK you're correct. You need SDG6000X with IQ option and IQ-Enabled version of the SSG3000X.

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Yes sorry guys.
P11 of the datasheet explains requirements.
http://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2018/11/SSG3000X_Datasheet_DS0803X_E01B.pdf

AFAIK you're correct. You need SDG6000X with IQ option and IQ-Enabled version of the SSG3000X.

That seems expensive...  :(

Rigol seems a much better option in $$$ terms.
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2020, 02:17:26 pm »

AFAIK you're correct. You need SDG6000X with IQ option and IQ-Enabled version of the SSG3000X.

That seems expensive...  :(

Rigol seems a much better option in $$$ terms.
norepy wanted the 20dB output capability.

Yes, but there are other devices which all have 20dbm capability  ;)

I think tv was referring to the IQ options available via Siglent as being expensive  :-\

For the cost of a SSG3021X (IQ enabled) AND SDG6000X - you can buy an integrated IQ enabled RF Sig Gen + have some change for  :popcorn:
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2020, 02:23:59 pm »

For the cost of a SSG3021X (IQ enabled) AND SDG6000X - you can buy an integrated IQ enabled RF Sig Gen + have some change for  :popcorn:
SDG6052X already can do 500 MHz IQ.

I don't have mine here to try some stuff to show you unfortunately as it's with a buddy trying out the IQ on a SSA3075X-R.  8)
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #63 on: July 08, 2020, 02:39:09 pm »
Let's do some math to check if I'm doing something wrong.

In order to have RF with IQ modulation (2.1GHz):

SSG3021X IQ (5000€) + SDG6022X (1520€) = 6520€

Rigol (2.1GHz):
Rigol DSG821A (with IQ included) = 4000€

If this is correct I would say SSG3021X IQ is overpriced! Am I right?
 
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #64 on: July 08, 2020, 04:22:39 pm »
True -- I didn't even notice that the DSG800A series offers an internal baseband generator so it can be used as a stand-alone source of an IQ-modulated RF signal. If configured like that, it will output the baseband signal at the corresponding ports at the back of the instrument. Likewise to other Rigol generators, the connectivity is superb and considerably better than Siglent's offerings can provide.

As it appears, Rigol's DSG800 series is capable of +20dbm output level as well, even though not specified. If this is the case for all models of the line and over the full bandwidth, is yet to be evaluated.

Considering that the SSG3021X-IQE can probably be up-hacked into the SSG3032X-IQE model, may make Siglent's offer appear more attractive, but since this class of instruments will rather be purchased by "professionals", hacking options are less likely to affect the decision making. If Rigol's 2.1GHz version can be "improved" to the full-bore 3.6GHz model is something I'ld rather doubt.
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #65 on: July 08, 2020, 04:41:09 pm »
Considering that the SSG3021X-IQE can probably be up-hacked into the SSG3032X-IQE model,

Can't. Been there.   |O   Yes, it can!   (Been there with a non-IQ version.) 

If Rigol's 2.1GHz version can be "improved" to the full-bore 3.6GHz model is something I'ld rather doubt.

That would make it even more interesting. Let's see if any DSG volunteer comes up.  ;)
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #66 on: July 09, 2020, 10:50:44 am »
A look inside SSG, compiled from service manual, showing just the Control Board and the extra IQ Module.
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #67 on: July 09, 2020, 02:56:16 pm »
Nice find tv  :clap:

Now we need similar 'inside the box' pics for the Rigol DSG800A series ;)
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #68 on: July 09, 2020, 03:18:43 pm »
Noreply far to many  ;) smiles, reminds me of a certain internet forum personality from the north of England  :-DD
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #69 on: July 09, 2020, 04:01:43 pm »
Noreply far to many  ;) smiles, reminds me of a certain internet forum personality from the north of England  :-DD

You can blame Dave for the lack of appropriate Emoji's for me to use

I just feel 'naked' without ending a sentence without an emoji , and the 'smile' was the least offending I guess

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #70 on: December 28, 2020, 07:11:39 am »
New firmware for SSG5000X models

Version: V1.1.1.2.4
https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Radio_Frequency_Signal_Source/SSG5000X_V1.1.1.2.4_EN.zip
37.5 MB


Release notes
Fix: The UI was not updated in time when the power meter was pulled out.
Fix: GPIB Address can not be changed.
Fix: The mouse is hidden under VNC.
Fix: Some wrong SCPI commands were executed.
Optimize function with OCXO module.
Optimize power meter function.

Following not publicly released however included in this latest FW update.
Version V1.1.1.2.2
2020/09/02
Fix: Some power meter related SCPI commands do not work
Fix: UI cannot be set without IQ board
Version V1.1.1.2.1
2020/08/17   
Optimize an overshoot signal generated when ALC is off.
Changing the offset range of multicarrier.
Optimizing the process of multicarrier generation.
Add a prompt box when using remote mode.
Use new license generation scheme
Version V1.1.1.1.9c
2020/06/18   
Fix: There is a probability that white screen will appear after power on.
Fix: AWGN State no reset.
The IQ board detection only needs detection once.

Version V1.1.1.1.9a
2020/5/14   The first released
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #71 on: December 28, 2020, 11:05:49 am »
Any owner available for a test?

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #72 on: May 24, 2021, 08:57:07 am »
The Signal Path review of SSG5060X-V added to the OP.
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #73 on: July 30, 2021, 07:48:46 pm »
New firmware for SSG5000X models.

Version: V1.1.1.2.5
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4. Fix: Some problems about LAN setting, VNC
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #74 on: March 31, 2023, 11:58:41 am »
here's my take on my first labview project  to control this puppy

Basic Frequency control  no  Am Fm ...

And Pulse generation ...


From Siglent labview demo,   there is one at NI too

My coding skill sucks ....  don't ask for more  loll 

Ni Visa stuff need to be installed too ...
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #75 on: March 31, 2023, 03:51:58 pm »
Reworked some buttons sizes

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #76 on: April 13, 2023, 02:36:35 pm »
oh  received questions

the original  siglent labview files : SSG-X-series-Labview-Driver-V2.0.zip     available at their instrument download ...
the zipped   VI  My Project file put there : SSG-X-series-Labview-Driver-V2.0\Public\Configure


OR The one who contain everything : SSG-X-series-Labview-Driver-V2.0 - 1.zip

You launch : Siglent SSG Series.lvproj   and open the VI   I created

lots of thing to learn and very old tutorials on the web  :--
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #77 on: April 13, 2023, 04:20:54 pm »
It's pretty quiet around the SSG5000X here. What is your experience with the SSG? Is it recommended? The so-called A-brands are clearly more expensive than the Siglent
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #78 on: April 13, 2023, 08:36:55 pm »
Its good for the use i have at my job,  to go into the very low db outputs,   -110 db

I use it for very short pulse generation

Hacked  loll to 3.2 gig output,  but does not have the IQ option board

I wold say works pretty well,  but clumsy touch screen interface in some ways / too small loll .... thats why i tried to build an NI Labview interface, since i play a lot with output levels, the joggle encoder wont survive long

Does the job ... and saved $$$  since hacked  loll

For sure its a big unit,  and may not please audience 


But if an Labview expert is lurking around  loll   PM me

I have a hard time to figure out a few things and or add the AM / FM  options  etc ...   and compile it to an full executable, i dont know if i can get rid of the  NI Labview frontpanel  or have the front panel RUN arrow integrated in the software GUI ???
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #79 on: October 12, 2023, 07:04:49 pm »
New firmware for SSG3000X models

Version: V1.0.3.1.21
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https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Radio_Frequency_Signal_Source/SSG3000X_V1.0.3.1.21_EN.zip

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #80 on: October 13, 2023, 11:32:14 pm »
Update successful without issues so far.

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #81 on: May 23, 2024, 03:04:02 pm »
hi @all

tried to "hack" a new ssg3021x  received yesterday, and alas  i did not took notes on this one, i can not make it work again  |O |O :palm:


here's is the main.py  i've tried,   with an added 30M, 2100M, 3200M,  and 21BW32 option(s)  not sure if they placed at the right option lines  ....

tried with the sn only, or both  sn and scopeid ... no avail


MCBD?    reports nothing on theses models

MD5_SRLN? and  MD5_PR?   works fine

HELP ?


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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #82 on: May 23, 2024, 06:17:14 pm »
"SSG3000X", "3200", "TRAI", "INQU", "POWE", "PULS"
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #83 on: May 24, 2024, 12:22:00 am »
oh  damn  never tought of theses, or never knew, can't even recall i used this ???  or you where the helper TV84 

Since MCBD?   request are not working

Is there other ways thru scpi  to request installed licenses, to do a cross check  like other instruments ??


ill answer tomorrow  for the BW upgrade

thks once again
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #84 on: May 24, 2024, 10:47:43 am »
not working ....    '3200'  or '3200M'   'MAX'     this one is resisting all attempts


edited python script to reflect what i've tried

empty SCOPEID or the same as SN,  nothing worked
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #85 on: May 24, 2024, 04:57:30 pm »
ok  for the scripts

lots of conflicting infos

SCOPE ID / HOST ID     scripts versions    etc ....  capital or lowercase  entries  etc ...  there is a few floating around the web

here's the one ive found with lots of comments in it, and i added some of my comments,  who worked for me (attached)   some say try the SSA script  ....  it does not work for me, numbers doesn't fit,  i'll retry them later

IT IS A SCOPE SCRIPT ??? or i mess things up again  loll

checked with a few equipment's i had noted their " before and after "   ... but not on 1st SSG3000X  |O |O  and i received help for it.

FOR THE SSG3000X  series  do note,   now i have 2x of them BW upgraded,  they don't respond to MCBD?  commands  and not  MCBD xxxxxxx  when you try to enter unlock numbers, i had to do it thru the front panel.


hope it help a few here, because infos are getting so diluted between threads ... and i'm not god  loll

i have to thank some people here  :-+
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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #86 on: May 28, 2024, 03:37:34 pm »
updated

The 'WIFI' is found at 2 places,  not sure witch is right or wrong,  take this with a grain of salt 

added some text
 

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Re: Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators
« Reply #87 on: June 03, 2024, 06:40:54 pm »
reworked other buttons sizes     ....  totally forgot how to ...  |O  :palm:


you need NI runtime engine ....
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