Hello tautech / Rob,
I want to deliver an important message – but at the same time do not want you to misinterpret or see this message as a negative or personal ‘dig’ at you.
THIS IS NOT ITS PURPOSE and I preface my message with this note especially to make it clear to you that my intentions are honourable and hopefully helpful for you and the community at EEVbog.
I have been an active member on this forum for a relatively short period of time.
During this time I enjoyed making almost 200 posts – it’s nice to be able to learn from others and at the same time share your knowledge and observations.
You must have been on this forum much longer – with almost 18600 posts.
During my short period here, I noticed that you tend to ‘pop-up’ in just about every thread.
Occasionally – you ‘chime-in’ to clarify an ‘open question’ – but most of the time you simply ‘chime-in’ with a comment or observation which has absolutely no value to the thread – but rather than help (which I am sure you want to do) – this type of uninvited ‘chime-in’ does more damage than good.
If you are still with me to this point and not getting a little ‘pissed-off’ – then that’s great – because I wanted you to remember my preface remark – my intentions are honourable and I truly believe that you are a ‘good bloke’ – who’s intentions are also honourable.
Again, this is not intended as a personal ‘dig’ at you – but an observation – from someone ‘new’ – so hopefully this
fresh input will help you be more ‘in-tune’ because sometimes – after 18600 posts you can lose perspective and purpose which I think you have.
My self-imposed forum etiquette is simple.
If I find an interesting topic and decide to ‘read’ some posts, I don’t automatically have a desire or need or compulsion to make a comment. I will only make a comment if I feel it will ADD something POSITIVE to the subject under discussion.
Or, same logic, ask a question – only if it the answer will ADD something positive to the subject under discussion.
OK, now we have some self-imposed guidelines which I like to follow.
Now, let’s have a look at how ‘you appear’ to someone like me (and most likely many many others – who simply choose not to give you feedback) in the type of forum posts you make.
I started this new thread – as a point of focus for anyone interested in the Siglent SSG3021X RF Signal Generator.
I have been very fortunate to be given the opportunity to review this model – for myself – on a sale or return basis.
I could easily just spend a few days – doing my own non structured testing – a bit here , a bit there, check this, check that … until I have a good feel of the instruments performance.
If I like it – I will BUY it – the end!
But rather than go through this ‘privately’ I decided to do this ‘publicly’ – so maybe someone else on this forum could benefit – because they have not been fortunate enough in having a sale or return offer.
My review is not a ‘professional’ laboratory review – with high end test equipment stressing every aspect of the device under test – it’s far from it!
But despite this – I think it’s still going to be useful to many people – who simply want to ‘check it out’ – without the formal methodology of a professional testing lab.
So, I get the device unpacked and start my observations and testing.
At the same time I post my results in this thread – clearly stating in the end – more to come soon …
Shortly after, I am blessed with a well-respected senior forum member rf-loop who ‘chimed-in’ with a comment.
Upon reading the comment – I could not see or understand what rf-loop was trying to warn me about?
Perhaps I did something wrong in my test, or presented some data incorrectly?
Whatever it was – the fact that a respected forum member with far more experience than me (with a name rf-loop – you need to pay attention
) chimed-in with a warning – made me think and check my post.
So I responded to rf-loop – trying to get some more insight in the meaning of his post – but using some etiquette at the same time and not being rude – by
NOT responding with a comment like ‘what’s your problem mate?’ – instead I restated some observations and clarified some photos – just in case rf-loop misinterpreted something before making his comment to me.
Shortly after my response to rf-loop – you ‘chime-in’
BUT, instead of trying to be helpful – and using etiquette – you simply make a snide remark which in my opinion is clearly offensive and if that’s not enough, you then finish with a ‘slap on the face’ with another two remarks – more ‘slaps’ for each cheek
Just in case you can’t see what I am talking about …
LF mixer vs RF mixer so to compare apples with apples not some artificial oranges vs apples.
User error.
Anyways, why compare harmonics between 2 RF gens @ 10 MHz when this is way down in ARB frequencies.
The proper response would be …
I think rf-loop may be thinking that you are using LF input on the Rigol and RF input on the Siglent – hence – any harmonic tests may not be accurate as different mixes are in play.But instead you ‘offend’ by stating …
compare apples with apples not some artificial oranges vs apples.
Then add another …
User error.
And if that’s not enough – yet another (for the kill) ..
Anyways, why compare harmonics between 2 RF gens @ 10 MHz when this is way down in ARB frequencies.
So, rather than come back at you– with my now angry self – and make a rude response, I choose to be polite and in a tong-in-cheek manner respond with a comment that I know will paint you into a corner – making it difficult for you to continue with more offensive comments.
What makes you think that LF was used in EITHER of the devices during the testing?
10MHz was leftover from Frequency check - why not check the ARB levels as well as the GHz levels - this device is specified to work at 10MHz - so why cant it be tested there?
The day is long - so plenty of time to test the GHz
Nobody is selling apples here - we are simply trying to get some measurements - rather than play with some buttons 
Shortly after, you respond with …
Maybe my mistake on reading the DSG 800 display, sorry I'll butt out for now.
Please carry on.
Here is where I have to PAUSE – because – it is at this point that I can be of most help to you.Let’s look closely at your response …
Maybe my mistake on reading the DSG 800 display,
You must of taken time – to ‘study’ all the information (which has not changed – been in front of you all the time) and
now correctly identified what possibly rf-loop could have mistaken.
Here you could have clearly – pointed this out to me IN THE FIRST INSTANCE – alerting me to the possible mistake rf-loop made, but instead you choose to ‘snipe’ and try to score points!
Lets look at the second part of your response ...
sorry I'll butt out for now.Now – you clearly see that you made a mistake – and
PROPS TO YOU – you apologized ‘in small caps’ – a simple ‘
sorry’
You then – before the ink has dried on the ‘sorry’ remark - make another comment …
I'll butt out for now.Here you clearly acknowledge that you HAVE ‘butted-in’ – in a subject that possibly did not need your input i.e. you could have just let rf-loop reply (if he chooses) by himself.
And,
wait for it, you state ..
for now. This once again , clearly indicated that
YOU reserve the right to come back and make more uninvited remarks!
Finally, if the above is already not enough indication of your demeanor, you go on to say …
Please carry on.As if nothing has happened – nothing – and most importantly it’s like ‘permission’ to continue.
Possibly a subconscious remark – possibly knowing (subconsciously) that the above comments did cause offence and perhaps the original poster (me) might not want to continue – so your subconscious tries to validate itself ‘please continue’ and just ignores what happened
OK .. I finished
Now we come to the most important part of this whole post / message to you.Again I must clarify – all of my comments have good intentions behind them – there is no malice – I am doing this publicly rather via a PM because I don’t think there is anything here which is of a ‘private nature’ because everyone can benefit from this observation / comments – not just you.1. You need to take time – read the post IN DETAIL – don’t skim through and just look out for the name ‘Siglent’, decide if there is an implied ‘invitation’ for other members to ‘chime-in’ – if not then don’t do it just for the sake of increasing your forum posts counter.
2. If there is good reason and an implied permission to ‘chime-in’ – do this with etiquette – don’t make tong-in-cheek-remarks (we all do it sometimes – but
you need to refrain from this) and most importantly try to be helpful to the post in question , don’t simply make an unrelated remark – because this , believe it or not, will ‘offend’ (subconsciously) most of the time.
3. Please don’t wave your ‘distributor cap’ – this means don’t talk about any products , prices, features, new models, or ANYTHING ELSE relating to your business. Your only contribution to the post you respond to should be from ‘Rob’ the knowledgeable person and NOT ‘Rob’ the Siglent Distributor. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ‘TIP’ – because if you do this – its highly likely all of your small nit-picking offensive remarks will disappear in the process – because most of them are often related to ‘Rob’ the Siglent Distributor and most likely not ‘Rob’ the knowledgeable person.
4. If someone ASKS a specific question – to you directly – in the post – inviting your input, do this with care – ONLY answer the question!, don’t add additional information, don’t make judgements , don’t make side comments – unless specifically asked to do this.
I have tried to cover a very difficult subject in this post – the message is definitely up there in the ‘text’ – I tried my best (without writing a detailed essay - although this is a long post) – to highlight the most important aspects.
I used your reply to me – in THIS post as a great example (I am sure there are many others in the 18600 posts you made within this forum) – to highlight how a simple,
what you think is a helpful reply, is in fact destructive and offensive instead.
I hope the above notes give you more insight to your –
most likely subconscious - behaviour in the hope that it will HELP you make more meaningful posts & contributions to the forum in the immediate future.
Please once again don’t take offence Rob –
we all love you tautech, BUT you need to be informed of your forum etiquette shortcomings – all for the benefit of the members here.
Take Care and Be Safe
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