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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1000 on: November 20, 2019, 12:18:09 pm »
Hello Ted,
First of all let me say Thank you very much for your help.

Unfortunately I haven't succeed, that is what i have done:

I've installed FW 00.01.07 on an empty USBDisk (file DSA_UpdateFile.sys)
Then inserted on my SA and turn it on but nothing happens. Pressing STORAGE I see my disk and the file on it on the SA
Then I've followed the steps on the Installation Instructions Troubleshooting: Inserting the USB and while the instrument is Starting Ive pressed continiously the PRESET button but to no avail. The USB is detected but no System upgrade starts.

My BOOT is 00.00.04
On your reply https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dsa-815-tg-upgrade-hack/msg2789438/#msg2789438 you said:
"PS:  This only works on units with Boot Loader 01.02, or 01.0.  It will NOT work with Boot Loader .01.04."

So maybe this way is not valid for me or I am doing something wrong...

I hope you could guide me.

Thank you very much in advance,

Toño,


 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1001 on: November 20, 2019, 12:26:28 pm »
Hello DSA800 Hackers:  I received a couple PMs asking me why I repeat 'Do Not install the Kegen's code for the '10 Hz RBW' and 'Tracking Generator' Options'. It is because some guys want to make sure that they have everything that the Riglol Keygen is capable of providing in the DSA800. Well these two Options are NOT Required, as the 'DSA800-TG' comes with a Tracking Generator (if you don't have a TG unit, you still won't, but it will falsely appear that you do) , and '10 Hz RBW' has been included in the firmware for the last several years. If you install them you will see repeat incidences of them when you view the DSA800s Installed Options, and that is a dead give away that someone played with the Rigol Option Installations, etc.  I like to the keep the DSA800 clean and simple without adding miscellaneous un-required (potential corruption) data in the units OS. Although no operational problems have been observed from the dual installation of these two Options.
 
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1002 on: November 20, 2019, 12:56:34 pm »
Hello Ted,
First of all let me say Thank you very much for your help.
Unfortunately I haven't succeed, that is what i have done:  -> My BOOT is 00.00.04
So maybe this way is not valid for me or I am doing something wrong...     I hope you could guide me.    Toño,
Damn, I'm very sorry, I didn't notice that you had Boot Loader .04.  (Generally  with the Hardware you have, Boot Loader .02 or .03 is incorporated). Sorry you won't be able to go back to FW .07, and your only choice is to solder Pins 7 and 8 of IC  U1105 together (this should work fine).  Although you could install a secure/hidden toggle switch, but be WARNED! - Never change the switch's from OFF-ON or ON-OFF when the DSA800 is ON (turn the DSA800 'OFF' first).   The Data in U1105 can potentially get corrupted and you loose all the calibration data.
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1003 on: November 20, 2019, 01:31:14 pm »
Hello again Ted,

I see.
I think i would prefer the 10Hz RBW option by default with the newer FWs even losing the remaining trial time. Or maybe there is any workaround to be able to install the latest firmware plus soldering the pins to keep trial forever?

I downloaded last FW from Rigol's site and then i read the following:
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[Important Notices]
   
Applicable models and component versions:
    ------ Embedded software version number: 00.01.09 and later
    ------ BOOT version number: 00.01.04 and later
    ------ Digital FPGA version number: 00.05 and later
    ------ RF FPGA version number: 00.05 and later
    ------ Main board version number: 00.05 and later
*****************************************
It seems that last firmware is not compatible with my MOBO 00.04 and FPGABO 00.05

Is there any way to get a previous firmware i could install with my MOBO and FPGA (both 00.04) that brings me the 10Hz improvement?


Thank you very much in advance,

Toño


 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1004 on: November 20, 2019, 02:13:30 pm »
Tono:  I think if you first install a solder connection across U1105 pins 7 and 8, and then install FW .19 that  you will still have all your Trial Options preserved, and also 10 Hz RBW.  Seeing you are willing to sacrifice the other Trials for 10 Hz RBW (I would also choose this path if I were you), you don't have much to loose by doing this if I'm wrong.  There was an earlier version of FW that would initially cause the loss of Trials, although they could still be recovered, but now that doesn't happen with the latter FWs.  I use a Firmware Write Protect (FWP) switch on both a DSA815 (w/Boot .04) and 875 and there is no issue with installing new FW with the FWP switch always ON.  My Rigol Options are all permanent, and I only use the FWP for retaining my preferred Default (vs. the factories) settings in my units.
I can send you my FWP Switch Installation Instructions if you like, but I would need a email address for you that allows the use of attachments. I previously posted them here a few times, for a week or so at a time, and then removed them along with another 80 to 100 of other postings.  Ted
Edit: If you decide that you want the Instructions send me your email address via a PM.  I will only use it for your info, will not share it, and I will discard it after you confirm that you have received your requested info. The attachment will be compressed with WinRAR. You can use WinRAR, UnZIP, etc to un-compress it.  You can also go to https://www.rarlab.com to download a full trial version of WinRAR to use,
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1005 on: November 20, 2019, 02:48:26 pm »
Hello again Ted, It seems that last firmware is not compatible with my MOBO 00.04 and FPGABO 00.05,  Toño
I'm quite sure that it is compatible.  I have installed it on all of the previous hardware and software versions of the DSA815-TGs.  You can send me a six pack of beer, Thank You Card, flowers, or etc. when you see all this working for you.  Just kidding of course, but please go for it.  I won't be leaving town anytime soon.  Ted
 
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1006 on: December 09, 2019, 06:15:15 pm »
Hello,

I have a DSA 815TG with boot: 00.01.04 and enable WP

I lose my free trial time with Firmware 00.01.17.00.04.
With Firmware 00.01.19.00.03 the trial come not back.
Than I try Firmware 00.01.16.00.03 and the trial are back.
After installing Firmware 00.01.19.00.03 the trial are away again.

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1007 on: December 12, 2019, 10:14:52 pm »
So I have a question.
I have an 815 which didn’t come with the tracking generator. Has anyone retrofitted one of these. Is it simply a case of installing a connector on the main board and adding the key from the Keygen as is usually discouraged above for those that already have it one installed?

I didn’t purchase it from new because otherwise I would have got the TG hands down.
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1008 on: December 12, 2019, 11:14:36 pm »
As far i am aware, needs to be fitted from the factory, Think you have missing components not just the N type.
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1009 on: December 14, 2019, 11:31:28 pm »
Hello to all!  Is there anyone here who bought some option for the new dsa815 hardware version?
I need your serial number and code.  For experiment
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1010 on: December 15, 2019, 08:13:29 pm »
Ahh poop. Haven’t received it in the post yet but am getting excited about it coming.
I guess the only way to find out is to pull it apart when it gets here and see for sure
I’ll keep you guys updated. Can’t imagine it’s anything I couldn’t buy and solder on with a little bit of firmware magic. Might be asking kindly if I have a silkscreen with missing parts of the PCB in a picture, if someone with those populated parts can show me theirs too ;)

TBC...
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1011 on: December 17, 2019, 07:19:26 pm »
@egonotto,

Here is FW v1.09.
 
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1012 on: December 18, 2019, 03:11:59 am »
Hello egonotto: You can use PeDre's (Peter Dreisiebner) program 'Measuring Instruments' to send SCPI commands and License Keys via USB to the DDA815 and other Rigol equipment:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://peter.dreisiebner.at/messinstrumente/index.htm
 
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1013 on: December 18, 2019, 03:26:18 am »
Hello ted572,

I have trouble with the USB driver. But I have used RigolBildschirmkopie from Peter Dreisiebner. This works fine with ethernet and has a submenu 
SCPI-Kommando....

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1014 on: December 18, 2019, 03:43:49 am »
egonotto: Did you install the required Zadig USB Driver? Although I think Bildschirmkopie will also work, but it has been a very long time since I used it, and I think it was via Ethernet.
 
I attached the instructions for installing the Zadig USB Driver in case you don't have it.
 
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1015 on: December 18, 2019, 04:42:07 am »
Hello ted572,

I have tried, but the DSA815-TG use always the IVI driver.
And this driver worked not with the programs from Peter Dreisiebner.

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1016 on: December 18, 2019, 02:30:36 pm »
Hello ted572, I have tried, but the DSA815-TG use always the IVI driver.  And this driver worked not with the programs from Peter Dreisiebner.  Best regards egonotto
You definitely need the Zadig USB Driver installed for using any of Peter's programs.   Ted

Edit: If you have Rigol's Ultra Sigma installed you will have to uninstall it for Zadig to install and work properly.  By the way I don't like Ultra Sigma because it ends up using > 500 MB or so of space and leaves a lot of NI fragments left behind when it is uninstalled. And this is even when you use a good uninstall program such as RevoUninstaller.  Don't worry about the fragments now, as I can tell you later how to search for and remove them with a special software tool (as many of then can't simply be deleted). And you will then have to clean the Windows Registry. These are all good reasons to hate Ultra Sigma.

If you want a DSA700/800 remote control program, I suggest trying Peter's.  I use it with a DSA815 and DSA875 and I'm happy with it, even though it hasn't been fully completed by him.  And it is a Potable program that you just can run, without it even being installed on your PC.  It also provides a rolling Waterfall Display, etc.  And his special Cursor is just fantastic for it accuracy of setting and using it, and all the information that it can provide.

I don't fully understand your previous post, although from it I'm assuming that you have Ultra Sigma installed. 
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1017 on: December 18, 2019, 05:21:23 pm »
Hello ted572,

yes I have Ultra Sigma. And I have NI. I lose overview because I have Software from Rigol, Keysight, R&S and Cleverscope.

For the DSA815-TG I use LAN. So this is ok for me.

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1018 on: December 18, 2019, 05:42:28 pm »
Hello ted572, yes I have Ultra Sigma. And I have NI. I lose overview because I have Software from Rigol, Keysight, R&S and Cleverscope. For the DSA815-TG I use LAN. So this is ok for me.    Best regards, egonotto
Yes, LAN should work fine. Have you reviewed the PM that I sent you?   Re. The expected License Keys, and use of them (e.g. format, etc.).
Misc.  I'm sure now that you understand that Peter's DSA800 Remote Control Program won't work for you with Ultra Spectrum installed.

Edit:  The License keys are to be entered each as a single group of 28 characters in a series without any Spaces or Dashes within.  And if possible you should copy and paste the License key into the DSA800. Because for example: It is very easy to miss use a 'letter' I (I/i) or L (L/l) for a 'number' One 1, or the reverse. And also miss use a 'letter' O (O/o) for a 'number' 0 (Zero), or the reverse.
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1019 on: December 18, 2019, 06:51:11 pm »
Hello,

I use "Senden & Empfangen" (send & receive) in RigolBildschirmkopie.
to enter a license key and got an error.
This is because the SCPI command :SYSTem:LKEY sends no response and as no response come I got the error.
I have should use "Senden" (send) than I would not got an error.

Now all works fine.

Great thanks to tv84 and ted572 :-+

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1020 on: December 18, 2019, 06:56:39 pm »
egonotto,

Please describe step-by-step how you got the memdump, so that future users know how to do it.
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1021 on: December 18, 2019, 07:33:13 pm »
Hello,

for the old firmware 09 of the DSA815 exists SCPI commands to read the first 4 MB.:
:SYST:FRE? 0,1048576
:SYST:FRE? 1048576,1048576
:SYST:FRE? 2097152,1048576
:SYST:FRE? 3145728,1048576

This commands works not with the newer firmware 1.19 

For the SCPI commands you can use PeDre's (Peter Dreisiebner) program
RigolBildschirmkopie. It works with USB and LAN.
Use menu
Device->SCPI-command... 
with Send & Receive and Save.

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1022 on: December 18, 2019, 08:10:36 pm »
tv84 and egonotto:  Hip Hip Hooray to 'tv84' and 'egonotto' for turning another DSA815-TG into a fully loaded unit. . .  Congratulations 'egonotto'   :clap:

For future reference: The TG License Key should NOT be entered, as it is already active in all of the DSA800-TGs.  So far it hasn't caused any known issues other than often showing up twice in unit's License Info list, and probably as expired, or similar for the one just added. And if you don't have a DSA800-TG it won't do anything for you, except that is to blog up your units firmware.

You may be able to get rid of it by using the option to 'Clear Trial Licenses' in the Maintenance Mode. But be very careful what you do here, because by pressing the wrong Soft Button you can cripple the DSA800. And you won't necessarily realize it until after you reboot the unit.  So use Caution! in the Maintenance Mode, and don't touch any key or mode that you don't fully understand.

Edit:  You also should NOT install a License code for 10 kHz RBW. As this has been provided in the Rigol firmware as a standard item for at least the last several years.
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1023 on: December 29, 2019, 10:46:46 pm »
Gentlemen,

Try dumping your own 4MB flash memory using the SCPI method:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/spectrum-analyzer-rigol-dsa815/msg518691/#msg518691

With the dump, we can try something different...  ;)

Hi,

@tv84 once we have the dump... any ideas what comes next?!

I have a DSA815TG, all trials expired, running bootloader 1.04 and firmware 1.09.
Riglol codes don't work, it appears this DSA is expecting 24-digit activation keys.
Upgrading to FW19 might provide the 10Hz RBW but appears to make downgrading the FW impossible, so if the other options can be activated as well using older FW, I'm in!

BW, G4KQK
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1024 on: January 21, 2020, 04:57:56 pm »
Hello,

I've been reading the post but I'm still not sure if I still could have a chance to get the the extra features for my DSA815TG unlocked.
My appliance specs:
main board 00.04
FPGA 00.05
DIGIBOARD 00.04
Original FW was 00.01.09 (upgraded to 00.01.19)
Boot: 00.01.04

To get the RBW down to 10Hz I installed the last firmware 00.01.19 losing the remaining trial time for the extra optional features (now remaining time is 0 for all of them)
So I think my chance for a HW hack to maintain the extra features alive has vanished...

Is there any hope to unlock the optional features? I don't bother if the procedure is a bit tricky as I have nothing to loose.

Thank you very much in advance!

Antonio

 


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