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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1025 on: December 18, 2019, 04:42:07 am »
Hello ted572,

I have tried, but the DSA815-TG use always the IVI driver.
And this driver worked not with the programs from Peter Dreisiebner.

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1026 on: December 18, 2019, 02:30:36 pm »
Hello ted572, I have tried, but the DSA815-TG use always the IVI driver.  And this driver worked not with the programs from Peter Dreisiebner.  Best regards egonotto
You definitely need the Zadig USB Driver installed for using any of Peter's programs.   Ted

Edit: If you have Rigol's Ultra Sigma installed you will have to uninstall it for Zadig to install and work properly.  By the way I don't like Ultra Sigma because it ends up using > 500 MB or so of space and leaves a lot of NI fragments left behind when it is uninstalled. And this is even when you use a good uninstall program such as RevoUninstaller.  Don't worry about the fragments now, as I can tell you later how to search for and remove them with a special software tool (as many of then can't simply be deleted). And you will then have to clean the Windows Registry. These are all good reasons to hate Ultra Sigma.

If you want a DSA700/800 remote control program, I suggest trying Peter's.  I use it with a DSA815 and DSA875 and I'm happy with it, even though it hasn't been fully completed by him.  And it is a Potable program that you just can run, without it even being installed on your PC.  It also provides a rolling Waterfall Display, etc.  And his special Cursor is just fantastic for it accuracy of setting and using it, and all the information that it can provide.

I don't fully understand your previous post, although from it I'm assuming that you have Ultra Sigma installed. 
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1027 on: December 18, 2019, 05:21:23 pm »
Hello ted572,

yes I have Ultra Sigma. And I have NI. I lose overview because I have Software from Rigol, Keysight, R&S and Cleverscope.

For the DSA815-TG I use LAN. So this is ok for me.

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1028 on: December 18, 2019, 05:42:28 pm »
Hello ted572, yes I have Ultra Sigma. And I have NI. I lose overview because I have Software from Rigol, Keysight, R&S and Cleverscope. For the DSA815-TG I use LAN. So this is ok for me.    Best regards, egonotto
Yes, LAN should work fine. Have you reviewed the PM that I sent you?   Re. The expected License Keys, and use of them (e.g. format, etc.).
Misc.  I'm sure now that you understand that Peter's DSA800 Remote Control Program won't work for you with Ultra Spectrum installed.

Edit:  The License keys are to be entered each as a single group of 28 characters in a series without any Spaces or Dashes within.  And if possible you should copy and paste the License key into the DSA800. Because for example: It is very easy to miss use a 'letter' I (I/i) or L (L/l) for a 'number' One 1, or the reverse. And also miss use a 'letter' O (O/o) for a 'number' 0 (Zero), or the reverse.
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1029 on: December 18, 2019, 06:51:11 pm »
Hello,

I use "Senden & Empfangen" (send & receive) in RigolBildschirmkopie.
to enter a license key and got an error.
This is because the SCPI command :SYSTem:LKEY sends no response and as no response come I got the error.
I have should use "Senden" (send) than I would not got an error.

Now all works fine.

Great thanks to tv84 and ted572 :-+

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1030 on: December 18, 2019, 06:56:39 pm »
egonotto,

Please describe step-by-step how you got the memdump, so that future users know how to do it.
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1031 on: December 18, 2019, 07:33:13 pm »
Hello,

for the old firmware 09 of the DSA815 exists SCPI commands to read the first 4 MB.:
:SYST:FRE? 0,1048576
:SYST:FRE? 1048576,1048576
:SYST:FRE? 2097152,1048576
:SYST:FRE? 3145728,1048576

This commands works not with the newer firmware 1.19 

For the SCPI commands you can use PeDre's (Peter Dreisiebner) program
RigolBildschirmkopie. It works with USB and LAN.
Use menu
Device->SCPI-command... 
with Send & Receive and Save.

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1032 on: December 18, 2019, 08:10:36 pm »
tv84 and egonotto:  Hip Hip Hooray to 'tv84' and 'egonotto' for turning another DSA815-TG into a fully loaded unit. . .  Congratulations 'egonotto'   :clap:

For future reference: The TG License Key should NOT be entered, as it is already active in all of the DSA800-TGs.  So far it hasn't caused any known issues other than often showing up twice in unit's License Info list, and probably as expired, or similar for the one just added. And if you don't have a DSA800-TG it won't do anything for you, except that is to blog up your units firmware.

You may be able to get rid of it by using the option to 'Clear Trial Licenses' in the Maintenance Mode. But be very careful what you do here, because by pressing the wrong Soft Button you can cripple the DSA800. And you won't necessarily realize it until after you reboot the unit.  So use Caution! in the Maintenance Mode, and don't touch any key or mode that you don't fully understand.

Edit:  You also should NOT install a License code for 10 kHz RBW. As this has been provided in the Rigol firmware as a standard item for at least the last several years.
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1033 on: December 29, 2019, 10:46:46 pm »
Gentlemen,

Try dumping your own 4MB flash memory using the SCPI method:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/spectrum-analyzer-rigol-dsa815/msg518691/#msg518691

With the dump, we can try something different...  ;)

Hi,

@tv84 once we have the dump... any ideas what comes next?!

I have a DSA815TG, all trials expired, running bootloader 1.04 and firmware 1.09.
Riglol codes don't work, it appears this DSA is expecting 24-digit activation keys.
Upgrading to FW19 might provide the 10Hz RBW but appears to make downgrading the FW impossible, so if the other options can be activated as well using older FW, I'm in!

BW, G4KQK
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1034 on: December 30, 2019, 05:29:50 pm »
@tv84 once we have the dump... any ideas what comes next?!

Here.
 
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1035 on: January 21, 2020, 04:57:56 pm »
Hello,

I've been reading the post but I'm still not sure if I still could have a chance to get the the extra features for my DSA815TG unlocked.
My appliance specs:
main board 00.04
FPGA 00.05
DIGIBOARD 00.04
Original FW was 00.01.09 (upgraded to 00.01.19)
Boot: 00.01.04

To get the RBW down to 10Hz I installed the last firmware 00.01.19 losing the remaining trial time for the extra optional features (now remaining time is 0 for all of them)
So I think my chance for a HW hack to maintain the extra features alive has vanished...

Is there any hope to unlock the optional features? I don't bother if the procedure is a bit tricky as I have nothing to loose.

Thank you very much in advance!

Antonio

 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1036 on: January 21, 2020, 05:22:56 pm »
 
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1037 on: January 26, 2020, 02:53:05 pm »
Hi,

For guys using older hardware (Boot: 00.01.02), I confirm you can :

- Safely upgrade to 00.01.18 and keep the enabled options (I've used incremental update .14 -> .15 -> ... -> .18)
- Enable the SSC-DSA straight from .18 using the online keygen and AAAH as the option (insert key without dashes)

Since I've recently performed the above, I also tried the Ultra Sigma / Ultra Spectrum software but it's unusable and the output I get is like in the picture below (using USB)

I tried using the software from FW .14 to .18 and altho the release notes for .18 states "-----Reslove Ultra Spectrum problem" it still crap.

Has anyone been able to make the Ultra Spectrum work correctly? I'm in a trial period so maybe there's a catch... I get the same on 2 different PCs

Thanks!

 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1038 on: January 26, 2020, 03:51:14 pm »
I tried using the software from FW .14 to .18 and altho the release notes for .18 states "-----Reslove Ultra Spectrum problem" it still crap.

Has anyone been able to make the Ultra Spectrum work correctly? I'm in a trial period so maybe there's a catch... I get the same on 2 different PCs

Ultra Sigma only works correctly with the dot as decimal separator. This must be set in the operating system under Region/Country.
But in Firmware 1.19 the format of the trace data was changed from Little to Big Edian. I suspect Ultra Spectrum works correctly with the current firmware.
On my website I have a demo program for the DSA, maybe you can do something with it.

Peter
 
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1039 on: January 26, 2020, 03:54:14 pm »
Mr. tv84,

THANK YOU VERY MUCH INDEED for helping me to unlock the Licensed options!
My appliance has became much more valuable right now.

5 stars!!!
 
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1040 on: January 27, 2020, 03:55:51 pm »
Ultra Sigma only works correctly with the dot as decimal separator. This must be set in the operating system under Region/Country.
But in Firmware 1.19 the format of the trace data was changed from Little to Big Edian. I suspect Ultra Spectrum works correctly with the current firmware.
On my website I have a demo program for the DSA, maybe you can do something with it.

Peter, your software works great. The waveform from PC matches the one from SA. Regardless the missing features, it's ok and I can work with it. Markers are a MUST for me as I usually adjust cavity filters.

As for Ultra Spectrum, I can connect to the instrument, make changes but the sweep looks like the one from the picture. I tried the regional settings, made changes to use points and whatnot but it's the same. I found two versions of Ultra Spectrum (1.00.16 and 1.00.27). Both are behaving the same.

Now, asking again. Is there anyone having the Ultra Sigma / Spectrum installed and able to use it correctly? If yes, what versions? I'm on  FW version .18 on my DSA815-TG

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1041 on: January 27, 2020, 07:02:42 pm »
I have now made a test, here's the result:

Windows 7 Pro SP1 32-Bit (all online updates, no software, except drivers installed)
DSA815-TG connected with USB


Works with the firmware v.01.19
Does not work with the firmware v.01.12/13/14/15/16/17/18
- Ultra Sigma(PC)Installer v00.01.06.01
- DSA800 IVI Driver v1.0.4
- Ultra Spectrum(PC)Installer v00.01.00.27

Info: Only Version 01.19 does work because of the change of the 'Real,32' trace data from Little- to Big Endian.


Works with the firmware v.01.12/13/14/17/18
Does not work with the firmware v.01.15/16/19
- Ultra Sigma(PC)Installer v00.01.06.01
- DSA800 IVI Driver v1.0.4
- Ultra Spectrum(PC)Installer v00.01.00.20

Info: The versions 01.15/16 do not work because there is an error in the SCPI command ":TRACx:MODE?" Empty fields with semicolons at the beginning of the response are returned.
Version 01.19 does not work because of the change of the 'Real,32' trace data from Little- to Big Endian.

Ultra Spectrum can only be started via Ultra Sigma. Select device and right click in the context menu.

The format setting must be set to English (USA), German does not work.
Control Panel
-> Time, language and region
   -> Region and language
      -> Formats -> Format: English (USA)

Temporary download, 31 MB:
[Link removed]

There is also a registry file attached, with which you can renew the 15 days trail limit.

Peter
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1042 on: January 27, 2020, 08:54:11 pm »
Peter, thanks so much for your time on this!
I will try shortly the version you shared.

One mention though. Ultra Spectrum CAN be started using arguments like (XXX is part of your SA's S/N) :

"C:\Program Files (x86)\RIGOL\Ultra Sigma\Instrument Tools\RIGOL_DSA_Tools_UltraSpectrum\RIGOL_DSA_Tools_UltraSpectrum_en.exe" USB0::0x1AB1::0x0960::DSA8AXXXXXXXXX::INSTR

Cheers!
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1043 on: January 27, 2020, 11:44:06 pm »
Hello PeDre:  Isn't it Ultra Spectrum that has a 15 day Trial on it, rather than Ultra Sigma?  I would think that it would be Ultra Spectrum that could use Registry time extension?

I'm a fan of your DSA800 Remote Control program so I'm not really interested in Ultra Spectrum, but it may be nice to be able to experiment with it. But then I don't know how to have Ultra Sigma and the Zadig USB driver both available on a PC for using either the Rigol programs and yours.  It seems that I have to uninstall Ultra Sigma and National Instruments (500MB) to use your programs with Zadig. Am I missing sometime basic here, or do you have any tips on doing this?

     Thank you, Ted
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1044 on: January 27, 2020, 11:52:20 pm »
It seems that I have to uninstall Ultra Sigma and National Instruments (500GB) to use you programs with Zadig. Am I missing sometime basic here, or do you have any tips on doing this?

You don't have to uninstall anything. If you already have Ultra Sigma installed, run zadig-2.4.exe  -> Options -> List all devices -> Select DSA815, click Replace Driver and wait. It takes a few seconds.
To revert, use Device Manager to uninstall (check 'Delete driver software for this device'). Unplug the DSA and you should be back on IVI driver.
 
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1045 on: January 28, 2020, 12:21:50 am »
Hello 'razvanm':

I know how to install the Zadig USB Driver, but I have always had to uninstall both Ultra Sigma and National Instrument in order to be able to get the Zadig USB Driver to work properly. And PeDre's DSA800 Control program and others require it.  Anyway I would like to be able to use either a Rigol program (and they all require require Ultra Sigma), or one of PeDre's without having to do any un-install. Am I missing sometime here?

An by the way when uninstalling National Instrument's leaves a lot of junk behind that requires a manual search and the use of a Un-Locker to finish the clean up.  I use Revo Uninstaller Pro (one of the better uninstallers) that works very well generally, except for the National Instrument's left overs.
 
Edit: Clarification - I'm not interested at all with Ultra Spectrum because DSA800 Remote Control by Peter is much nicer and it fills all my requirements. My goal is to be able to use Rigol's DMA-DSA800 software along with Peter's programs without having to make any installation changes.

  Thanks for any suggestions, Ted
Ref. DSA800 Remote Control: http://peter.dreisiebner.at/rigol-dsa815/index.htm

Thank you 'razvanm' for your suggestions in the previous (above) Post, and the following Post (below). As I said my goal would be to be able to use either program without having to make any installation changes. I'm spoiled by the small size of Peter's programs (portable), and their high performance compared to Rigol's expensive software that uses ~ 500MB or more of C:\ drive space.  I will of course try our suggestion when I experiment with Rigol's DMA-DSA800 software. Thank you, if it would work for me it would certainly make things more doable and easier. I have had this problem on different Window's 10 computers, so my expectations aren't too high.
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1046 on: January 28, 2020, 02:09:56 am »
ted572, I have both (Ultra Sigma/Spectrum and Peter's software) installed on the same PC and I can switch between any of them with the steps I described. Not sure why you have issues on your end.
 
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1047 on: January 28, 2020, 09:17:45 am »
Hello Ted,

the DSA815 can be connected simultaneously via USB and LAN. But you must not use both connections at the same time. So e.g. Ultra Spectrum via USB, and "Remote Control" via LAN at different times.
But only firmware v01.19 works well with the LAN connection.

Peter
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1048 on: January 28, 2020, 12:00:52 pm »
Peter, the version you shared of Ultra Spectrum works great with my DSA on FW .18, thank you! I had to adapt the trial reset for x64 systems and I'm now able to evaluate it further.
 
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #1049 on: January 28, 2020, 12:57:14 pm »
Peter, the version you shared of Ultra Spectrum works great with my DSA on FW .18, thank you! I had to adapt the trial reset for x64 systems and I'm now able to evaluate it further.
Did you modify Peter's Registry entry for the Trial as it sounds like, or rather the Ultra Spectrum installation file (in your provided link)?  Thank you, Ted
 
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