Tablet Oscilloscope-tbook, a new kind DSO.

[timb]

In the OP's defense, he's not the first to have started posting here, only to find that the blank lines had been stripped out somewhere along the way.  Other than that crunching, his post was no more a "wall of text" than any other here.  It was certainly broken into multiple paragraphs.

Those "blank lines" are what makes it go from an unreadable wall of text to clearly defined and readable paragraphs, we call this sort of thing Grammar, furthermore I

No, seriously though, I appreciate English might not be wuwlwulu12341435qwerty's first language, however his post is sort of rambling and to make it worse, it's not broken up into clearly defined paragraphs, which makes it kind of hard to read. On top of that, comparing this forum—which is composed of electronics professionals from every conceivable industry and walk of life—to the hellhole that is dpreview.com—where people that take pictures of their kids or pets are suddenly "professional photographers" because they spent $3000 on a camera—is frankly downright insulting. (That's only one tiny step above places like head-fi.org which have strict rules on no DBT.)

So yeah, if we want to ask "Who the fuck are you?" that's not negativity, it's a valid question.

[Bored@Work]

If that guy doesn't have a hidden agenda I'll start a love affair with my preferred multimeter probe.

[echen1024]

If that guy doesn't have a hidden agenda I'll start a love affair with my preferred multimeter probe.

Which one would that be?

[wluwlu1234]

If that guy doesn't have a hidden agenda I'll start a love affair with my preferred multimeter probe.

Ok then the both of you shall stay united for the rest of...............   

@timb
Well mistake admitted and trying to improve. Now hopefully easier to read.
Would you mind telling me ***who the f*** you are? Guess not...

If you read through my posts and mind going back to Nov on this post you'll see that I had myself some very
sluggish response from Micsig. As mentioned I had been trying to contact them for long with disappointing response
time. It seems recently things are going slightly (only) better.

Yet to see Micsig to come up with the much appreciated video of their product.

And to make it clear again. I am not a re-seller/dealer/promotor/Micsig or any other T&M employee but I had previously
worked in T&M as an applications engineer and later sales manager for a U.S. based Test and Measurement refurbish
company specialized in RF and GHz devices from Anritsu, Agilent, Tektronix, Wiltron & more.

Though that was years ago.

Meanwhile I specialized in FO communications and worked many years with Alcatel & Nortel in backbone networks.

And currently doing FS engineering work and running a team of engineers in the electrical utility market.

So my basic or let's say strong interest in portable measurement devices is driven by the fact that the less I have to
haul on my worldwide trips the better it is. Even though in my field of activity it is a real challenge as a portable DSO
alone will not do.

So in the end when I first saw a competitor of high performance handheld DSO's coming out of nowhere I was kind
of happy. Though knowing that Fluke, Agilent and also Tektronix having a nice portfolio of instruments in that range I
was kind of skeptical due to the claimed specifications.

Still instruments like the Fluke 190 series II and even the Fluke 125 (though slow 25Ms/s) are clearly no hobbyist
instruments (given their suggested prices). However they do perform very nicely in specific areas. To mentioned
harmonic analysis, BUS analysis, 3 phase system analysis and so forth.
To round up they are instruments for the professionals in the field and I had used a Fluke 125 quite often on side.
Only drawback was its slow sampler but the rest was very nice and handy indeed.

So when Micsig appeared I immediately sensed that their portfolio is not really aimed at the hobby market at all
and I believe the suggested retail prices very much support that statement. For instance some time ago I shared
some thoughts with Rigol GE HQ (yes they have a small support center there) about getting a handheld in their
portfolio with some leaner specs of their DS2000 (or the recently introduced) DS1000Z series.
Well that is currently not in their planning. But you never know a surprise is always possible.

Yet I do not know whether I'll go for Micsig cheaper range of handhelds to give it a try. I am sure the tBook though
might be out of reach because I would only choose the 4 channel version for the size of it.

I am also eagerly waiting for Micsig to move further and instead of issuing sort of promises to really show some units
life in action. Maybe take some live video off of the upcoming "Electronics for you 2014" Feb in New Delhi/India.

It cannot be so hard to record some videos before the grand opening of the event. Surely they give the units a run
before the public storms into the hall on opening day.

[timb]

If that guy doesn't have a hidden agenda I'll start a love affair with my preferred multimeter probe.

Ok then the both of you shall stay united for the rest of...............   

@timb
Well mistake admitted and trying to improve. Now hopefully easier to read.
Would you mind telling me ***who the f*** you are? Guess not...

I'm a freelance EE consultant and writer. I'm currently writing a book on Robotics and the Raspberry Pi for McGraw-Hill and a series of articles for EDN's Test & Measurement Design Center. In a past life I was in IT (ran a couple of ISP/hosting providers and eventually got into setting up large scale networks) so I feel you in regards of working with FO and stuff.

I didn't want to start a pissing contest, you've got to keep in mind when someone comes in here with a low post count—without so much as introducing themselves—and starts posting walls of text in a semi-authoritative manner, we're going to be a little suspicious. Dave is a skeptic, which draws a lot of like minded individuals to his forums I think, so we're already a little bit suspect of things in general, you know? So all of that combined tripped some of our bullshit meters.

Anyway, thanks for shedding some light on your background and giving some perspective into your interest in these tabletsvaporware.

[wluwlu1234]

Hi timb,

thanks for clarifying. That helped a lot (I guess) taking off some steam in that developing p***contest maybe. 

Indeed you might be not far off the truth at current regarding "Vaporware". However the smaller series (the 200's) are
readily available from a french re-selling company via ebay as posted by another forum member.

Maybe Miscig should get their timing right. No use coming up with big shabang of new instruments and yet not released
or available within the U.S. & Europe. I anticipate their intention and every manufacturer has the right to advise of upcoming
new devices. But Miscig clearly never was heard of before. That for instance is quite different for companies like Rigol as they are established already.

So possibly I got myself sort of carried away sounding like I am defending them which in fact I don't at all. Call it my personal
enthusiastic outburst always eager to learning about new makers of fine instruments.

However during some readthrough here & then all of a sudden I have learned a great deal about the Siglent SDS2000 series
which are not handheld ones but nonetheless very interesting. A subject I will follow closely as theiy are readily available
in Europe through a dealer located in The Netherlands (actually just my neighbor country).

So all best for NY 2014...

[Hydrawerk]

http://www.micsig.com/en/product_detail.asp?id=24
Any news or video presentation?

[Ezreal]

 

[madshaman]

OT: this thread is providing a lot of insight on how not to launch a product.

[Hydrawerk]

http://www.micsig.com/en/shownews.asp?id=114

[rf-loop]

Maybe Miscig should get their timing right. No use coming up with big shabang of new instruments and yet not released or available within the U.S. & Europe.

I'm some amount sceptic about future markets in EU and U.S.

Rising markets for electronic test and measurement units are in other area of world - Asia etc.
Example what happend when chinese poples really start also hobbies with electronics (today it is around zero - but even this is lot). This kind of hobby markets have never seen before in world history if it start. There is today rising lot of (many kind of) manufacturing what are not even interest about western markets. And why they should be interest about very difficult, saturated and decaying markets. Earlier they (hobbyists and professional users there) admire these western names Tek, HP (or agilent destroyed HP) and so on...  but today related to price, availability and quality this is changing.

Of course I hope I'm wrong.....

I will wait something new from name Micsig.
Split it: Mic....    and Sig.....  and quess rest.

There is some nice things (on the paper) in these equipments and if they (dev team) do good work with useability, HW quality and really good well made FW/UI  -- least I'm interested.

Isolated inputs fast 4 channel hadhelds. I want see it in real work in professional users normal use on the field in heavy use and in difficult environment.

Interested, I will continue to wait.

[Hydrawerk]

Split it: Mic....    and Sig.....  and quess rest.

Do you think they are connected with Siglent??
BTW this is how they should introduce a new product... http://info.tek.com/www_mdo3000oscilloscope-oneisthenewsix.html

[CosPhi]

I just found two new videos on youtube with working units...

Micsig HHO decoding demo > http://youtu.be/2Hpyhm9JELc

Micsig HHO and tBook oscilloscope HD decoding > http://youtu.be/F91WEVmDynE

While the non glare display on the normal Handheld scope looks very nice (I'm impressed), the glare display on the tBook ... as always black is not the best background color on such displays ...

It seems they work nice so far ...

[grenert]

The tbook looks like no more than a software demo.  There's no signal shown.  No probes plugged in.

[mikeselectricstuff]

It seems they work nice so far ...

That UI looks pretty awful - pretty much as expected. 

[Hydrawerk]

I am not sure if that tablet-only scope actually brings any benefits. By the way, there have been oscilloscopes with touch screens since 1990.
And I prefer a display that does not look like a mirror. It should be matt.

[Hydrawerk]

They have their own youtube channel.

[Stonent]

OT: this thread is providing a lot of insight on how not to launch a product.

 

[Hydrawerk]

http://www.dx.com/p/micsig-to202-10-1-full-touch-screen-200mhz-2-ch-tablet-digital-oscilloscope-blue-326711#.U7H5UZR_vfW


https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/micsig-to202-tablet-digital-oscilloscope/?topicseen

[Ebivetar]

I am really interested.

Any new updates regarding review and videos?

[Mark_O]

9 months ago, Micsig wrote:

How 'bout a video of someone using it so we can see waveform update and general usability?

we are making it, but it will take some time. thanks.

That must be some spectacular video.   

[Hydrawerk]

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new!-touch-tablet-oscilloscope/

[wluwlu1234]

Hi there....I know this topic is a bit outdated & long so to speak. However...

Back then I was kind of accused of running a "secret agenda" asf...Well in fact I hope I had explained my real intensions. Pure interest in new "handheld" devices.

I don't know what's going on with Micsig. I found new videos on youtube and more data (Mind you I am not really interested in their tablet style DSO but more in
the 200/300/500 handhelds - the latter 2 having isolated inputs - The most important for me).

I had been adressed couple of times by Micsig and they even wanted to give me a demo initially but when I replied back with "Sure would appreciate it" the radio-
channel went a bit silent. But they kept on ... well... bombarding me with short emails about how nice the units are, what special offers they have, price reductions
and so on. I guess they even wanted me to win as a Belgium distribution partner though I have no business at all.
On a sidenote it was interesting how they tried to get more info on the competition locally here and in EU. Nedless to say I would not enlighten them. I think they can
do their own marketing & research.

Nothing really wrong in general but the way it is executed is getting on my nerfs a bit. I also anticipate that they should send a unit for review (And I mean any unit
of their portable device series to Dave so he can have a go with it). But I think they fear that. It is no longer vapourware for sure but a taste of doubtness remains.

It is a bit sad because personally I would be interested in their MS300 & MS500 series (still) but surely would take most precaution before spending that kind of money.
And yes...it must be handheld for specific reasons (Have enough desktop DSO's)

In my view they fly a little blind on the ex-Asia market (not to say helpless) whereas other China based makers (e.g. Rigol, Siglent etc...) have a way better understanding
& support within at least the EU. Not to say they perform so nice but at least Rigol has a Germany based support team.

If Micsig is so convinced of their products then I believe they ought to give their units (or selection of it) to 3rd party evaluators. Dave would be my pick here for sure. Maybe
also Morton or others with their own pages. But like this I am waiting & waiting and do not know whether to take the plunge.

And no... I do not like their style of short sniplets of posts like...Check this & Great this with single pictures and replication what's on their webpage anyway. To me looks like
a kid trying to repeat over & over (with small variations) how nice & great it is.

That kind of adressing does not go well with the prices they ask for their instruments and will never win any enthusiast, semi-pro or full pro in my personal opinion.

[nctnico]

It took them a long time from announcement to actual product availability so maybe they got their software right first. If you are interested in buying one try to get one on loan first and see how well it works.

edit: typo

[wluwlu1234]

Yes that would be nice. But as they already had previously approached me they all of a sudden pulled back.
Wonder why though  O0

Oh well I'll wait a little while and see how things develop and if nothing new say in +6 months I'll consider it not worth it any longer...