Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display

[Tek5]

That looks like poorly conceived spam.

Tektronix has no idea I posted this. I have been around engineers all my life. My father is a hardware design engineer at Tek and worked on the newly release AWG5200.

[ataradov]

We get it, you've been around scopes. I've been around buildings all my life, does not mean I know how to build one.

The intent was clearly to increase awareness =>  spam.

[ataradov]

Not Sexist at all! Tektronix is big on growing the number of women in technology. Heck the VP is a women!

You realize it is not a personal message thing? No need to reply the same thing to everyone here. VP is an administrative position, and there are a lot of women in administrative positions. This is not a big deal.

[Towger]

It looks like a cage for dust.

Back to the days of the old CRT TV.  Hope the cats don't take a liking to...

[Tek5]

Not Sexist at all! Tektronix is big on growing the number of women in technology. Heck the VP is a women!

You realize it is not a personal message thing? No need to reply the same thing to everyone here. VP is an administrative position, and there are a lot of women in administrative positions. This is not a big deal.

I think you're missing the point that I am trying to get across. It was disappointing to come back and find multiple replies calling this post sexist and a sales tactic. It's sad people see a female next to a scope and jump straight to those conclusions. I wasn't trying to sale, I was explaining my experience with this scope and asked what others thought.

[ataradov]

and asked what others thought.

And fonograph expressed some valid concerns. We can discuss those. I'm sure there is some engineering though went into the design. What is it? Especially the part where scope turns into a pumpkin when you try to use digital channels?

Because right now it looks like you've been trying to create "engagement", with no intent to actually contribute anything. This is a pretty transparent tactic.

[Simon]

Not Sexist at all! Tektronix is big on growing the number of women in technology. Heck the VP is a women!

You realize it is not a personal message thing? No need to reply the same thing to everyone here. VP is an administrative position, and there are a lot of women in administrative positions. This is not a big deal.

I think you're missing the point that I am trying to get across. It was disappointing to come back and find multiple replies calling this post sexist and a sales tactic. It's sad people see a female next to a scope and jump straight to those conclusions. I wasn't trying to sale, I was explaining my experience with this scope and asked what others thought.

Erm, so please do explain your experience, you post just said that you enjoyed the scope or whatever vacuous words you used. I am sorry but the post was out and out spam. As i said before usually it would have been deleted but as you or tectronix decided to make such an entertaining spectacle of failing to do good covert advertising it was worth leaving. You could always post a video of the scope being used (by you or anyone else) to help people share your enthusiasm and understand more about the machine.

[borjam]

I think you're missing the point that I am trying to get across. It was disappointing to come back and find multiple replies calling this post sexist and a sales tactic. It's sad people see a female next to a scope and jump straight to those conclusions. I wasn't trying to sale, I was explaining my experience with this scope and asked what others thought.

Let there be some peace and let's cool down! Welcome to this crazy forum, by the way.

The facts are: we see a photo of a beautiful lady with an oscilloscope. Think about it: how many photos of beautiful ladies with
electronic gear in which the lady is not a model have you seen?

So we all jumped onto the obvious, albeit wrong guess in this case. We have assumed that Tektronix was trying some sales pitch on the forum in a way that we don't consider classy. But we don't consider it classy because we assume that the photo features a model pretending to be using the
scope. Of course the sexist interpretation is inside our own minds, as it often happens.

True, if you look closely at the photo you will notice that it's not a professional job because of the color temperature difference between your face and the natural light coming through the windows. But that's not so obvious though!

So, I imagine you agree that a publicity photo featuring a beautiful female model and a scope would be sexist publicity. It's just that this is not the case right now and we have got it completely wrong. But I am sure that you will understand that, sadly, it's not exactly surprising that we got it wrong, as it's often the case.

Although I didn't post with my interpretation of the photo I must admit that I got it wrong and I apologise for that.

Now, we can go back on topic and maybe you will be willing to let us know what you liked the most! 

[Simon]

The photo did not add any value to the post, why was it not a well lit close up of the scope so that we could appreciate the scope? we still have not had any technical discussion about this scope. Someone loves using it and is in a picture with it..... that is all we have.

[bd139]

Anything that needs a probe that big needs a broom handle to attach it to

[0xdeadbeef]

Tektronix is actually really big on growing the number of women in technology. Heck, the VP of Tektronix is a women.

Not Sexist at all! Tektronix is big on growing the number of women in technology. Heck the VP is a women!

Majestic plural? Sorry, couldn't resist

[oldway]

I have an engineer for a father and have been around scopes all my life. I used to go to take your daughter to work day at Tek. I loved the training on this scope and wanted to share. Tektronix has no idea I posted this.

When I read that, I could not help smiling.
Does anyone really believe in such nonsense?

If I understand correctly, you do not work at Tektronix, so you probably used your father's email address to post here .... All of this, without your father or Tektronix knowing ...
Even if you works at Tektronix, you should never post this without Tektronix knowing...

It's a little too big to be credible ....

[Simon]

If I understand correctly, you do not work at Tektronix, so you probably used your father's email address to post here .... All of this, without your father or Tektronix knowing ...
Even if you works at Tektronix, you should never post this without Tektronix knowing...

It's a little too big to be credible ....

Why don't you stop talking bollocks ? she does work at tectronix, she used her own work email to sign up to the forum and this has been explained but you seem to be acting dense and keep picking arguments where none lay.

it's simply a case that she must know all about oscilloscopes because her dad designs them.

[Eric_S]

Right now I feel that this thread if too full of posts that skid too close to techbro/secret treehouse-wank.

It's a bit sad, that OP of her's. This could have been a good thing if Tek5 would have made something that doesn't read like spam coupled with a bad ad from a 1970's motorbike magazine. And by all means, if Tek5 wants to post a contribution (that I'm sure she's capable of), I'd welcome that.

[Simon]

I think the problem is that Tek5 is a sales drone and never really learnt that much from her father in terms of technical detail. Therefor she will struggle to have a meaningful discussion about the specs of a scope which is what someone coming on here from tectronix would be expected to talk about. Obviously if she wants to talk technical I'm sure people will have lots of things to discuss.

[technogeeky]

Not Sexist at all! Tektronix is big on growing the number of women in technology. Heck the VP is a women!

You realize it is not a personal message thing? No need to reply the same thing to everyone here. VP is an administrative position, and there are a lot of women in administrative positions. This is not a big deal.

I think you're missing the point that I am trying to get across. It was disappointing to come back and find multiple replies calling this post sexist and a sales tactic. It's sad people see a female next to a scope and jump straight to those conclusions. I wasn't trying to sale, I was explaining my experience with this scope and asked what others thought.

Let's see...

A couple of months ago I was lucky enough to play with the new revolutionary 8 channel oscilloscopes in a training class provided by Tektronix! Seeing the excitement on all the engineers faces while using the MSO 5 Series scope reminded me of kids in a candy store

bull. shit.

And don't try to turn my sexism comment around on me. It's not sexist at all if you are a genuine person, genuinely sharing your experience, on a person-to-person level. It's only sexist when it's turned into advertising. This is some South Park advertising level nonsense. You're an ad, it's an add, we're all just ads!

[bd139]

I showed my wife this thread as a neutral party of the opposite gender.

Her muttered comments were:

1. Not an engineer with nails like that. They’d break in two minutes flat.
2. She’s just earning a living.
3. You’re not thinking about buying one of them are you? You’ve already got lots of oscilloscopes.
4. Wow people take things way too seriously.
5. What’s the big red thing that looks like a butt plug?

[technogeeky]

I showed my wife this thread as a neutral party of the opposite gender.
3. You’re not thinking about buying one of them are you? You’ve already got lots of oscilloscopes.

5. What’s the big red thing that looks like a butt plug?

[floobydust]

So what the new scope and pic are easy on the eyes, lol.
Let's hear you guys on how to market test equipment to a younger generation of engineers.
You'd rather have grandpa working that scope? This is hilarious.
I've worked with female engineers and they do their nails, makeup, heels the same as any other female professionals.
This seems to cause a commotion among all the hermit engineers here.

But I agree, the best is for Dave to evaluate the new scope. He won't take it apart instead of the poster post.


I looked at the MSO5 video and specs, I'd need to take one for a test drive and see if the touchscreen is decent, especially managing 8 channels.
I can't see using the 1mV/div sensitivity with that 400W PC behind it and probably CCFL backlighting, for quiet analog work.

[technogeeky]

i want one youtube review by the OP. and i like the picture : alot better than that coffee maker spam... i vote not to delete this thread it shows some important aspects of members' attitude... anyway, can the scope be used with this?...

Of course it can!

And I like the picture, too. I think the scope is freakin' amazing. I think Tek might have over-promised and under-delivered by a few percent (and I think it's more than a few percent overpriced), but I still think it's an amazing scope and I can't wait to see what an MDO version of it would be like.

I just want this place to be a space where people can interact with people, and corporations who want to get in on it still have to go through people who are transparent about their working relationships. I want the people employed by Tek to say things like "Man, that new Keysight _____ is pretty awesome" and vice-versa, if they think those statements are true! Engineers often admire other engineers' work, and that's a cool part of what this forum lets us do.

And pretty much all of us here recognize what Dave would call probably call 'marketing wank.' Heck, he did mention that about this very scope a month or two (or three?) ago when discussion about this scope was rife. And hopefully we recognize it and compartmentalize it out, like we do in other areas of our life.

But at the end of the day, this forum is about engineering.

[technogeeky]

So what the new scope and pic are easy on the eyes, lol.
Let's hear you guys on how to market test equipment to a younger generation of engineers.
You'd rather have grandpa working that scope? This is hilarious.
I've worked with female engineers and they do their nails, makeup, heels the same as any other female professionals.
This seems to cause a commotion among all the hermit engineers here.

But I agree, the best is for Dave to evaluate the new scope. He won't take it apart instead of the poster post.


I looked at the MSO5 video and specs, I'd need to take one for a test drive and see if the touchscreen is decent, especially managing 8 channels.
I can't see using the 1mV/div sensitivity with that 400W PC behind it and probably CCFL backlighting, for quiet analog work.

I was about to type "any marketing that causes such a big backlash is not good marketing", but I'm not even sure that's true.

In any case, no. I don't necessarily want to see grandpa and this scope. I want to see all of the people in that room, using this scope. I want to hear their thoughts and testimonials. I want to see the signals they looked at, the idiosyncrasies they discovered in their short time with it. What I don't want is to see a room full of people using an oscilloscope, with a picture focused on the only person in the room who is not currently using the oscilloscope, with a blurb of text that contains essentially no information.

I can't speak for anyone else in this thread, but if people are taking any of my comments to be negative toward women in engineering in any way, then I have failed to communicate effectively.

[tautech]

For a 'Content/Video manager' at Tek there's been no content as such yet. 

Want to put some of this agro to bed then post at least some meaningful screenshots you've done, not swiped from some tech that's done them for you.
Who doesn't want to see what a new scope can do ? 

 technogeeky 

[Tek5]

I think you're missing the point that I am trying to get across. It was disappointing to come back and find multiple replies calling this post sexist and a sales tactic. It's sad people see a female next to a scope and jump straight to those conclusions. I wasn't trying to sale, I was explaining my experience with this scope and asked what others thought.

Let there be some peace and let's cool down! Welcome to this crazy forum, by the way.

The facts are: we see a photo of a beautiful lady with an oscilloscope. Think about it: how many photos of beautiful ladies with
electronic gear in which the lady is not a model have you seen?

So we all jumped onto the obvious, albeit wrong guess in this case. We have assumed that Tektronix was trying some sales pitch on the forum in a way that we don't consider classy. But we don't consider it classy because we assume that the photo features a model pretending to be using the
scope. Of course the sexist interpretation is inside our own minds, as it often happens.

True, if you look closely at the photo you will notice that it's not a professional job because of the color temperature difference between your face and the natural light coming through the windows. But that's not so obvious though!

So, I imagine you agree that a publicity photo featuring a beautiful female model and a scope would be sexist publicity. It's just that this is not the case right now and we have got it completely wrong. But I am sure that you will understand that, sadly, it's not exactly surprising that we got it wrong, as it's often the case.

Although I didn't post with my interpretation of the photo I must admit that I got it wrong and I apologise for that.

Now, we can go back on topic and maybe you will be willing to let us know what you liked the most! 

I want to apologize, I am not an engineer and should have been more transparent on who I am and my role at Tektronix. I’m still learning and thought starting a discussion would be informative. I now see I went about it the wrong way, and for that I am truly sorry.

To answer your questions what I liked most, I would say from what I understand the component parts are all on the same ASIC, including a 12-bit ADC. In the training they explained the interact time is faster since most of the computations are done on the same chip.

To close on that note, I apologize again, I am not technical and am in the early stages of trying to learn.

[Simon]

Well if you want o learn then hang about, there are plenty of helpful folk on here.

[floobydust]

Perhaps EEVblog could add guidance for new product announcements. A sticky maybe, for the marketing types.

It seems to be random posts by people who have purchased the gear, or done a teardown, or a manufacturer's rep. posting, or a review by Dave.

I'm not a test equipment manufacturer, but the best way to step in, such as offering (me) a free t-shirt, coffee cup or having a contest/giveaway, purchasing an ad here,  etc. is all part of it. Anything to avoid stepping in it.