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A couple of months ago I was lucky enough to play with the new revolutionary 8 channel oscilloscopes in a training class provided by Tektronix! Seeing the excitement on all the engineers faces while using the MSO 5 Series scope reminded me of kids in a candy store :)

Wondering if anyone else has had a chance to see this scope and what they think.

https://www.tek.com/oscilloscope/5-series-mso-mixed-signal-oscilloscope

 

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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 03:08:25 am »
No dedicated trigger input?  Sacrilege!

Of course I'm kidding, that think looks amazing.

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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 03:11:08 am »
That looks like poorly conceived spam.
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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 03:23:12 am »
Looks like you need to go back to astroturfing school.

1/10 poor effort.
 
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 03:24:55 am »
It is not clear why Tek would do this, but this may be one of their most creative sales reps, of course.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2017, 03:28:49 am by ataradov »
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2017, 03:43:11 am »
It is not clear why Tek would do this, but this may be one of their most creative sales reps, of course.

It's also sexist; there are 6 or 7 men there clearly using the scope and we're looking at the only woman in the room, facing us.
 

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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2017, 03:46:32 am »
And if this is Tek indeed, have a look at Keysight. They post funny videos, and don't feel the need to hide behind spam accounts.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2017, 03:57:59 am »
It's also sexist; there are 6 or 7 men there clearly using the scope and we're looking at the only woman in the room, facing us.

what a daft criticism.
It shows a woman next to the scope because that was who posted the image.
Just the same as if you had posted it, it would have showed a man.
 

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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2017, 04:08:31 am »
It shows a woman next to the scope because that was who posted the image.
I have a bridge to sell you.
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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2017, 04:46:45 am »
A couple of months ago I was lucky enough to play with the new revolutionary 8 channel oscilloscopes in a training class provided by Tektronix! Seeing the excitement on all the engineers faces while using the MSO 5 Series scope reminded me of kids in a candy store :)

Wondering if anyone else has had a chance to see this scope and what they think.

https://www.tek.com/oscilloscope/5-series-mso-mixed-signal-oscilloscope
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Yep we've had a glimpse at the new model some months back in this thread:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-2ghz-touchscreen-scope-from-tek-june-6th/
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2017, 04:49:15 am »
This picture and text was also posted on the LinkedIn account of ------------ (------------ Manager at Tektronix) -
So I guess it is not too smart manager at Tek.

Nothing to see here, it is spam.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2017, 01:04:02 pm by EEVblog »
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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2017, 05:29:17 am »
I saw this scope at the Electronex show in Melbourne recently and spoke to the Vicom rep for quite a while. It looks even more impressive than in the pictures but I am perplexed why it has not been pushed harder for a new product ;)

The Lecroy stuff was nice as well but Lecroy is generous with options but light on when it comes to acquisition update rates which is probably why it is never specced in their marketing blurb.

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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2017, 06:20:39 am »
It is not clear why Tek would do this, but this may be one of their most creative sales reps, of course.

They must have borrowed her from the cooking class ;)
 

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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2017, 06:43:07 am »
This picture and text was also posted on the LinkedIn account of ------------ (--------------- Manager at Tektronix) -
So I guess it is not too smart manager at Tek.

Nothing to see here, it is spam.

Correct, the account is indeed registered under an email account that would appear to belong to this individual, Very poor form from what is supposed to be a large and well respected company ? They could just ask Dave for a proper slot, send him one to review. This is just stupid, almost reminds me of the ebay pictures for cheap and nasty Chinese large grid tie inverters.
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2017, 06:48:53 am »
Hey, sales people gotta sell, no matter the means. I'm assuming those things are beyond expensive, so they don't sell themselves.

I doubt some low end account manager has discretion to send review units.
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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2017, 06:50:08 am »
It's also sexist; there are 6 or 7 men there clearly using the scope and we're looking at the only woman in the room, facing us.

what a daft criticism.
It shows a woman next to the scope because that was who posted the image.
Just the same as if you had posted it, it would have showed a man.

How did you know she posted it? we do now, or at least we assume that is Paige doing her best impression of an ebay listing for a shitty chinese grid tie inverter. I'm pretty sure the photo is more about there being a female in it than there being a scope.
 

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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2017, 06:52:59 am »


I doubt some low end account manager has discretion to send review units.

Maybe by account manager they mean the same as farnell does when someone writes to you to try and justify their incompetence and signs themselves off as an "associate"
 

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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2017, 06:53:26 am »
It is also not clear why account manager would want "to play with the new revolutionary 8 channel oscilloscopes", except for a photo op. Can we ask her to setup some advanced glitch triggering? Just to see how that goes.
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2017, 06:55:27 am »
Oh well, at least she dies her hair blonde to make herself look more attractive, I mean you have to have a reason to look at the photo - oh sorry was there a scope in there too ?
 

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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2017, 07:14:10 am »
Yeah if you want exposure send a demo unit to the EEVblog for a few weeks! :box:

I'm guessing they are a bit reluctant for that due to the review of the previous MDO scope they sent in. Okay fair enough it had some flaws with its UI, but if you only point out the positives and hide the flaws that becomes an advertisement not a review. To be honest a video that points out a few flaws will have a better chance of getting me to buy the product rather than a video that shows no flaws. Every product has at least a tiny flaw somewhere if you look hard enough. Its just a matter of the product having such flaws that don't care about or i can live with. So a video that points out the flaws is very useful in making a decision if this product is the right choice for my needs.

Tektronix show us that you listened to the customers and fixed the flaws of your previous product. That new redesigned UI looks great so far. But nobody will believe you when you say "New improved UI with incredible responsiveness" in a advertisement, while an independent unbiased review saying that with demonstrations of the UI will be enough to convince the biggest of skeptics.

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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2017, 07:18:31 am »
No apparently we buy stuff because we see a photo of a slim blonde lady with the potential object of our desires next to her.
 

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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2017, 07:28:51 am »
Looks like you need to go back to astroturfing school.

1/10 poor effort.

lol  :-DD

srsly,the worst thing about the new oscilloscopes from Tek is the ridiculous marketing,from the cringy videos,to datasheet hype lies and now astroturfing?

Its not first 8 channel scope,not even close and the Flex probe thing is inferior,not superior.Lecroy can have 8 channels + 16 digital,Tek only 6 + 16 digital.Also the noise and distortion performance isnt anything special,while its advertised as 12bit 6.25 GS/s,when its running at 6.25 GS/s its only 8bit!  Its 12bit only from 3.15 GS/s samplerate.

Its DC accuracy is two times worse than Lecroy despite both being "12bit",its noise and ENOB performance is deeply inferior to Keysight S and Lecroy HDO series.In the competitive pdf against Keysight S,they are both shown here as equal with "7 enob" but truth is Keysight S is much better.

from datasheets

Tektronix 2Ghz model,hi res mode     RMS noise   at 1Ghz  50 Ohm 1V/div  = 18.4mV
Keysight S  1Ghz model                    RMS noise                 50 Ohm 1V/div =6.8mV

funny thing is that keysight measurement is without Hi res,since its running 20GS/s at real 10bit ADC,it can trow additional 1 bit of Hi Res mode on top of that and still maintain that 1Ghz bandwidth,so its more like 3.4mV apples to apples comparsion.

The 2Ghz Tek at 1Ghz with Hi Res is 7 ENOB
Keysight S at 1Ghz without hi res is 7.8 ENOB..... or 8.8 with 1 bit hi res


Lecroy HDO4000 is 4.9mV at 50 Ohm 1V/div 1Ghz with 8.4 ENOB

Actualy I think its nice scope,but the lies,tryhard hyping and astroturfing is getting on my nerves
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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2017, 07:31:36 am »
Why do you sad gits always have to make a big deal when you see a woman with some technology and make out like she has got to be some sort of imposter? I know in this case she is astroturfing poorly, but that has nothing to do with her gender. No wonder there are no woman that participate openly in this forum. It’s embarrassing.

(Edit) wasn’t replying to you fonograph.
 
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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2017, 07:33:36 am »
but that has nothing to do with her gender
In this case it has everything to do with her gender. And the fact that she clearly tried to use it to sell things. There is no other point to her post.

As soon as she comes in and manages to discuss the points fonograph made, the gender will go to the second plan real fast. Right now there is absolutely nothing else to discuss, but her looks.

And forums are perfect equalizers. All you need to do is not disclose your gender, and this bias will be eliminated completely.

Now remove picture from the post. Does it have any value whatsoever after that? Not really.
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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2017, 08:00:32 am »
Welcome to the forum.   :) :palm:
 

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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2017, 08:05:43 am »
Spammers are not welcome.

I would welcome companies to participate, but with appropriate introduction and disclosure.
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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2017, 08:09:49 am »

And forums are perfect equalizers. All you need to do is not disclose your gender, and this bias will be eliminated completely.

You have happily disclosed your gender. And posted a picture of yourself (I presume)

Maybe that’s because every single thing you post doesn’t get written off because of the fact that you were born female.

If a guy had posted the same image, he would have been also rightly derided for astroturfing, but we both know the fact he was a a man wouldn’t have been mentioned.

That’s a real level playing field you’ve set up there mate. Maybe you’d be happier if she wore a bag over her head to participate.
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« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2017, 08:12:25 am »
I actually was sure that this was posted by a man and it was some stock photo, until I found that LinkedIn post.

And using someone else likeness to promote a product is fine, that's how models make money, and there is no judgment there. But this is  the case of of using your own appearance to achieve something.
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« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2017, 08:18:33 am »
Spammers are not welcome.

I would welcome companies to participate, but with appropriate introduction and disclosure.

Yeah, I agree and would have expected a bit more from someone in their position, it does nothing more than display contempt and a lack of respect for those here and the forum as a whole. I probably wouldn't mind so much if they did the right thing and declared their interest from the outset and nothing to do with gender, it's about common decency.
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« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2017, 08:20:51 am »
And if we are talking about equal treatment, if I were to start a post with "I have a 10" dick, and I have a question about this transistor", the discussion will not be about the transistor. This is exact same scenario - "I'm a beautiful woman, here is a picture to prove it, now lets talk about scopes". 
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« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2017, 08:24:10 am »
Alex, I think you can better use that bridge you were trying to sell to Rhys.  :-DD

Yeah, I agree and would have expected a bit more from someone in their position, it does nothing more than display contempt and a lack of respect for those here and the forum as a whole. I probably wouldn't mind so much if they did the right thing and declared their interest from the outset and nothing to do with gender, it's about common decency.
You guys are a bit tough on a new member, hell what does Tek5 indicate ?  :-//

Cut her some slack and see what she has to offer if it's not too late.  :palm:
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« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2017, 08:29:01 am »
You guys are a bit tough on a new member, hell what does Tek5 indicate ?  :-//:
I doubt she will be back, but not because of this treatment, but because of the spam like behavior. There is no interest to participate, the goal is to spread the message across the board.
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« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2017, 08:30:10 am »
I posted a disingenuous welcome message, that's about as good as it gets in this case.   ::) :P 
 

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« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2017, 09:28:29 am »
Nails are a big thing with the ladies, especially now that the local mall sweatshops work cheap, and Paige/Tek5 ? above is displaying a nicely done set    :clap:

Ladies are welcome here AFAIK, be they noobs, techs, hobbyist, EEs   :-+ :-+


Back to those scope connections...if it hasn't got isolated inputs with the assumed big dollar Tek tag, I can envisage an expensive 8 channel nuke coming

Where oh WHERE is the external trigger input ?  ???

Is that a USB Bang! scenario hooked up too?  :o


Front USB ports... side slot for VHS tapes ?  Cortana?   ;D

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« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2017, 09:49:59 am »
It is not clear why Tek would do this, but this may be one of their most creative sales reps, of course.

It's also sexist; there are 6 or 7 men there clearly using the scope and we're looking at the only woman in the room, facing us.

But she's cute! :D
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« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2017, 09:53:00 am »
T-shirt...  :clap: This shirt idea real good - just need to replace scope model with some colleague name if corporate life gets all too dull ::)

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« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2017, 10:10:22 am »
Can we please stop discussing genders and start discussing scope hardware teardowns?

I would be very curious to see how the architecture has changed since DPO4/5xxx-series (and MDOs which weren't truly different).

I would be incredible if Tek would publish a "look inside".
 

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Think gender => hardware transition has to be smooth. As middle stage propose make various hardware-related T-shirts, for example:

"Tanya*, you can load my probe all night any time!"
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« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2017, 10:27:11 am »
Can we please stop discussing genders and start discussing scope hardware teardowns?

I would be very curious to see how the architecture has changed since DPO4/5xxx-series (and MDOs which weren't truly different).

I would be incredible if Tek would publish a "look inside".

In the thread about new MDO 5,Dave was critical about the Flex probe thing so I think Tek is never going to send him one,so he will not get chance to do teardown.

Signal Path Shariar made MDO 5 preview,he also does teardown often,even expensive gear so he is our only chance for proper teardown.
 

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« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2017, 11:50:20 am »
Alex, I think you can better use that bridge you were trying to sell to Rhys.  :-DD

Yeah, I agree and would have expected a bit more from someone in their position, it does nothing more than display contempt and a lack of respect for those here and the forum as a whole. I probably wouldn't mind so much if they did the right thing and declared their interest from the outset and nothing to do with gender, it's about common decency.
You guys are a bit tough on a new member, hell what does Tek5 indicate ?  :-//

Cut her some slack and see what she has to offer if it's not too late.  :palm:


It was a poor excuse for "fly-tipping" a link on the forum, she and yes it was a she that posted it added the photo just to keep men drooling, gender stereotyping goes both ways. Just in case it was not clear, this account is registered to a tectronix email account of a female person. she is clearly an avid buyer of cheap chinese grid tie inverters and thought she would reuse a cheap chinese marketing ploy.

Normally i would have deleted the thread and banned the user for petty spam, but the way this was done is begging to be left out here as a testament of their "marketing" practices.
 

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« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2017, 12:17:23 pm »
Yes, it look like like spam ... but is it really a spam?
Is the marketing manager of Tektronix really so stupid?

That sounds too big to be true.
It may also be the revenge of an employee who is dismissed or sabotaged by a competing firm.
 

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« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2017, 12:21:11 pm »
In which case they should have been locked out of their company email and they are in deep shit if they are doing that.
 

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« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2017, 12:31:22 pm »
In which case they should have been locked out of their company email and they are in deep shit if they are doing that.
Not at all .... this person does nothing wrong, quite the contrary, it tries to promote the products of Tektronix.
How is this reprehensible?
The negative interpretation of his intervention is totally subjective ... Is it spam or not?
Nothing proves it.
I really do not see how there would be anything that would justify a claim in Justice.
 

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« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2017, 12:34:41 pm »
If it is an ex Tektronix employee then they are misrepresenting and will be in deep shit with Tek. You don't use a company email for non company business and you don't speak on behalf of that company without authorization. You can't see her email address but I can.....
 

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« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2017, 12:36:04 pm »
At least some of us have seen this scope in reality
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/yet-another-fast-edge-pulse-generator/msg1264778/#msg1264778
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/overview-of-the-tektronix-mso58-8-channel-6-25gss-2ghz-mixed-signal-scope/msg1226890/#msg1226890

I'm not sure about the smiling blonde (if anyone of use had seen her in reality). But that's just marketing, everytime I've ordered some equipment or parts, the pictured woman wasn't delivered with it. Is this some kind of fraud?

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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2017, 12:41:27 pm »
If it is an ex Tektronix employee then they are misrepresenting and will be in deep shit with Tek. You don't use a company email for non company business and you don't speak on behalf of that company without authorization. You can't see her email address but I can.....
You are neither a judge nor a director of Tektronix.
You can not assert things that come out of your power.

If the person who posted this topic may or may not have problems, it's not up to you to say .... Your only power as a moderator is to delete a topic and ban a member.
 

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« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2017, 12:47:56 pm »
When she's not selling scopes - https://a3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/107/6dc589c07af24cc8aca5d8368eb0966e/full.jpg

That’s definitely her in the centre.
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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2017, 12:50:39 pm »
I am pointing out obvious company policy of any employer. I'd not come on here and talk on behalf of my employer without their consent.
 

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« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2017, 12:56:03 pm »
but that has nothing to do with her gender
In this case it has everything to do with her gender. And the fact that she clearly tried to use it to sell things. There is no other point to her post.
As soon as she comes in and manages to discuss the points fonograph made, the gender will go to the second plan real fast. Right now

Rubbish.
She's just a typical target market clueless but eager marketing person who screwed up a post that makes it look like laughable astroturfing (intentionally or not), that's it. Anything else is your interpretation of it.

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there is absolutely nothing else to discuss, but her looks.

Err, you aren't very creative.
How about the very poor and laughable attempt by Tektronix staff to potentially astroturf the forum?
How about that no one is really talking about the 5 series scope any more as predicted after after the big marketing hoopla fell flat?
How about pointing the poor marketing person to a ton of Series 5 technical and marketing feedback that's already on the forum?
You know, anything but what genitals the person in the photo has because that doesn't matter a rats arse.
 

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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2017, 12:59:24 pm »
Yes, it look like like spam ... but is it really a spam?

Let's see. New member, first post. Check.

Displays no knowledge about the sort of people who hang out here or the fact that this 'scope has been extensively discussed already. Check.

Posts a picture that can be found in a Tektronix Manager's profile on linkedin, complete with the exact same text as was posted here. Check.

Yes, it's spam.



Is the marketing manager of Tektronix really so stupid?

Let this thread serve as a warning to others.
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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2017, 12:59:42 pm »
If it is an ex Tektronix employee then they are misrepresenting and will be in deep shit with Tek. You don't use a company email for non company business and you don't speak on behalf of that company without authorization. You can't see her email address but I can.....
You are neither a judge nor a director of Tektronix.
You can not assert things that come out of your power.

I can assure you that the person who set up this account could not have done so without access to the Tektronix email address that moderators can see in the user profile (all accounts are email verified). This person clearly works for Tektronix.
 

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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2017, 01:01:32 pm »
I am pointing out obvious company policy of any employer. I'd not come on here and talk on behalf of my employer without their consent.
I am pointing out any company policy of any employer. Obvious policy in England, perhaps ... How do you know that it is valid in the USA at Tektronix?

Before saying anything and everything, would not it be smarter to get in touch with Tektronix and ask them what they think about it?
Would not it be more honest and correct to ask them if they officially approve this topic before launching accusations of spam?
There is an essential rule in life: never to make accusations without evidence and means to prove it
 

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« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2017, 01:04:49 pm »
Looks like my internal ad blocker went off. This is how this went for me:

1. Hmm spam - lets get a look anyway.
2. Shitty ground strapping,
3. Horrid looking pulse edges
4. Three female USB holes before. No one needs three USB holes in it!
5. Why is the bench so clean? Where's all the crap and burn marks.
6. It's going to get finger prints on it. I still haven't gotten over my wife touching my FD Trinitron about 15 years ago.
7. Oh there's a woman and people are angry about it.

If Picard was beaming it down off the enterprise I might be less objective.

Incidentally we tend to fire people for pulling shit like that.
 

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« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2017, 01:06:31 pm »
If it is an ex Tektronix employee then they are misrepresenting and will be in deep shit with Tek. You don't use a company email for non company business and you don't speak on behalf of that company without authorization. You can't see her email address but I can.....
You are neither a judge nor a director of Tektronix.
You can not assert things that come out of your power.

I can assure you that the person who set up this account could not have done so without access to the Tektronix email address that moderators can see in the user profile (all accounts are email verified). This person clearly works for Tektronix.
Can't you simply ask to Tektronix if that person officially represents Tektronix and if she act with their consent?
 

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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2017, 01:06:57 pm »
So, lacking the hardware to look at, I took a stab at their firmware. It's pretty interesting. Random findings:

- The scope seems to be called "Elemental". (DPO5xxx was "AnalogKid", for example... :))
- Linux based, x64-based system
- "Tek049" seems to be their main ASIC, doing ADC and filtering, and I'd guess it also contains the demuxes and memory interface. It's connected via PCIe.
- some ini files refer to a (simulated) "MSO54", "MSO56", "MSO58", "MDO 4Ch", "MDO 6Ch", "MDO 8Ch", "MDO 4Ch + 1Rf", "MDO 6Ch + 1Rf", "MDO 8Ch + 1Rf"; who would have guessed, they're planning an MDO version of it...
- Software architecture seems to be QT-based; they use Python + Matlab for prototyping/calibration/testing/development. (There are python wrappers for their "CalSubsystem", which allows to invoke calibration functions
- Devices are "Afe" (Analog Frontend?), "Rfe" (RF Frontend?), "Afg" (signal gen?), "Tek049" (ADCs?), "Tek026" (Trigger IC?), "Mia" (their waveform-display-mux-FPGA), Hfd144, Hfd117
- Software seems to also work under Windows (well, if compiled for windows...); They ship some batch files which clearly can't be executed in the linux environment

Architecture seems to be very plugin-based and scriptable. It could be nice...
 
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« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2017, 01:08:12 pm »
Although it's pretty trivial to find, out of courtesy I have redacts the persons name and links.
 

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« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2017, 01:13:30 pm »
Can't you simply ask to Tektronix if that person officially represents Tektronix and if she act with their consent?

Given her job title and description I don't think there is any need to ask, she would have full permission and authority to reach out to the public on places like this forum.
Ironically, her profile includes a comment saying she is always prepared to be "accountable". Well, I hope she learns from this that what she has done is laughably embarrassing in this industry and to the very target audience she it tasked to engage.

Some advice for her:
1) Don't spam
2) Always declare who you work for and position if you represent the company (otherwise it looks like astroturfing)
3) At least appear to have a clue about the product and talk technical. Not this "excitement on engineers faces" fluff.
4) Search the forum you join first to see if anyone has already talked about the product already, rather than leaving yourself open for embarrassment because you didn't know it's already been discussed and debated extensively.
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« Reply #57 on: October 12, 2017, 01:21:26 pm »
4. Three female USB holes before. No one needs three USB holes in it!
One to charge your phone, one for USB memory, one for keyboard/mouse...
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« Reply #58 on: October 12, 2017, 01:21:38 pm »
Can't you simply ask to Tektronix if that person officially represents Tektronix and if she act with their consent?

Given her job title and description I don't think there is any need to ask, she would have full permission and authority to reach out to the public on places like this forum.
Ironically, her profile includes a comment saying she is always prepared to be "accountable". Well, I hope she learns from this that what she has done is laughably embarrassing in this industry and to the very target audience she it tasked to engage.

Some advice for her:
1) Don't spam
2) Always declare who you work for and position if you represent the company (otherwise it looks like astroturfing)
3) At least appear to have a clue about the product and talk technical. Not this "excitement on engineers faces" fluff.
4) Search the forum you join first to see if anyone has already talked about the product already, rather than leaving yourself open for embarrassment because you didn't know it's already been discussed and debated extensively.
Dave, if you are absolutely sure that this is a spam, I think it is appropriate to simply remove the Topic.
Otherwise the forum could become a free advertising platform.

I note that other firms have a more constructive approach, such as Keysight, which participates in this forum to help members who have problems with their products.
 

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« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2017, 01:23:24 pm »
Would not it be more honest and correct to ask them if they officially approve this topic before launching accusations of spam?
There is an essential rule in life: never to make accusations without evidence and means to prove it

Given that the post is the exact same text as has been posted elsewhere, it's spam.
Not even a small personalisation like  "Hi EEVblog Forum members" or some such.
 

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« Reply #60 on: October 12, 2017, 01:23:38 pm »
4. Three female USB holes before. No one needs three USB holes in it!

Better female, than male  :scared:
And front is just a tease, real deal is on the back...
5 more! All straight female but one with a twist...



Good stuff, suppose sane persons can use mouse and keyboard instead of waving limbs around.

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Three USB Host ports on the front of the instrument: two USB 2.0 High Speed ports and one USB 3.0 Super Speed port
Four USB Host ports on the rear of the instruments: two USB 2.0 High Speed ports and two USB 3.0 Super Speed ports
One USB 3.0 Super Speed Device port on the rear of the instrument providing USBTMC support


 

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« Reply #61 on: October 12, 2017, 01:25:09 pm »
4. Three female USB holes before. No one needs three USB holes in it!
One to charge your phone, one for USB memory, one for keyboard/mouse...

And an extra two needed to power the power hungry demo board they typically use (one often isn't enough, so they often supply a USB power splitter cable).
 

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« Reply #62 on: October 12, 2017, 01:25:53 pm »
It's also sexist; there are 6 or 7 men there clearly using the scope and we're looking at the only woman in the room, facing us.

what a daft criticism.
It shows a woman next to the scope because that was who posted the image.
Just the same as if you had posted it, it would have showed a man.

It's really not. She may or may not be a very talented engineer. She may or may not have actually used the oscilloscope before taking this photograph. But the reason this image was chosen to headline this aborted attempt at online marketing is simple: she's an attractive woman. It's the same reason that pharmaceutical sales representatives are almost all young, attractive women. Some higher up at the respective company thinks (or knows) that it's effective. Which is fine, that's the world that we live in.

The problem here is:
  • this is too thinly veiled
  • it's way too late
  • most of us will be more aroused by the oscilloscope than the woman

And, of course neither you nor I could have known that apparently the original poster is not the pictured woman, but another person (possibly a woman, possibly older, it seems certainly working for Tektronix).
 

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« Reply #63 on: October 12, 2017, 01:26:52 pm »
4. Three female USB holes before. No one needs three USB holes in it!
One to charge your phone, one for USB memory, one for keyboard/mouse...

And an extra two needed to power the power hungry demo board they typically use (one often isn't enough, so they often supply a USB power splitter cable).

That makes sense now :)
 

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« Reply #64 on: October 12, 2017, 01:27:16 pm »


This is the first time I've seen the back I think.
I kinda like the complete air slot approach. Does it even have a fan?
 

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« Reply #65 on: October 12, 2017, 01:32:01 pm »
Does it even have a fan?

There is at least 1, that dude with a T-shirt!
 
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« Reply #66 on: October 12, 2017, 01:33:51 pm »


This is the first time I've seen the back I think.
I kinda like the complete air slot approach. Does it even have a fan?

No kidding, that's two things that are more arousing than the woman in the photo: the oscilloscope itself and those giant heatsinks!




 

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« Reply #67 on: October 12, 2017, 01:34:02 pm »
Dave, if you are absolutely sure that this is a spam, I think it is appropriate to simply remove the Topic.
Otherwise the forum could become a free advertising platform.

No, no way... leave it here forever.  :-DD

 

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« Reply #68 on: October 12, 2017, 01:34:23 pm »
It looks like a cage for dust.
 

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« Reply #69 on: October 12, 2017, 01:34:38 pm »
It's also sexist; there are 6 or 7 men there clearly using the scope and we're looking at the only woman in the room, facing us.

what a daft criticism.
It shows a woman next to the scope because that was who posted the image.
Just the same as if you had posted it, it would have showed a man.

It's really not. She may or may not be a very talented engineer. She may or may not have actually used the oscilloscope before taking this photograph. But the reason this image was chosen to headline this aborted attempt at online marketing is simple: she's an attractive woman.

No, she is the one in the photo, it's a selfie in a training classroom as described, that's all there is too it.
Can we please stop talking about gender.
 

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« Reply #70 on: October 12, 2017, 01:37:09 pm »
It looks like a cage for dust.

Well, no one said it didn't have downsides, just like their 8 channel scope that becomes a zero channel scope if you use all the advertised digital channels  >:D
 

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« Reply #71 on: October 12, 2017, 01:37:30 pm »
It's also sexist; there are 6 or 7 men there clearly using the scope and we're looking at the only woman in the room, facing us.

what a daft criticism.
It shows a woman next to the scope because that was who posted the image.
Just the same as if you had posted it, it would have showed a man.

It's really not. She may or may not be a very talented engineer. She may or may not have actually used the oscilloscope before taking this photograph. But the reason this image was chosen to headline this aborted attempt at online marketing is simple: she's an attractive woman.

No, she is the one in the photo, it's a selfie in a training classroom as described, that's all there is too it.
Can we please stop talking about gender.

Oh, right. The other person in the previous page is her boss or something. I see.

And, sure thing boss.
 

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« Reply #72 on: October 12, 2017, 01:43:01 pm »
It looks like a cage for dust.

But super easy to blow out, without having to rip apart.

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« Reply #73 on: October 12, 2017, 01:48:30 pm »
That's what I thought when I saw the xbox 360 :)
 

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« Reply #74 on: October 12, 2017, 03:04:30 pm »
How about that no one is really talking about the 5 series scope any more as predicted after after the big marketing hoopla fell flat?
I wouldn't mind taking the Tektronix 5 series for a test drive if it would somehow fit my budget. Maybe Tektronix comes up with a 4 series as well. For starters I see deep memory AND peak-detect as features the competition doesn't have.
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« Reply #75 on: October 12, 2017, 04:49:54 pm »
That looks like poorly conceived spam.

Tektronix has no idea I posted this. I have been around engineers all my life. My father is a hardware design engineer at Tek and worked on the newly release AWG5200.
 

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« Reply #76 on: October 12, 2017, 04:51:41 pm »
We get it, you've been around scopes. I've been around buildings all my life, does not mean I know how to build one.

The intent was clearly to increase awareness =>  spam.
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« Reply #77 on: October 12, 2017, 04:53:17 pm »
Not Sexist at all! Tektronix is big on growing the number of women in technology. Heck the VP is a women!
You realize it is not a personal message thing? No need to reply the same thing to everyone here. VP is an administrative position, and there are a lot of women in administrative positions. This is not a big deal.
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« Reply #78 on: October 12, 2017, 04:59:35 pm »
It looks like a cage for dust.
Back to the days of the old CRT TV.  Hope the cats don't take a liking to...
 

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« Reply #79 on: October 12, 2017, 05:20:54 pm »
Not Sexist at all! Tektronix is big on growing the number of women in technology. Heck the VP is a women!
You realize it is not a personal message thing? No need to reply the same thing to everyone here. VP is an administrative position, and there are a lot of women in administrative positions. This is not a big deal.

I think you're missing the point that I am trying to get across. It was disappointing to come back and find multiple replies calling this post sexist and a sales tactic. It's sad people see a female next to a scope and jump straight to those conclusions. I wasn't trying to sale, I was explaining my experience with this scope and asked what others thought.
 
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« Reply #80 on: October 12, 2017, 05:28:57 pm »
and asked what others thought.
And fonograph expressed some valid concerns. We can discuss those. I'm sure there is some engineering though went into the design. What is it? Especially the part where scope turns into a pumpkin when you try to use digital channels?

Because right now it looks like you've been trying to create "engagement", with no intent to actually contribute anything. This is a pretty transparent tactic.
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Re: Tektronix New 8 Channel Scope with the Largest Touchscreen Display
« Reply #81 on: October 12, 2017, 05:30:12 pm »
Not Sexist at all! Tektronix is big on growing the number of women in technology. Heck the VP is a women!
You realize it is not a personal message thing? No need to reply the same thing to everyone here. VP is an administrative position, and there are a lot of women in administrative positions. This is not a big deal.

I think you're missing the point that I am trying to get across. It was disappointing to come back and find multiple replies calling this post sexist and a sales tactic. It's sad people see a female next to a scope and jump straight to those conclusions. I wasn't trying to sale, I was explaining my experience with this scope and asked what others thought.

Erm, so please do explain your experience, you post just said that you enjoyed the scope or whatever vacuous words you used. I am sorry but the post was out and out spam. As i said before usually it would have been deleted but as you or tectronix decided to make such an entertaining spectacle of failing to do good covert advertising it was worth leaving. You could always post a video of the scope being used (by you or anyone else) to help people share your enthusiasm and understand more about the machine.
 

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« Reply #82 on: October 12, 2017, 05:37:44 pm »
I think you're missing the point that I am trying to get across. It was disappointing to come back and find multiple replies calling this post sexist and a sales tactic. It's sad people see a female next to a scope and jump straight to those conclusions. I wasn't trying to sale, I was explaining my experience with this scope and asked what others thought.
Let there be some peace and let's cool down! Welcome to this crazy forum, by the way.

The facts are: we see a photo of a beautiful lady with an oscilloscope. Think about it: how many photos of beautiful ladies with
electronic gear in which the lady is not a model have you seen?

So we all jumped onto the obvious, albeit wrong guess in this case. We have assumed that Tektronix was trying some sales pitch on the forum in a way that we don't consider classy. But we don't consider it classy because we assume that the photo features a model pretending to be using the
scope. Of course the sexist interpretation is inside our own minds, as it often happens.

True, if you look closely at the photo you will notice that it's not a professional job because of the color temperature difference between your face and the natural light coming through the windows. But that's not so obvious though!

So, I imagine you agree that a publicity photo featuring a beautiful female model and a scope would be sexist publicity. It's just that this is not the case right now and we have got it completely wrong. But I am sure that you will understand that, sadly, it's not exactly surprising that we got it wrong, as it's often the case.

Although I didn't post with my interpretation of the photo I must admit that I got it wrong and I apologise for that.

Now, we can go back on topic and maybe you will be willing to let us know what you liked the most!  :)

 

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« Reply #83 on: October 12, 2017, 05:44:50 pm »
The photo did not add any value to the post, why was it not a well lit close up of the scope so that we could appreciate the scope? we still have not had any technical discussion about this scope. Someone loves using it and is in a picture with it..... that is all we have.
 

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« Reply #84 on: October 12, 2017, 07:01:16 pm »
Anything that needs a probe that big needs a broom handle to attach it to
 
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« Reply #85 on: October 12, 2017, 07:10:53 pm »
Tektronix is actually really big on growing the number of women in technology. Heck, the VP of Tektronix is a women.
Not Sexist at all! Tektronix is big on growing the number of women in technology. Heck the VP is a women!
Majestic plural? Sorry, couldn't resist ;)
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« Reply #86 on: October 12, 2017, 07:11:49 pm »
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I have an engineer for a father and have been around scopes all my life. I used to go to take your daughter to work day at Tek. I loved the training on this scope and wanted to share. Tektronix has no idea I posted this.
When I read that, I could not help smiling.
Does anyone really believe in such nonsense? |O

If I understand correctly, you do not work at Tektronix, so you probably used your father's email address to post here .... All of this, without your father or Tektronix knowing ...
Even if you works at Tektronix, you should never post this without Tektronix knowing...

It's a little too big to be credible .... :-DD
 

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« Reply #87 on: October 12, 2017, 07:20:31 pm »


If I understand correctly, you do not work at Tektronix, so you probably used your father's email address to post here .... All of this, without your father or Tektronix knowing ...
Even if you works at Tektronix, you should never post this without Tektronix knowing...

It's a little too big to be credible .... :-DD

Why don't you stop talking bollocks ? she does work at tectronix, she used her own work email to sign up to the forum and this has been explained but you seem to be acting dense and keep picking arguments where none lay.

it's simply a case that she must know all about oscilloscopes because her dad designs them.
 

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« Reply #88 on: October 12, 2017, 07:23:29 pm »
Right now I feel that this thread if too full of posts that skid too close to techbro/secret treehouse-wank.

It's a bit sad, that OP of her's. This could have been a good thing if Tek5 would have made something that doesn't read like spam coupled with a bad ad from a 1970's motorbike magazine. And by all means, if Tek5 wants to post a contribution (that I'm sure she's capable of), I'd welcome that.
 
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« Reply #89 on: October 12, 2017, 07:49:21 pm »
I think the problem is that Tek5 is a sales drone and never really learnt that much from her father in terms of technical detail. Therefor she will struggle to have a meaningful discussion about the specs of a scope which is what someone coming on here from tectronix would be expected to talk about. Obviously if she wants to talk technical I'm sure people will have lots of things to discuss.
 

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« Reply #90 on: October 12, 2017, 07:54:49 pm »
Not Sexist at all! Tektronix is big on growing the number of women in technology. Heck the VP is a women!
You realize it is not a personal message thing? No need to reply the same thing to everyone here. VP is an administrative position, and there are a lot of women in administrative positions. This is not a big deal.

I think you're missing the point that I am trying to get across. It was disappointing to come back and find multiple replies calling this post sexist and a sales tactic. It's sad people see a female next to a scope and jump straight to those conclusions. I wasn't trying to sale, I was explaining my experience with this scope and asked what others thought.


Let's see...

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A couple of months ago I was lucky enough to play with the new revolutionary 8 channel oscilloscopes in a training class provided by Tektronix! Seeing the excitement on all the engineers faces while using the MSO 5 Series scope reminded me of kids in a candy store :)




bull. shit.

And don't try to turn my sexism comment around on me. It's not sexist at all if you are a genuine person, genuinely sharing your experience, on a person-to-person level. It's only sexist when it's turned into advertising. This is some South Park advertising level nonsense. You're an ad, it's an add, we're all just ads!
 

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« Reply #91 on: October 12, 2017, 08:05:35 pm »
I showed my wife this thread as a neutral party of the opposite gender.

Her muttered comments were:

1. Not an engineer with nails like that. They’d break in two minutes flat.
2. She’s just earning a living.
3. You’re not thinking about buying one of them are you? You’ve already got lots of oscilloscopes.
4. Wow people take things way too seriously.
5. What’s the big red thing that looks like a butt plug?
 
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« Reply #92 on: October 12, 2017, 08:07:50 pm »
I showed my wife this thread as a neutral party of the opposite gender.
3. You’re not thinking about buying one of them are you? You’ve already got lots of oscilloscopes.
;D ;D
5. What’s the big red thing that looks like a butt plug?
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« Reply #93 on: October 12, 2017, 08:14:20 pm »
So what the new scope and pic are easy on the eyes, lol.
Let's hear you guys on how to market test equipment to a younger generation of engineers.
You'd rather have grandpa working that scope? This is hilarious.
I've worked with female engineers and they do their nails, makeup, heels the same as any other female professionals.
This seems to cause a commotion among all the hermit engineers here.

But I agree, the best is for Dave to evaluate the new scope. He won't take it apart ;) instead of the poster post.


I looked at the MSO5 video and specs, I'd need to take one for a test drive and see if the touchscreen is decent, especially managing 8 channels.
I can't see using the 1mV/div sensitivity with that 400W PC behind it and probably CCFL backlighting, for quiet analog work.
 

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« Reply #94 on: October 12, 2017, 08:18:48 pm »
i want one youtube review by the OP. and i like the picture ::D alot better than that coffee maker spam... i vote not to delete this thread it shows some important aspects of members' attitude... anyway, can the scope be used with this?...
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Of course it can!

And I like the picture, too. I think the scope is freakin' amazing. I think Tek might have over-promised and under-delivered by a few percent (and I think it's more than a few percent overpriced), but I still think it's an amazing scope and I can't wait to see what an MDO version of it would be like.

I just want this place to be a space where people can interact with people, and corporations who want to get in on it still have to go through people who are transparent about their working relationships. I want the people employed by Tek to say things like "Man, that new Keysight _____ is pretty awesome" and vice-versa, if they think those statements are true! Engineers often admire other engineers' work, and that's a cool part of what this forum lets us do.

And pretty much all of us here recognize what Dave would call probably call 'marketing wank.' Heck, he did mention that about this very scope a month or two (or three?) ago when discussion about this scope was rife. And hopefully we recognize it and compartmentalize it out, like we do in other areas of our life.

But at the end of the day, this forum is about engineering.
 

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« Reply #95 on: October 12, 2017, 08:24:22 pm »
So what the new scope and pic are easy on the eyes, lol.
Let's hear you guys on how to market test equipment to a younger generation of engineers.
You'd rather have grandpa working that scope? This is hilarious.
I've worked with female engineers and they do their nails, makeup, heels the same as any other female professionals.
This seems to cause a commotion among all the hermit engineers here.

But I agree, the best is for Dave to evaluate the new scope. He won't take it apart ;) instead of the poster post.


I looked at the MSO5 video and specs, I'd need to take one for a test drive and see if the touchscreen is decent, especially managing 8 channels.
I can't see using the 1mV/div sensitivity with that 400W PC behind it and probably CCFL backlighting, for quiet analog work.

I was about to type "any marketing that causes such a big backlash is not good marketing", but I'm not even sure that's true.

In any case, no. I don't necessarily want to see grandpa and this scope. I want to see all of the people in that room, using this scope. I want to hear their thoughts and testimonials. I want to see the signals they looked at, the idiosyncrasies they discovered in their short time with it. What I don't want is to see a room full of people using an oscilloscope, with a picture focused on the only person in the room who is not currently using the oscilloscope, with a blurb of text that contains essentially no information.

I can't speak for anyone else in this thread, but if people are taking any of my comments to be negative toward women in engineering in any way, then I have failed to communicate effectively.
 

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« Reply #96 on: October 12, 2017, 08:26:49 pm »
For a 'Content/Video manager' at Tek there's been no content as such yet.  :=\

Want to put some of this agro to bed then post at least some meaningful screenshots you've done, not swiped from some tech that's done them for you.
Who doesn't want to see what a new scope can do ?  :-//

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« Reply #97 on: October 12, 2017, 08:40:58 pm »
I think you're missing the point that I am trying to get across. It was disappointing to come back and find multiple replies calling this post sexist and a sales tactic. It's sad people see a female next to a scope and jump straight to those conclusions. I wasn't trying to sale, I was explaining my experience with this scope and asked what others thought.
Let there be some peace and let's cool down! Welcome to this crazy forum, by the way.

The facts are: we see a photo of a beautiful lady with an oscilloscope. Think about it: how many photos of beautiful ladies with
electronic gear in which the lady is not a model have you seen?

So we all jumped onto the obvious, albeit wrong guess in this case. We have assumed that Tektronix was trying some sales pitch on the forum in a way that we don't consider classy. But we don't consider it classy because we assume that the photo features a model pretending to be using the
scope. Of course the sexist interpretation is inside our own minds, as it often happens.

True, if you look closely at the photo you will notice that it's not a professional job because of the color temperature difference between your face and the natural light coming through the windows. But that's not so obvious though!

So, I imagine you agree that a publicity photo featuring a beautiful female model and a scope would be sexist publicity. It's just that this is not the case right now and we have got it completely wrong. But I am sure that you will understand that, sadly, it's not exactly surprising that we got it wrong, as it's often the case.

Although I didn't post with my interpretation of the photo I must admit that I got it wrong and I apologise for that.

Now, we can go back on topic and maybe you will be willing to let us know what you liked the most!  :)


I want to apologize, I am not an engineer and should have been more transparent on who I am and my role at Tektronix. I’m still learning and thought starting a discussion would be informative. I now see I went about it the wrong way, and for that I am truly sorry.

To answer your questions what I liked most, I would say from what I understand the component parts are all on the same ASIC, including a 12-bit ADC. In the training they explained the interact time is faster since most of the computations are done on the same chip.

To close on that note, I apologize again, I am not technical and am in the early stages of trying to learn.
 
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« Reply #98 on: October 12, 2017, 08:50:10 pm »
Well if you want o learn then hang about, there are plenty of helpful folk on here.
 
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« Reply #99 on: October 12, 2017, 09:34:00 pm »
Perhaps EEVblog could add guidance for new product announcements. A sticky maybe, for the marketing types.

It seems to be random posts by people who have purchased the gear, or done a teardown, or a manufacturer's rep. posting, or a review by Dave.

I'm not a test equipment manufacturer, but the best way to step in, such as offering (me) a free t-shirt, coffee cup ;) or having a contest/giveaway, purchasing an ad here,  etc. is all part of it. Anything to avoid stepping in it.
 

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« Reply #100 on: October 12, 2017, 10:00:12 pm »
Still trying to get over the fact that they sent one to Ben Heck and not Dave. Who are they marketing this to? Millionaire hacker/makers? Did watch w2aev & TheSignalPath vids which were nice. This Tek actually looks decent, stop hiding it with terrible marketing. Also regardless of how you feel about the mixed channels, it does differentiate it from others on the market. There's way too much feature matching in general.
 

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« Reply #101 on: October 12, 2017, 10:12:17 pm »
Still trying to get over the fact that they sent one to Ben Heck and not Dave. Who are they marketing this to? Millionaire hacker/makers? Did watch w2aev & TheSignalPath vids which were nice. This Tek actually looks decent, stop hiding it with terrible marketing. Also regardless of how you feel about the mixed channels, it does differentiate it from others on the market. There's way too much feature matching in general.

The other thing that really struck me as unique (though I haven't used any of these devices...) was that the threshold levels for the logic probe were individually settable, per channel, from +/- 40V in 10 mV steps. At least so says this link. I don't know who is running interfaces with 40V logic levels, but the flexibility is kind of nice. I could also see this being used to watch devices which have tri- or quad-state logic levels by putting multiple logic probes tips on each pin, and setting them individually.
 

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« Reply #102 on: October 12, 2017, 10:52:51 pm »
I want to apologize, I am not an engineer and should have been more transparent on who I am and my role at Tektronix. I’m still learning and thought starting a discussion would be informative. I now see I went about it the wrong way, and for that I am truly sorry.

To answer your questions what I liked most, I would say from what I understand the component parts are all on the same ASIC, including a 12-bit ADC. In the training they explained the interact time is faster since most of the computations are done on the same chip.

To close on that note, I apologize again, I am not technical and am in the early stages of trying to learn.
Great, so, now, welcome to the forum again.

This place offers huge opportunities to learn I think, as there are people with many different degrees of expertise. And I am sure it will be valuable to learn about at least some of your potential customers. It's algo a good study field for Metrological Anthropology. You know, all kind of weird behaviors, even cults, around the different instrumentat brands ;)

We all love to have some kind of direct channel with the manufacturers, even if feedback doesn't necessarily make it into policy or products. Anyway it certainly helps.



 

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« Reply #103 on: October 12, 2017, 11:16:59 pm »
Welcome to the forum, Tek5. It seems you share at least one thing in common with lots of folks around here: enthusiasm and fascination with new test equipment.
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« Reply #104 on: October 12, 2017, 11:27:20 pm »
I see a parallel here.

I get annoyed when there is a so-called celebrity car race on tv before the main event. All these well known people, including a number of young women of marketable appearance are for a short time given relatively high powered and expensive race cars to scoot around in, and you can bet that 99% of them don't have the slightest inkling of automotive engineering. They have not come up the hard way with their own money and blood sweat and tears to land in the driver's seat of some prestige event. Mostly they just had the luck, the genes, the connections etc etc.

Privilege masquerading as achievement.

In a similar vein, here's somebody that just happened to have a father that designs scopes for a major company. Surrounded by scopes since day one. Maybe had scopes in her playpen. Not like me who had to make my own at age 16 in the early 70's and I didn't know a single person who actually knew what you did with one.

Sure, the OP is spammy advertising, but what I think is also getting up everyone's nose is again someone of marketable appearance and with good connections but with no established street cred gushing over something that is way out of almost everyone else's reach and like it is an everyday fashion accessory.

I think part of the issue is jealousy, plain and simple, but with mixed reasons, some proper, some not.

That said, Tek5, welcome to the forum.
 

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« Reply #105 on: October 12, 2017, 11:34:28 pm »
I would disagree with this analysis, at least for me personally.

I have no desire to have this scope. Even if it was offered at $500, but with no ability to resell at a real price, I would not bother reaching for a credit card. I just don't need it.
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« Reply #106 on: October 13, 2017, 03:54:16 am »
Still trying to get over the fact that they sent one to Ben Heck and not Dave. Who are they marketing this to? Millionaire hacker/makers? Did watch w2aev & TheSignalPath vids which were nice. This Tek actually looks decent, stop hiding it with terrible marketing. Also regardless of how you feel about the mixed channels, it does differentiate it from others on the market. There's way too much feature matching in general.

I lost my respect for Tektronics marketing when they started placing w2aev videos as ads in front of every 2nd Signal Path video.  The first time I was "oops, clicked the wrong one", the second time "grrr, click". After that I just felt sorry for w2aev, with Tek marketing leeching off his hard earned reputation.

Marketing never seems to understand the concept of letting customers/users speak for themselves.
 

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« Reply #107 on: October 13, 2017, 04:35:23 am »
I get annoyed when there is a so-called celebrity car race on tv before the main event. All these well known people, including a number of young women of marketable appearance are for a short time given relatively high powered and expensive race cars to scoot around in, and you can bet that 99% of them don't have the slightest inkling of automotive engineering.

They could always splash some cash and get a celebrity who knows how to drive both a scope and car to make marketing videos.  Mr Bean in full character, along with teddy as his side kick.
 

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« Reply #108 on: October 13, 2017, 05:50:36 am »
I wasn't trying to sale, I was explaining my experience with this scope and asked what others thought.

Then:
a) Why is the text in your post exactly the same and those in other places? This is practically by definition, spam.
b) Why did you not actually share an "experince" with the scope. All you "shared" was this:
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Seeing the excitement on all the engineers faces while using the MSO 5 Series scope reminded me of kids in a candy store :)
Wondering if anyone else has had a chance to see this scope and what they think.
That's not sharing your personal experience with the actual scope.
 

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« Reply #109 on: October 13, 2017, 06:23:34 am »
I think the problem is that Tek hired some well established marketing people that know how to sell toasters to the general public and made them apply the same marketing strategy to the scope hoping for the new scope to causes a tektonic shift (pun intended) in the scope market.

A professional engineer is a very different kind of customer. We have well tuned bullshit detectors and they quickly start reading overload when we see the typical marketing tactics. At that point we stop beveling anything you say because we know your only interest is to sell us a product regardless of the fact that it might not be the best choice for our needs. All the info we just got was filtered to make the product look as good as possible. Engineers are trained for optimizing solutions to best fit a given problem, to do that we always seek reliable and accurate data about the performance of a given solution. Classical marketing material is simply seen as very unreliable performance metrics.

For example put two identical sets of speaker amplifiers on a shelf in a store, priced the same. On the box of the first one write things like "300W, Incredible sound, Bass boost technology etc.." On the other box write "70Wrms @ 0.1% THD into 8Ohm per channel, [Insert 4 characterized plots here]". I bet that 95% of average customers will buy the 300W one. Then send in a bunch of professional engineers and most will buy the 70W one. Engineers from other fields might pull out there phone and google some of the specs but will still feel more comfortable with the 70W one.
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« Reply #110 on: October 13, 2017, 06:58:53 am »


In a similar vein, here's somebody that just happened to have a father that designs scopes for a major company. Surrounded by scopes since day one. Maybe had scopes in her playpen. Not like me who had to make my own at age 16 in the early 70's and I didn't know a single person who actually knew what you did with one.

Sure, the OP is spammy advertising, but what I think is also getting up everyone's nose is again someone of marketable appearance and with good connections but with no established street cred gushing over something that is way out of almost everyone else's reach and like it is an everyday fashion accessory.

I think part of the issue is jealousy, plain and simple, but with mixed reasons, some proper, some not.

That said, Tek5, welcome to the forum.

No what got up peoples noses was that a person working for a company that they thought they respected fly-tipped spam on the forum in the sort of below the belt fashion that bots do and a clear misunderstanding that a forum is not facebook and people only come here for real discussion and that unlike facebook the contents of these forums will be here for as long as the forum exists.
 

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« Reply #111 on: October 13, 2017, 07:01:56 am »
I think the problem is that Tek hired some well established marketing people that know how to sell toasters to the general public and made them apply the same marketing strategy to the scope hoping for the new scope to causes a tektonic shift (pun intended) in the scope market.


I don't know, is she well established? sounds like she got a job there because her dad worked there. I have a similar case at work, strangely the guy is the most useless engineer we have in fact I don't consider him and engineer and merely a draughtsman and that effectively is all he does not matter what his email signature might say.
 

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« Reply #112 on: October 13, 2017, 07:02:53 am »
I want to apologize, I am not an engineer and should have been more transparent on who I am and my role at Tektronix. I’m still learning and thought starting a discussion would be informative. I now see I went about it the wrong way, and for that I am truly sorry.

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« Reply #113 on: October 13, 2017, 07:12:08 am »
Wow....it's good to see Tek published a tablet scope, I thought only Micsig do it before. And Tek's tablet scope seems more bigger, I would also want to know it's performance, if someone could give it a teardown, that would make that guy famous. ;D
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« Reply #114 on: October 13, 2017, 07:15:48 am »
Terrible tactics and trickery from Tektronix, this changes everything.   ::) :P   
 

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« Reply #115 on: October 13, 2017, 08:22:21 am »
Indeed it has been stated that this was not a post by tectronix but a post by one of it's employees who is well aware that this sort of posting does not quite get the expected reaction on engineering forums.
 

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« Reply #116 on: October 13, 2017, 08:50:29 am »
Fair enough, I did think twice prior to posting that last statement but as a purchaser and owner of Tektronix equipment over many years I found the original post distasteful and disappointing to say the least, anyway we will leave it at that. Dont forget though that a company is made up of individuals, all and each responsible for their actions. 
 

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« Reply #117 on: October 13, 2017, 09:34:29 am »
quite, hopefully this is indeed one individual and not company policy. I assume they have a fair few people working for them,
 

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« Reply #118 on: October 13, 2017, 10:11:35 am »
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Tektronix on Monday morning.   :P
 

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« Reply #119 on: October 13, 2017, 10:18:17 am »
While the OP was certainly a poor attempt at commiunity engagement, my goodness, what a pit of arrogant, sexist vipers here!!!! Just because someone is a woman doesn’t mean she was just hired to be a pretty face!!! Get over yourselves, if you think that “sexist” marketing applies to you, then it’s YOU who needs an attitude adjustment!


It's also sexist; there are 6 or 7 men there clearly using the scope and we're looking at the only woman in the room, facing us.

what a daft criticism.
It shows a woman next to the scope because that was who posted the image.
Just the same as if you had posted it, it would have showed a man.

It's really not. She may or may not be a very talented engineer. She may or may not have actually used the oscilloscope before taking this photograph. But the reason this image was chosen to headline this aborted attempt at online marketing is simple: she's an attractive woman. It's the same reason that pharmaceutical sales representatives are almost all young, attractive women. Some higher up at the respective company thinks (or knows) that it's effective. Which is fine, that's the world that we live in.

The problem here is:
  • this is too thinly veiled
  • it's way too late
  • most of us will be more aroused by the oscilloscope than the woman

And, of course neither you nor I could have known that apparently the original poster is not the pictured woman, but another person (possibly a woman, possibly older, it seems certainly working for Tektronix).
No, we already knew many posts ago that it IS her, posted with HER work account. From her replies, I assume she knows more about scopes than about marketing. What’s she supposed to do when taking a selfie in a room of men, masquerade as a man?!?

On a similar vein: Should a knowledgeable person who happens to be naturally pretty or handsome therefore be prohibited from posting a selfie, because horny, cynical engineers will simply assume that it’s a marketing ploy?!? I think that’s absurd.

And we wonder why more women don’t go into STEM fields...  :palm:
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« Reply #120 on: October 13, 2017, 11:18:06 am »
While the OP was certainly a poor attempt at commiunity engagement, my goodness, what a pit of arrogant, sexist vipers here!!!! Just because someone is a woman doesn’t mean she was just hired to be a pretty face!!! Get over yourselves, if you think that “sexist” marketing applies to you, then it’s YOU who needs an attitude adjustment!


No, we already knew many posts ago that it IS her, posted with HER work account. From her replies, I assume she knows more about scopes than about marketing. What’s she supposed to do when taking a selfie in a room of men, masquerade as a man?!?

On a similar vein: Should a knowledgeable person who happens to be naturally pretty or handsome therefore be prohibited from posting a selfie, because horny, cynical engineers will simply assume that it’s a marketing ploy?!? I think that’s absurd.

And we wonder why more women don’t go into STEM fields...  :palm:

You could not be more wrong, IF you read the topic only a page or two back she has admitted to not knowing anything. She is simply a sales person that misjudged how to engage with "on the ground" engineers - not their bosses. Naturally like any member of the forum we will be happy to help her learn things as she claims to want to do. I would not have objected to the picture had it not been 99% of the posts content and a repeat of what she has posted anywhere else. It was a simple case of "fly-tipping" or hit and run. But this is a forum, not facebook and the post does not stay up for 20 seconds before becoming history in the facebook stream it stays there for as long as people discuss it for better or worse.
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« Reply #121 on: October 13, 2017, 11:28:55 am »
just played the mso58?with mass heating?the rear even can not  be touchable?i never think?it is a good combination for computer and oscilloscope?while the heating from computer may kill the oscilloscope.and little benifit can be gotten from the  combination.as i see
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« Reply #122 on: October 13, 2017, 11:31:35 am »
Are you saying the ventilation is not good? Holes alone do not mean cooling, air needs to move. This can be done on low power systems with appropriate case design and location of parts, after that in addition to good case design fans are needed. If it's a 400W computer in then yep lots of that will become heat as that is what 99+% of the electricity going into chips becomes.
 

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« Reply #123 on: October 13, 2017, 12:06:37 pm »
And we wonder why more women don’t go into STEM fields...  :palm:
its by design. anybody want to say otherwise they will try hard to bend nature. we are meant to complement each other.
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No, that is not quite enough.


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« Reply #124 on: October 13, 2017, 12:39:41 pm »
Well I've concluded that the 2 people in the photos and Tek5 are 3 different people, Tek5's native language is not English, and that this waste of everyones time thread should be deleted.  :P
.  That took much longer than I thought it would.
 
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« Reply #125 on: October 13, 2017, 12:53:12 pm »
LOL, the militant male feminists so bravely outing 'sexism' from behind their keyboards. It brings to mind Harvey Weinstein and Bill Clinton's potent and sincere feminist advocacy.

Funny how fewer women than men in the STEM fields can't possible point to a difference in aptitude and interest, no, it must be something more nefarious.

And yet....for all the handwringing over such horrific inequities, there's no concern that in the first world 85%+ of primary and secondary education teachers are women, a lucrative career in my area, leaving precious few positive male role models in critical formative years.
 

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« Reply #126 on: October 13, 2017, 02:39:08 pm »
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Tektronix on Monday morning.   :P
Me too!  >:D
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« Reply #127 on: October 13, 2017, 02:45:34 pm »
I lost my respect for Tektronics marketing when they started placing w2aev w2aew videos as ads in front of every 2nd Signal Path video.  The first time I was "oops, clicked the wrong one", the second time "grrr, click". After that I just felt sorry for w2aev w2aew, with Tek marketing leeching off his hard earned reputation.
i guess tektronix or w2aew has no control of it. its automated by youtube based on your interest profile, not sure whats that called. you should blame TheSignalPath for letting the ads floating around his video, i think thats his choice.

The type of ads shown are determined by YouTube algorithms. My videos are setup to show one ad at the beginning which is the default demonetization setting. Today was the first time I clicked on the Monetization Tab.  Ads can also be shown at the end, during, etc. which I don't have enabled.

To say that: "you should blame TheSignalPath for letting the ads floating around his video" is self-indulging, entitled babble. To spend all the time, all the effort and passion to produce hour long videos with a few seconds of ads at the beginning puts me at blame?  :-- :palm:
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« Reply #128 on: October 13, 2017, 02:46:31 pm »
While the OP was certainly a poor attempt at commiunity engagement, my goodness, what a pit of arrogant, sexist vipers here!!!! Just because someone is a woman doesn’t mean she was just hired to be a pretty face!!! Get over yourselves, if you think that “sexist” marketing applies to you, then it’s YOU who needs an attitude adjustment!


1. I'm not a "arrogant, sexist viper". (though it's possible you aren't talking about me)
2. I didn't say she was hired to be a pretty face! When I first made the sexism remark (page 1), I didn't even know that the OP was the person in the picture, nor did I know that she worked for Tektronix.

Instead, I assumed (correctly, as it turns out) that the OP was someone in sales and marketing from Tektronix. I further assumed that this photo was taken at an event where Tektronix put their oscilloscope in the hands of some people (I assumed that these people did not work for Tektronix -- at least 1/6 incorrect) and gave them a handbook, a demo board, and an oscilloscope to play with for a short period of time (again, correct).

So far, nothing I've stated or assumed is sexist or problematic. But here began the problems. I assumed (incorrectly) that the person taking the picture was a Tektronix marketing person (perhaps the original poster) because that person's job was to survey the people using the oscilloscopes and make advertising material from their experiences. For all we know, the person taking the photo could be anybody, including being her dad. It's possible that none of this was ever intended to be marketing material (except insofar as the people using the oscilloscopes in the picture were being marketed to).

What lead to my original comment was basically the aforementioned wall of assumptions (both incorrect and correct) and inferring that this overall marketing attempt would/should look like this:

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[picture 1]

This is Jimmy. Jimmy says he really loves the big touchscreen on the 8 channel scope.
He says he thought he liked having dedicated knobs for each channel, but once he used
the MSO 58 he realized that he can manipulate traces even more easily with the touchscreen
than with dedicated knobs!

[picture 2]

This is Lee. At work, Lee often has to take many correlated measurements at once. Unfortunately,
most oscilloscopes don't work very well for Lee because he they reduce the sample rate of each
channel by a factor of 2 or 4 as you turn more channels on. This makes Lee mad! The MSO 58
doesn't have this problem: each channel has its own dedicated sampling engine, so turning on
additional channels never reduces the sample rate. Plus, the MSO 58 has 8 channels -- something
that almost no oscilloscopes ever made have had.

[picture 3]

This is Carla. Carla's job is to debug very complicated digital systems involving parallel busses
for multiple processors. Since most oscilloscopes only have four channels plus sixteen digital
channels, Carla often has to use multiple oscilloscopes to make measurements. This makes
Carla very frustrated: it's very hard to maintain good time correlation with multiple oscilloscopes.
But with the MSO 58 from Tektronix, Carla only needs one oscilloscope and she can watch 64 independent
channels with a custom threshold for each channel! Carla thinks the MSO 58 is going to make her
job much, much easier.

Now, I don't mean to pat myself on the back too much here, but this would have been perfectly acceptable marketing -- and we might have even appreciated it!

But I interpreted what I was seeing (again, laden with the above assumptions -- both incorrect and correct, in hindsight) was something like this:

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[picture 1]

This is some person using a Tektronix MSO 58 oscilloscope. There were a bunch of people at the
demonstration event that day, but we're only showing you this one photo because this person
is female and she's the most photogenic person in the room.


This is what I was referring to as sexist (and bad marketing). You aren't selling communicating anything about the product. You aren't selling any stories or experiences. You have told no tales, you have advocated no advantages. You are simply putting the product in the hands of an attractive young woman, and hoping the customer's base lizard brain makes a positive association between the product and attractive young woman. This is sexism. It might be reverse sexism, I'm not sure. This kind of advertising is absolutely pervasive (at least in the United States).

It's not good for anybody involved. It's not good for Tektronix, because it's not terribly effective in this case (this technique sells soft drinks, sandwiches, clothes, and all kinds of other products -- but it's not likely to move oscilloscopes). It's not good for the customers (they don't get any information on why they might want this actually quite capable oscilloscope). It's not good for men (whose lizard brains are being exploited). It's not good for women (who aren't being treated equally or fairly as potential customers, and who are (under the incorrect assumptions above) being singled out of a crowd). After all, their lizard brains might not be equivalently tickled! It's not good for minorities (who aren't represented in this picture or story at all).
 
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No, we already knew many posts ago that it IS her, posted with HER work account. From her replies, I assume she knows more about scopes than about marketing. What’s she supposed to do when taking a selfie in a room of men, masquerade as a man?!?


This comment was borne out of my misunderstanding of the picture of an older woman working for Tektronix with the identical text next to her. I thought that what people were saying was that the original poster was the older woman (not the woman pictured). I don't assume anything like that (not that I haven't made a whole host of mistakes assuming this and that already). And of course I don't think she should masquerade as a man -- an idiotic suggestion. What I want to hear is actual stories of all of the people in that room. What I don't want is no stories and a picture of the most attractive person in the room. (note: it's of course possible that I'm more attracted to the other people in the room, but we'll never know because we can't see their faces!)

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On a similar vein: Should a knowledgeable person who happens to be naturally pretty or handsome therefore be prohibited from posting a selfie, because horny, cynical engineers will simply assume that it’s a marketing ploy?!? I think that’s absurd.

And we wonder why more women don’t go into STEM fields...  :palm:

0. It's not a selfie!
1. Of course not.
2. I'm not horny or cynical.
3. It was a marketing ploy -- unofficial and unapproved or not, that much is proven.

And we should wonder why more women don't go into STEM fields, and we should do something about it.

But we can be certain that awful marketing campaigns such as this one are part of the problem, not part of the solution. And that is the point I was trying to make all those pages ago.
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« Reply #129 on: October 13, 2017, 02:53:22 pm »
I lost my respect for Tektronics marketing when they started placing w2aev w2aew videos as ads in front of every 2nd Signal Path video.  The first time I was "oops, clicked the wrong one", the second time "grrr, click". After that I just felt sorry for w2aev w2aew, with Tek marketing leeching off his hard earned reputation.
i guess tektronix or w2aew has no control of it. its automated by youtube based on your interest profile, not sure whats that called. you should blame TheSignalPath for letting the ads floating around his video, i think thats his choice.

The type of ads shown are determined by YouTube algorithms. My videos are setup to show one ad at the beginning which is the default demonetization setting. Today was the first time I clicked on the Monetization Tab.  Ads can also be shown at the end, during, etc. which I don't have enabled.

To say that: "you should blame TheSignalPath for letting the ads floating around his video" is self-indulgence, entitled babble. To spend all the time, all the effort and passion to produce hour long videos with a few seconds of ads at the beginning puts me at blame?  :-- :palm:

Of all the people in this thread who have done something wrong (myself certainly included), you have done nothing but be awesome. You keep doing you, and ignore any haterade that emanates from this thread or others.

 

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« Reply #130 on: October 13, 2017, 02:57:13 pm »
What would redeem this thread? A teardown by Dave, and a giveaway of 10 of these scopes!
 
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« Reply #131 on: October 13, 2017, 02:58:14 pm »
The first yes, the second.... errrrrr I think you want to twist the arm of repent a bit too much ;)
 

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« Reply #132 on: October 13, 2017, 02:59:27 pm »
LOL, the militant male feminists so bravely outing 'sexism' from behind their keyboards. It brings to mind Harvey Weinstein and Bill Clinton's potent and sincere feminist advocacy.

I found it hard to understand what position you are actually taking with this post, but let's leave an (un-convicted, mind you) serial rapist out of this discussion please. The worst thing to take place in this thread so far is ineffective communication. I assume one's local laws can be different, but I think the scale of the crime and the punishment for this and what a scumbag like Harvey Weinstein did are not even worth mentioning in the same discussion. Bad advertising may be counterproductive, but it's not criminal.
 

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« Reply #133 on: October 13, 2017, 03:00:28 pm »
What would redeem this thread? A teardown by Dave, and a giveaway of 10 of these scopes!

Here's a message we can all get behind!
 

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« Reply #134 on: October 13, 2017, 03:12:00 pm »
Why even talk about the attractiveness or unattractiveness of the woman on an EE forum?

This of course leads to the second question: why have a picture of a person with no known EE credibility next to the oscilloscope on an EE forum?

The second question can perhaps be answered as 'standard advertising practice'.

Can we now move on and talk about the scope instead of the woman or feminism or advertising or manipulative practices or what not?
 
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« Reply #135 on: October 13, 2017, 04:14:50 pm »
Can we now move on and talk about the scope instead of the woman or feminism or advertising or manipulative practices or what not?
There is already a huge thread on this scope. There is noting to discuss here. It is just marketing people don't give two hoots about politeness, they just want to push their shit everywhere.
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« Reply #136 on: October 13, 2017, 06:15:01 pm »

This of course leads to the second question: why have a picture of a person with no known EE credibility next to the oscilloscope on an EE forum

So now you have to have a PHD in EE with 20 years experience designing scope frontends to talk about scopes in here do you?

The double standards applied in here are breathtaking in their magnitude.

Have you ever once seen a man in this forum have his experience and qualifications so thoroughly questioned? Especially when he made zero claims in the first place as to being an expert.

Statements like “she probably used her fathers email account” are disgusting and all you panting Neanderthals should be ashamed of yourselves.
 

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« Reply #137 on: October 13, 2017, 06:20:02 pm »
LOL, the militant male feminists so bravely outing 'sexism' from behind their keyboards.


So you’re proud of being a misogynist in real life as well as on the internet too?

Well isn’t that charming.
 

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« Reply #138 on: October 13, 2017, 06:34:31 pm »
As the thread almost calmed down, someone new enters, calling everyone panting Neanderthals. I'd almost mistake it for misandry.
 

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« Reply #139 on: October 13, 2017, 06:43:48 pm »
As the thread almost calmed down, someone new enters, calling everyone panting Neanderthals. I'd almost mistake it for misandry.
::)
Dubbie posted #3 post, when did you arrive ?

I'm still waiting for some technical content, will we get any ?
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« Reply #140 on: October 13, 2017, 06:51:45 pm »
::)
Dubbie posted #3 post, when did you arrive ?

I'm still waiting for some technical content, will we get any ?
Yeah, but without responses since the second page, and that just barely. But yeah, sure, the second to last post was fairly inflammatory too.

I just thoroughly dislike the off the chart polarization, which seems to always happen when this discussion arises. There's camp misogyny and camp SJW and many who can't place you in their camp, automatically places you in the other.
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Sorry if I hurt your feelings Mr. Scram.
 

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« Reply #142 on: October 13, 2017, 06:58:07 pm »
Sorry if I hurt your feelings Mr. Scram.
You didn't hurt my feelings, but I don't think calling people panting Neanderthals fosters a careful and meaningful discussion. Pretty much nothing good can come from such a remark, which is a shame, considering you probably have a profound opinion on the matter you'd like to share with others.
 

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« Reply #143 on: October 13, 2017, 07:02:40 pm »
Ok folks, shows over we have had the same argument around 4 times over.
 
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