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Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
mnementh:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on May 16, 2018, 02:40:26 pm ---Again, I'm not buying it. Corporations do what they've always done. They are and were in the money making business. We simply don't remember the hardships the labour force had to endure back then and our current problems obviously always seem the worst. Your current problems are always the worst problems. Factories were outright lethal places just 100 years ago. That's much better now. Something like building bridges or ships used to cost a certain number of deaths per meter or yard and this was completely acceptable. What also helps is that people are on average more educated now. Even though people still try their best and have moderate amounts of success, it's simply harder to take advantage of more educated people. The fact that educated nations tend to be safe and happy reflects this.
I never said production is cleaner nowadays, I don't know where you got that from and I'm not very interested in the argument either, though I will note there are much more substantial checks and balances in force. Products are demonstrably cheaper, more available and more reliable than they used to be too. No rant is going to change that reality. There's junk being made, but there was horrid junk being made back then. As I said before, stuff that modern people take one look at and know it's a bad idea. There's a lot less of that going on today.
If there are any tangible numbers to discuss I'd be more than happy to do so, but stories about how those are all manipulated by our lizard overlords are going to be taken with an appropriately sized saltmine. It seems you've seen the game played for a number of years and got jaded. It happens to the best of us, but the issue is with the observer and not the observed. Doomsday prophets have existed in all eras.
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Jaded? HELL NO. I'm fighting tooth and claw against it; I'm politically active in my own neighborhood, I vote and I donate every penny I can spare to groups and candidates I believe have a chance of making even a small difference. I'm just not willing to lie to myself about the history I see repeating itself all around us.
Manufacturing jobs are as lethal as they ever were; they've just all been shipped overseas to Asia, where human life is cheap. WE subsidize that, and in so doing, we reinforce the idea at every stage of business, with every transaction, that money is more important than people, that there is such a thing as "acceptable casualties" in the manufacturing process, and "now we're just haggling over the price".
The difference now is that the only jobs left here for those who aren't capable of carving out their own niche (this has nothing to do with being willing to work hard; there are a lot of people who just aren't good at bootstrapping their own careers) are either as office-drone corporate shills or "Would you like Fries widdat?"
Yes, big business has always been evil; the difference is we once fought them at every step because we had seen what happens when they run unchecked. Now we have a whole segment of the general population, the very same folks who are being raped the worst, who've bought into the mindset that because they have lots of money they must be right, no matter how overtly evil they behave.
This is the triumph of broadcast advertising (no matter what the medium) over common sense; if you can bludgeon the average person enough times with the same message, no matter how blatantly self-destructive and even offensive it may be, you'll get a certain percentage of them to agree with it. Now you just need to amplify that group's bought opinion to the point it drowns out all competitors and you've won.
Corporate Politics 101, boys and girls.
mnem
"...There is no truth, there are no facts; only data to be manipulated. I can get you any result you like; what's it worth tooya?" ~ Don Henley - In the Garden of Allah
bd139:
--- Quote from: Specmaster on May 16, 2018, 03:22:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: bd139 on May 16, 2018, 03:17:22 pm ---Not really corruption. Costs more to get rid of it properly. If you’ve got to sign a lease for another year or pay for storage then the net return is negative. Ergo you hire someone to take it away and they resell it via auction lots.
I remember when my father was shutting his company down when he retired. We had an entire industrial unit worth of equipment sitting in the house. Took five years to shift it all.
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Haha, I was referring to the theft of the RAM, some poor sod ended up winning the computer at the auction only find out that he couldn't even boot it up because it failed boot up checks and all the time you had it safely stashed away in the bd139 retirement or TEA fund. :-DD
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Please note that we stole the ram after being laid off because the SME owner sold the product to a corporation on the sly and buggered off to work for them. He dumped the entire engineering team and software teams (i was in charge of the latter) by email and fucked off to Gibraltar. This was owing a months salary. Clearance company turned up next morning to empty the office with the landlord.
We also nicked the Cisco VoIP handsets, the contents of the kitchen, all the bog roll, and the space bar off every keyboard in the building just because hate.
Incidentally he ended up working for me for 6 months about 5 years after that because they had shit him out like the turd he was. I hold no grudge. It was bad enough for him that he was working for me. Plus his wife had left him and ruined him.
Specmaster:
--- Quote from: bd139 on May 16, 2018, 03:32:45 pm ---
--- Quote from: Specmaster on May 16, 2018, 03:22:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: bd139 on May 16, 2018, 03:17:22 pm ---Not really corruption. Costs more to get rid of it properly. If you’ve got to sign a lease for another year or pay for storage then the net return is negative. Ergo you hire someone to take it away and they resell it via auction lots.
I remember when my father was shutting his company down when he retired. We had an entire industrial unit worth of equipment sitting in the house. Took five years to shift it all.
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Haha, I was referring to the theft of the RAM, some poor sod ended up winning the computer at the auction only find out that he couldn't even boot it up because it failed boot up checks and all the time you had it safely stashed away in the bd139 retirement or TEA fund. :-DD
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Please note that we stole the ram after being laid off because the SME owner sold the product to a corporation on the sly and buggered off to work for them. He dumped the entire engineering team and software teams (i was in charge of the latter) by email and fucked off to Gibraltar. This was owing a months salary. Clearance company turned up next morning to empty the office with the landlord.
We also nicked the Cisco VoIP handsets, the contents of the kitchen, all the bog roll, and the space bar off every keyboard in the building just because hate.
Incidentally he ended up working for me for 6 months about 5 years after that because they had shit him out like the turd he was. I hold no grudge. It was bad enough for him that he was working for me. Plus his wife had left him and ruined him.
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Good, I like that, Karma got him in the end then. I think if I was in your shoes I couldn't not hold a grudge, after he fucked with your livelihood so I'd make damn sure that I extracted some sort of revenge, even it was giving him the shittiest jobs I could find for him to do, like cleaning the toilet, just about for a turd eh? :-DD
Specmaster:
mnementh in principle I tend to agree with you, I think it would be difficult to find a government anywhere that was not in the pocket of some large corporations of some sort or other, typically the media moguls, it is for the vast majority of corporations all about the money, maximizing its generation with little thought for those poor workers who actually "make the money" for them. AS you rightly said, exporting the real jobs overseas where life is cheap, corners cut and health and safety don't exist, such as this example http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324339/Worlds-biggest-ship-graveyard--huge-tankers-cruise-liners-scrapped-shorefront-workers-toil-2-day.html
The roads in the UK are getting as bad as those we see in Russia and yet we are supposed to be an economic powerhouse, I could go on but I won't or else this thread will deteriorate into blatant politics with the threat of being closed down and we certainly don't that, so lets just keep it to water cooler chat over a nice cool refreshing class of water eh?
bd139:
Planned economy and Marxism-Leninism is what we need :-DD
On that note, has anyone seen any Eastern Bloc tear gear?
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