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mnementh:

--- Quote from: Vince on June 29, 2022, 01:22:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: mnementh on June 29, 2022, 12:26:00 pm ---The point is it's not the 1980s anymore; floppy is no longer "the convenient choice".

There are literally a dozen better ways to do it than floppy, and many of them are still compatible with these old machines. While none of the choices available on these machines are great, floppy is still the worst one possible. And in here, everybody knows about those better ways.

mnem
*puts on best Rain Man voice* "Floppy drives suck... yes, definitely... definitely suck..."

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Yes, I am not stupid, I get that. That was you and Mansaxel's point. But that was not MY original point (it all started from my first remark, remember...), and you were both replying to me as if it was the point to begin with, which it never was. Hence it was completely irrelevant, hence I failed to see the insistence on hammering that point  :-//

It is exactly as if I had said for example "I find Nixie displays cool ! ", and then people vehemently  writing essais on how Nixies are crap and colour graphical LCD touch screens are so much better.
Eh ?! What's the point of replying that ? 

Or say, you saying how cool a Dragon avatar and people saying no it's stupid grow up, Dragons don't exist, read up !  :-//  If you find Dragons cool there is no need to justify, what's the point of even discussing the reality of Dragons ?!  :-//

I could go on and on...

Maybe you both misunderstood what I mean when I said I found FDD equiped TE "cool"... I thought it was obvious I meant it in an irrational / vintage interest kind of "cool", like we find our old glowing Tek scopes "cool"... 

That said, in Dragon's style, I would like to stir it a little and have a bit of fun, and say that... sorry, but for me, right now....  a scope with a floppy is what makes most sense to me !  :-DD

I am tired of taking 20 pictures of scope screens hoping one them would be half usable, then go back to my computer desk and download the pics, adjust compression ratio etc.
I don't want to have cables running across the floor on my living room either to go from the bench/scope, to my computer/desk., be it serial or GPIB or Ethernet or anything cable. Don't have these cables anyway. No all I want, sorry, just like in the '90s when these scopes were current is.... shove a freaking floppy inside the scope, put my screen capture on it, grab the floppy and take it to where ever in the house my desk/computer might be, then read that freaking screen capture, and call it a day ! A portable medium, any medium, don't care, but a portable one. USB would more practical, but not by much. file sizes are small so even on a floppy it doesn't take too long too write, I don't care one bit.  OK my computer, even though it's 15 years old, doesn't have a floppy drive ? I can add one, must have one somewhere. Worse case I just get a cheap old used external floppy drive that you plug into a USB port, and that's all, big deal !!  :palm:

See ? I can stir it too when I want ! Hey I might morph into a Dragon one day who knows ! :-DD
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You asked why all the hate. It's because time gets precious when there's less of it to waste, and floppies are expensive and waste your time. Over and over again. Time is a person's most valuable commodity; the time wasted using floppies when there are other means just as "period-correct" is more valuable than any nostalgia.

Floppy is still horrible and slow and blows up half the time. As the medium gets older, this happens more and more often because the media is decades old. As much of a PITA as RS-232 might be to implement the first time, once you have it working it doesn't wear out, and those bits get to your PC just as fresh-minted now as they did back when these interfaces were invented.

Fresh bits plopped on old floppies don't always make it where you want them to go.

TL/DR version: I love a good    as much as the next guy, but I have a wife to do that now (and she does it most exquisitely when she wants to  >:D), and I don't need her getting jealous because she finds my nutsack all swollen when she didn't do it.  :-DD

mnem
Friends don't let friends use floppies.
bd139:
Yeah quite frankly fuck floppy disks. They were shit when they came out. Corruption, speed problems, reliability problems, tiny storage. Add 30 years to the problem and now you have mechanical and magnetic degradation to contend with.

Note I’m so high tech I had to go round someone’s house the other day and borrow their PC to put a CD-ROM contents on a USB stick. I don’t even have a CD drive now.

In fact I didn’t even use floppy disks back in the 90s. Had moved to Zip disks and CDRs.
Vince:

--- Quote from: bd139 on June 29, 2022, 08:30:05 pm ---Yeah quite frankly fuck floppy disks. They were shit when they came out. Corruption, speed problems, reliability problems, tiny storage. Add 30 years to the problem and now you have mechanical and magnetic degradation to contend with.

Note I’m so high tech I had to go round someone’s house the other day and borrow their PC to put a CD-ROM contents on a USB stick. I don’t even have a CD drive now.

In fact I didn’t even use floppy disks back in the 90s. Had moved to Zip disks and CDRs.

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Floppies are absolutely marvelous, I much prefer them to punch cards, sorry  :-//

Vince:

--- Quote from: mnementh on June 29, 2022, 07:59:14 pm ---WALLY WURLD TOOL ALERT: Hart SS DirtSucker for 30 Bux

   
https://www.walmart.com/ip/HART-8-Gallon-6-Peak-HP-Stainless-Steel-Wet-Dry-Vacuum-VOC812SW-3701/106550327

I've been missing my Shop-Vacs (I used to keep one for general use and one just for wet use) ever since Tejas; they were old and reeked and I just wasn't going to deal with them, so they went down the road for a tenner each just to liquidate the space they took up.

Well, they recently issued a price rollback on their most expensive Hart Shop-Vac; so when this came through my inbox yesterday, I jumped on it. They didn't have any in the store to buy in person (I drive right over and checked), but the website said my local store had 4 that could be purchased online for pickup next day, and the checkout promised they would substitute another unit of equal value if they didn't have it. So I bought and sure enough, got the email while I was out doing other errands that it was ready for pickup.

In case you don't know, Hart is WalMart's current "Value Line" of Chinesium housewares and tools; their answer to B&D repeatedly getting by Horror Fraught.

I'm not sure if they're disco-ing the whole HART product line, or if just their dirtsuckers. I've actually shopped similar-looking units (as in, I'm sure it's exactly the same thing with their colors and name on it) sporting the Stanley and Craftsman brands for $120-140.

This one has of course the primary attraction of a stainless-steel tank, but other things made me look twice too:

Tank Drain (so many of the budget Shop-Vacs omit this now) to dump water with some measure of control

Great big 140mm wheels on back so it actually rolls in the shop & on the driveway

Nice big tilt handle like real industrial equipment

2-inch hose: I consider this a reasonable compromise between 3-inch "real Shop-Vac" hose and the 1 1/8-inch hose usually provided with the budget models

Reasonable power for size: 6A Peak/LRA is pretty average; but rated 11.5A at 120V is pretty much exactly same as my "real" Shop-Vacs. Almost 2HP  :-+

Tall format means okay for shop use, but should still be very handle-able for cleaning stairs.

Things I found once I got it home and fondled it:

Ooodles of suction, but moderate noise thanks to huge 7-inch dia x 6-inch pleated filter

Oversized rocker power switch with very light, smooth action

Good assortment of useful attachments, including a floor squeegee for the gulper nozzle that looks like it'll actually work

Assembly was very simple and straightforward even without RTFM; and all the bits for the wheels actually have screws to hold them in.


Bottom line of course is still the bottom line: How long will it last?  For $30, I think it'll be hard not to get my money's worth.

mnem
*suckage FTW*

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Wow that's one hell of a love letter for a vacuum cleaner ! :scared:

I assumed you preferred women...I stand corrected.

Somehow that thing reminds me of R2D2 ?!  :-//

mnementh:

--- Quote from: Ice-Tea on June 29, 2022, 01:18:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: mnementh on June 29, 2022, 11:37:29 am ---
--- Quote from: Ice-Tea on June 29, 2022, 08:52:13 am ---    Free. Just pay for shipping.
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So... is this a BUSTED scenario, or YAGI gone wrong? Or are you trying to mitigate JENGA reaching critical mass by applying a little BAIT THEORY to the TEA thread...?  :-DD

mnem


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I... I don't even undertand half of what you just said but it's pretty simply. I don't have the gear to test these, they don't seem to be worth all that much, I can't be arsed to put them on eBay so I figured one of you lot might want to have them for free  ;D
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Oh dear, dear, Iced-TEA... as long as you've been among us, you still haven't availed yourself of the TEA GLOSSARY on page 1...?

For shame!!!  :-DD

BUSTED: Bought Unnecessary Shitload of Test Equipment Devices

YAGI: Yet Another Gain for Inventory - A term used to rationalise the typical consequences of GAS - especially when there is no immediate or prospective need for an item.

JENGA: (a constellation of related disorders)

(1) Junk Engulfing Nearby Garage Areas - wherein all garage space is subject to a constantly moving and contested scrimmage line;
(2) Junk Encroaching Nonpermissible General Areas - usually defined by other household members and their "need" to use nonessential spaces like living rooms, kitchens and bathrooms;
(3) Junk Engulfing Nonvertical Geometric Areas - the inevitable spontaneous accumulation of all manner of tools and junk on any available table-like horizontal surface;
(4) Junk Emigrating Non-Garage Areas - the inexplicable migration of entire stacks to other rooms, often discovered by other household members with a hand truck still underneath;
(5) Junk Engulfing Nonhorizontal Growth Areas - the accumulation of box-shaped objects stacked from floor to ceiling, and the inevitable need to remove one object from the middle of the stack without all of it falling down on your head.

Bait Theory: The bait theory of equipment acquisition states that if you want something but can't find it, start collecting all of the parts, documents, etc., that you will need to repair and/or operate it. Somewhere out there, there is a broken device that "knows" that you have the parts to fix it and it will find its way to you.

Thanks for frequenting this space, and of course I'm sure someone will liberate those bits from you. ;)

mnem
*toddles off to straighten out some garage*
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