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Robert763:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 30, 2022, 12:30:16 am ---
--- Quote from: Vince on June 29, 2022, 08:39:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: bd139 on June 29, 2022, 08:30:05 pm ---Yeah quite frankly fuck floppy disks. They were shit when they came out. Corruption, speed problems, reliability problems, tiny storage. Add 30 years to the problem and now you have mechanical and magnetic degradation to contend with.

Note I’m so high tech I had to go round someone’s house the other day and borrow their PC to put a CD-ROM contents on a USB stick. I don’t even have a CD drive now.

In fact I didn’t even use floppy disks back in the 90s. Had moved to Zip disks and CDRs.

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Floppies are absolutely marvelous, I much prefer them to punch cards, sorry  :-//

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It's really difficult to write a shopping list or a quick schematic on the back of a floppy disk.  ::)

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Just use a sharpie  :popcorn:
Vince:
Good morning TEA !!!

Overcast and rainy here, just woke up.

Let's see what's been going on while I was sleeping...

Oh, networks again  !  :-DD

Networks will never exterminate removable media, doesn't make sense, two different things for different use cases and people. You IT nerds need to realize most people aren't like you and never will. Most people are IT illiterate, including me to a big extent, because I don't give a fuck about computers any more and networks are way too complex and a chore to set up and maintain and fix. I can't do it, never mind my mum or the average Joe in the street. If anything, removable media is the only thing that is simple (and cheap enough) enough to use yet gets the job done, for the vast majority. No need to be an IT nerd to use it, just shove your USB stick into any USB port and drag and drop your files. Most (still, not all) people can do it.
As for the internet, it's just a joke, we are in 2022 and even in western country like France there are still millions of people that still don't have a working ADSL link, their internet is unusable. Telling these people they need to rely on that to move data around is just such a laugh it's hard to find words to express it. Yes, all these people have been promised high speed internet in every single house for.. 20 years now. So they know it will never happen, because IT operators just don't give a fuck a bout them. Fiber in big city centers, and dial-up for rural areas. Don't like it ? Well sucks to be you !
I would rather slit my wrists right now than having to rely on networks and be deprived of removable media.

Saying networks will kill every removable media on the planet is like saying ari liners will make all cars disappear or that paper and pencil will disappear because tablets are so much cooler, or that fridges will all be connected to the internet.. I heard that 20 years ago, still waiting for that (not really, don't want that crap).

In 20 years from now there will still be USB sticks for sale, or whatever removable media replacing it, and your average joe still won't be an IT nerd that understand and can design and configure and maintain and fix it's own networks at home, not even close. People don't even back up their data, they leave all the baby pictures in their freaking smartphone, that they throw in the ocean at the beach, or in the toilet, or drop on the ground... and you expect them to study networks and build one for themselves at home ? Yeah right...  :palm:


Have a good day all !  :-DD


m k:

--- Quote from: Robert763 on June 30, 2022, 07:24:25 am ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 30, 2022, 12:30:16 am ---
--- Quote from: Vince on June 29, 2022, 08:39:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: bd139 on June 29, 2022, 08:30:05 pm ---Yeah quite frankly fuck floppy disks. They were shit when they came out. Corruption, speed problems, reliability problems, tiny storage. Add 30 years to the problem and now you have mechanical and magnetic degradation to contend with.

Note I’m so high tech I had to go round someone’s house the other day and borrow their PC to put a CD-ROM contents on a USB stick. I don’t even have a CD drive now.

In fact I didn’t even use floppy disks back in the 90s. Had moved to Zip disks and CDRs.

--- End quote ---

Floppies are absolutely marvelous, I much prefer them to punch cards, sorry  :-//

--- End quote ---

It's really difficult to write a shopping list or a quick schematic on the back of a floppy disk.  ::)

--- End quote ---

Just use a sharpie  :popcorn:

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m k:

--- Quote from: Robert763 on June 30, 2022, 07:13:02 am ---
--- Quote from: mansaxel on June 29, 2022, 09:14:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: Vince on June 29, 2022, 09:02:44 pm ---
No, I still maintain floppies are much better.

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That is because you are not comparing them to the state of the art. What people should do is to have their files on a networked drive.  Compared to a networked file system the floppy drive and its media are slow, unreliable, insecure, and have puny capacity.

(of course, if you don't mind Someone Else reading that file (and I'm not talking about GENERAL ERROR  :-DD ) you can outsource that part. Flipping the RO tab on a 3,5" diskette will take longer time than copying a 1,4MiB file over most networks built the last 20 years, so speed is not an issue. )

And yes, I'm jumping around with first comparing to punch cards, then networked file systems. Point is, that floppy drives and media are an all-time low in medium reliability, only underbid by the practice of storing files to compact cassettes as was popular on several home computers.

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Well we don't all have our own servers, FTP site or whatever so when we want to transfer a small file it's either a 3rd party site or email which is not as secure as handing over physical media. With Microsoft trying to kill off CD's & DVDs if I want to transfer more than a few tens of megabytes e.g provide a manual with a bit of TE, it means buying several Gb of USB stick.  And unless they are "branded" they are no more reliable than a quality CDR.
Maybe I'm just a luddite, but I don't like the idea of relying on my data (and if MS have their way software) being on someone elses hardware.

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Get a crossover rj45 cable and learn to share a directory.
I use the name "transfer" and it's the same everywhere, and read only from outside.
Username is always the same but password changes and is regularly forgotten, but since both ends are available all the time it doesn't really matter.
I also seem to be flipping since one XP machine is writable, not much of a difference though.

So the principle of procedure is fetch.
The local machine put stuff available and others can read but not write.
TERRA Operative:

--- Quote from: bd139 on June 29, 2022, 08:30:05 pm ---Yeah quite frankly fuck floppy disks. They were shit when they came out. Corruption, speed problems, reliability problems, tiny storage. Add 30 years to the problem and now you have mechanical and magnetic degradation to contend with.

Note I’m so high tech I had to go round someone’s house the other day and borrow their PC to put a CD-ROM contents on a USB stick. I don’t even have a CD drive now.

In fact I didn’t even use floppy disks back in the 90s. Had moved to Zip disks and CDRs.

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How'd that Zip click-of-death go for you? :P

(I had a parallel Zip drive back in the day, I liked it. I should get one again as it's compatible with the D-series TDS 600 and 700 series scopes ;D )
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