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| Specmaster:
--- Quote from: mnementh on July 01, 2022, 10:33:47 pm --- --- Quote from: Specmaster on July 01, 2022, 09:49:13 pm ---Am I missing something here, to me, it is exactly as described, not working, but lights up, nothing on screen and handle missing :-// Have you powered it up?, did the lights come on? If so, sorry, but I think they have fulfilled their brief. Ok, it is clear that at least 1 PCB is missing, are they supposed to be aware of that? It sucks, I know, but the Dwagon is normally more astute than this, did you not ask any questions about this? --- End quote --- Short version: It was sold as an oscilloscope for parts, not sold as 75% of an oscilloscope with crucial parts missing. That is "significantly not as described". As I explained to Vince; had it been a non-critical external part obviously missing from photos, or an accessory, that would have been different. There's fair reason to believe the seller knew they were doing something dishonest, or they'd have taken the whole monitor. It is much easier to remove than that PCB and doesn't risk causing a CRT implosion. Of course, taking the whole monitor would've left a very obvious hole in the face of the unit. SELLER HOMEPAGE: https://www.ebay.com/usr/tekyard_medical mnem Those bent pins on the CRT totes made me go tho... --- End quote --- Honestly, I doubt the seller is anything other than honest, look at his feedback rating etc. I think that they did plug it in as basically it essentially the power supply remains and the front panel, the lights did come on when they powered it up but nothing on the screen. The say that they are marketing and sellers of medical equipment, not makers or engineers, so the person may honestly be unaware that something vital is missing. I hope that the seller accepts the complaint and refunds you in full, and you get to keep what you have. But based on recent experience with eBay and their customer support with my recent problem, I wouldn't be surprised if they have to step in and decide who is at fault that they side with the seller. You will remember that I recently sold some speaker stands via their GSP program, and despite the fact that I spoke to a customer support team member in Utah, who told me that they would find in my favour, they ultimately did the complete opposite. It was a fecking good job that had the foresight to actually pay more on the carriage to provide insurance on the item, otherwise I'd have been £50 out of pocket, as it was I'm about £3 out of pocket, the cost of the insurance because after a few weeks I did the insured value back. Ebay is not the place it once was, it seems that they are like most other corporations today, obsessed with money and fair play seems to have flown out the door. |
| tautech:
--- Quote from: tautech on July 01, 2022, 08:21:53 pm --- --- Quote from: Vince on July 01, 2022, 02:01:39 pm ---Forgive the dumb question, but why not just put that tool in a vice to squeeze it smoothly instead of hammering it ?! :-// The smooth progressive action of the vice would be kind to the lug wouldn't it. I mean a real big/full size garage vice of course, not the tiny vice we use in the lab, that goes without saying ! ;D --- End quote --- With a little care you can indeed make very serviceable crimps in a vise if you know how. Not so much with the smaller cable sizes however in a permanent installation where there will be zero vibration or rarely a need to disconnect it, then bucket type lugs, those without a opening at the bottom of the bucket then soldering on crimps works just fine however a cleaner job is done with a Propane torch rather than Oxy/Acetylene. Crimps in the vice with commercially or homemade lugs really need a reasonably heavy wall lug to withstand the compression as only 2 sides of the crimp are contacted on. First you need a crimp that well matches the cable size and then the Hex head of a bolt or stout nut for just one of the Hex faces to be squeezed into the side of the barrel of the crimp to leave a deep rectangle pressed into the crimp. I've used this method with 100% success over many decades on heavy welder leads and with a couple of layers of shrink sleeve for strain relief it's a quick solution if you don't have some blowtorch handy or your sparky mate with the good crimpers has gone AWOL. Edit However care must be taken where one might do such non-standard procedures so to properly consider the risk to life, limb or property. --- End quote --- Hey Vince, about the vise crimp we're trying to achieve with a Hex nut or bolt head, similar to this done with a commercial tool with a plunger pressing into a Vee .... this one a double - crimp some are + plungers. Anyways, just the flat of a Hex done longways or across the lug depending on the size of the lug and the bolt/nut hex used to squeeeeze it together. This is for a pis ant old and little 140A caddy welder lead, didn't check but probably 25mm2 cable and 13mm hole in the lug. Muppets that made it couldn't even be bothered to sleeve it for bending strain relief so it's starting to show signs of early failure. :horse: Final word: Any lug crimp for mains must be done with approved tools to meet compliance.......trying to get my sparky mate's old crimpers that he can no longer use for NZ mains work and comply with a COC. (cert of compliance) |
| mnementh:
--- Quote from: Vince on July 01, 2022, 10:26:26 pm ---Oh didn't know CL FORCED you to not ship, that's weird, why can't the seller and buyer do whatever the hell they want... if both parties agree to ship, that's none of CL's business ?! :-// Anyway, didn't know about that... Crossing my human fingers and toes for you, hoping you can keep the scope and get a refund, that would be super cool, a bunch of parts delivered to your door step for free ! :D ...to help you fix or/and maintain the next one you will buy, of course ! 8) --- End quote --- Woops, no they don't force anything. They don't facilitate anything either, like shipping, payment or provide any dispute resolution services. As a result, their standard advice is to always do business in person, as that is your best means to avoid fraud. That's why I assumed your similar site followed similar practices, unless you're silly enough to just PayPal money to some rando on the intardnet and hope you get your stuff. At least over here, that'd be just throwing money away. mnem :-+ |
| mnementh:
--- Quote from: Specmaster on July 01, 2022, 10:57:07 pm ---Honestly, I doubt the seller is anything other than honest, look at his feedback rating etc. I think that they did plug it in as basically it essentially the power supply remains and the front panel, the lights did come on when they powered it up but nothing on the screen. The say that they are marketing and sellers of medical equipment, not makers or engineers, so the person may honestly be unaware that something vital is missing. I hope that the seller accepts the complaint and refunds you in full, and you get to keep what you have. But based on recent experience with eBay and their customer support with my recent problem, I wouldn't be surprised if they have to step in and decide who is at fault that they side with the seller. You will remember that I recently sold some speaker stands via their GSP program, and despite the fact that I spoke to a customer support team member in Utah, who told me that they would find in my favour, they ultimately did the complete opposite. It was a fecking good job that had the foresight to actually pay more on the carriage to provide insurance on the item, otherwise I'd have been £50 out of pocket, as it was I'm about £3 out of pocket, the cost of the insurance because after a few weeks I did the insured value back. Ebay is not the place it once was, it seems that they are like most other corporations today, obsessed with money and fair play seems to have flown out the door. --- End quote --- There's no way the seller didn't know about this condition; you literally cannot handle it without the back falling off. The only thing holding it together was the bubble-wrap. LOL... You'd think 100% feedback means that wouldn't you...? But no... eBay has a system, and sellers game it constantly to keep a high feedback rating. High volume sellers can get 5 bad feedback removed from every 1,000; and there are numerous other tricks a seller can use as well. eBay is much more about damage control to the eBay brand than they are about actually providing a safe place to buy or sell, and they have been for a long, long time. I recently posted neutral feedback on a purchase where this happened: The seller sold a foam surround kit that was supposedly "for my RS-3000 speakers", but when it arrived, the "cement" in the kit was common carpenter's wood glue. Now this is not the best choice even for paper cones; it soaks into the cone and if you have to remove it, it destroys the paper... like say, if you need to replace the foam again in another 15-20 years. ;) But it is absolutely the wrong stuff for a poly cone speaker. Will not stick to it at all. :palm: My feedback was neutral, and I gave 5 stars on all other aspects as shipping was reasonable and prompt, and my comment was absolutely factual - that they'd sent carpenter's wood glue instead of the cement needed for my poly cone speakers, and that even tho they'd refunded purchase price, the return process made me eat the outbound shipping. Gone the next day. Cheers, mnem eBay is a cesspool. never spend more there than you are willing to write off as a bad day. |
| Vince:
--- Quote from: mnementh on July 01, 2022, 11:03:35 pm --- --- Quote from: Vince on July 01, 2022, 10:26:26 pm ---Oh didn't know CL FORCED you to not ship, that's weird, why can't the seller and buyer do whatever the hell they want... if both parties agree to ship, that's none of CL's business ?! :-// Anyway, didn't know about that... Crossing my human fingers and toes for you, hoping you can keep the scope and get a refund, that would be super cool, a bunch of parts delivered to your door step for free ! :D ...to help you fix or/and maintain the next one you will buy, of course ! 8) --- End quote --- Woops, no they don't force anything. They don't facilitate anything either, like shipping, payment or provide any dispute resolution services. As a result, their standard advice is to always do business in person, as that is your best means to avoid fraud. That's why I assumed your similar site followed similar practices, unless you're silly enough to just PayPal money to some rando on the intardnet and hope you get your stuff. At least over here, that'd be just throwing money away. mnem :-+ --- End quote --- Ah... uh, yes, here we are silly and just send money to the guy hoping to receive anything at all, that's how it works, the seller is assumed to be incompetent and greedy, but at least honest enough to at least send you the junk you paid him for. Works the same for anything really. Whenever you buy something on-line from a professional vendor... if they don't send you your stuff, what are you gonna do ? Pay 5000 bucks a lawyer and spend 3 years in court hoping to get your 10 or 100 bucks back ? No, of course. So in practice you just have to trust that the seller private or pro, will indeed send you the stuff you paid him for... That said, our site, leboncoin.fr, has been taken over by a bank from I can't remember what foreign country. A Northern country I think. IIRC Leboncoin is not French, it was first created in a Northern country. Sweden/Norway/Finland can't remember. So now that site is trying every trick they can think of, to steal some of your money. One of their ideas is to serve as an intermediary for the transaction (as I explained to you in a recent MP) : the seller can, if he wants, offer the buyer to handle the transaction via the site. In this case the buyer sends the money to the site not the seller. The site then charges you a few Euros, saying it's for your SECURITY (magical trendy FUD word...). Then it gives the seller a couple days only to send the item. Then 4 days later it asks the buyer "have you received the item, or do you have a problem with it ? ". If you don't reply to that, the buyer will automatically receive his money. However if you say " Hell yeah there is a problem !!! " then you just have to cross fingers that the site will be honest and motivated enough to actually do something about it.... good luck. But it happened to me once. I had bought a glowing Tek scope on that site, and with the seller we decided to let the site handle the transaction. Glad I did, because the seller never sent the scope ! So after a few days, seeing as the scope was not even posted at all, I told the site about it, saying well you have access to the tracking system of the shipment (because they partner with the shipping company), so you can see for yourself he never handed the item to the shipping company ! So... luckily the website refunded me my 50 Euros for the scope and shipping and their own fee as well ! :phew: Other trick they use : when you use their messaging system to chat with the seller, they have a robot that scans your messages and censors e-mail addresses and phone numbers "FOR YOUR SECURITY" they say... when in fact it's just to make it as difficult for you as possible, to handle the transaction on your own, and force you to use the site instead. This way they get to charge the buyer a few Euros. So what I do is send my e-mail address as a JPG image, because their chat system allows to send pictures. So far their robot does not "OCR" attached pictures, but for how long I don't know ! :palm: |
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