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| Zucca:
--- Quote from: ch_scr on July 07, 2022, 12:25:06 pm --- --- Quote from: mnementh on July 07, 2022, 12:09:52 pm --- --- Quote from: bd139 on July 07, 2022, 10:11:40 am --- --- Quote from: ch_scr on July 07, 2022, 10:08:21 am --- --- Quote from: Cerebus on July 07, 2022, 08:59:07 am --- --- Quote from: mnementh on July 07, 2022, 12:49:07 am ---Condolences then. I'd rather drill screws through my feet than ever use that fustercluck again. Only app I ever found less intuitive than EagleCAD. :palm: mnem *cringe* --- End quote --- Ah, so you've never used FreeCAD then? >:D --- End quote --- I can't see, why the hate on FreeCAD? I use it regularly for over 4 years, so somewhat biased ::) Every CAD tool has it's hooks and it has to fit towards the way you think. Naturally, not everyone can work with every tool, people don't think the same way - and if the tool is structured contrary to your internal workflow, you'll never get along. You'll have to use a different tool, better suited to the way you think, to get good results and not hurt yourself continually. People try to get started in Freecad (or any tool really) for a month and not get anywhere, fall into that category. Of course the other thing are people coming from different tools, that expect things to work in a specific way. But I've seen and helped people getting started in Kicad and Freecad around me, and would not say getting started in one is much harder than the other. Like FreeCAD, there are people hating on Kicad because "all the buttons are in the wrong places" - IMHO, for the same reason, see above. Yes, FreeCAD allows you to do things in different ways, and some of them will shoot you in the foot later. Sometimes there is only one good way. Part of the learning curve is to learn to design around that. Yes, it would be better for that not to be the case, but I need it today. IMHO it's still the best bet for a free CAD tool with a wide feature set. It get's the job done and for a free CAM tool there is no alternative AFAIK. At least none that's easier to use, or even on par feature-wise. That said, to construct a mechanism or whole machine / device, I would not want to do it in FreeCAD. But for the odd 3d printed or 2.5d milled part? More than good enough! --- End quote --- From my perspective it's just the clunk factor. It's ok but it needs a lot of polish. Most of the open source software out there hasn't had "the 2nd 90%" of the development effort expended. --- End quote --- There's unintuitive and then there's counterintuitive. My experience with most software produced by computer nerds for computer nerds is that it will invariably be the latter, as design follows ease of coding rather than any earthly understanding of how a human being with an actual workflow needs to get things done. This was 100% my experience with EagleCAD; and everything I've read, heard or made up about FreeCAD says it is worse. mnem I don't need my testicles ground into a fine paste by software that constantly ; I'm just fine with them being a little lumpy. --- End quote --- I tried to use Eagle once (but had been touched by Kicad's grace before) and could not get anything done. Turned and fled. I've literally rather gotten an F in that course than to touch that SW again. I'll happily agree on the part that it's counterintuitive for me. But with FreeCAD, it really wasn't too bad, even back then? Even in the beginning, it wasn't the UI that was holding me back, more the lack of 3d modelling experience and Freecad's "it won't fit that way" bugs. Edit: I think what parts a good from a bad UI (or an intuitive from an non-/counter-intuitive one): if you have not used it for a while, you can get back into it easily. No consulting the manual, scratching your head for a while, etc. --- End quote --- FreeCAD is awesome: 1) best bang for the bucks without working online and giving all your designs to fat miss Cloud 2) If you have a problem, post it before you go to bed on the FreeCAD forum. When you wake up in the morning, the solution will be waiting for you on a silver plate. 3) Integration with KiCAD 4) Python friendly if you want to go ninja level. Once you are done vomiting for the first week into the no sense FreeCAD menus of menus, you will never look back. |
| Brumby:
--- Quote from: bd139 on July 07, 2022, 10:11:40 am ---... "the 2nd 90%" of the development effort expended. --- End quote --- Oh hell..... You just gave me a flashback to half of the major projects I've overseen in the commercial IT scene. Management just has to put their stamp on everything, don't they?!! |
| Zucca:
--- Quote from: Zucca on July 02, 2022, 12:50:12 am ---I knew it :palm: I will try one more time, but they are forcing me to go off grid... 1) I do not want to buy at the double price I am selling back to them 2) I want to put how much panels I want on my roof in my property 3) Yes the base price for a bidirectional meter is 16$ instead or the regular 12$ each month, and recently a power company in the area bumped it up to 30$/month just because. --- End quote --- Finally I talked yesterday with Mark a nice eng from the power company: As long I do not feed back energy from my home to the grid: 1) No need to change my contract or install a bidirectional meter. My base price will stay the same 12$/month. Will cost less than an emergency generator with maintenance included. 2) There is no more the 100% energy offset concept. I am allowed to get as much power I want from my roof. 3) Only an anti-islanding, quick disconnect device is required. Basically since I will stay passive, what happen behind the meter is not power company beer. Sharing all the above with all 3 solar companies I am talking to, they are all going "Oh Oh, this is interesting and awesome... thanks for sharing..." :popcorn: |
| Brumby:
Well, that was a fun night. I have just sifted through and cleared out about 11,500 emails from one of my key accounts. Still leaves me with 2,200 or so, though 75% of those are really 'optional'. Say what you will about Outlook, but it's been pretty resilient for me. I think I need some rosin fumes....... |
| mnementh:
--- Quote from: Neper on July 07, 2022, 12:52:47 pm --- --- Quote from: mnementh on July 07, 2022, 12:09:52 pm ---There's unintuitive and then there's counterintuitive. My experience with most software produced by computer nerds for computer nerds is that it will invariably be the latter, as design follows ease of coding rather than any earthly understanding of how a human being with an actual workflow needs to get things done. --- End quote --- Reminds me of the software that processed photos and then saved them as Photo 0, 1, 2, 3... Do programmers' wives also have their firstborne as the 0th child? --- End quote --- No, but programmers do. This disparity of POV is but one of many reasons successful programmers rarely stay married long enough live long enough to have kids. >:D mnem |
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