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Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
mnementh:
--- Quote from: bd139 on June 30, 2018, 06:03:58 pm ---
--- Quote from: mnementh on June 30, 2018, 06:00:03 pm ---You're thinking too small; thinking like an ordinary person with bills and a limited amount of money.
What Apple is selling is convenience and TIME; time YOU don't spend figuring it out, time you don't spend fixing it if it breaks, time you don't spend arguing with customer support. All you have to do is fit your needs within the confines of their ecology, and give them boatloads of money. In return, they constantly revise their ecology to fit more and more of the people with money, so eventually you will get more and more functionality from them.
Honestly, it's not that bad a deal, unless you are one of those people who just HAS to do it for yourself; then you're well and truly boned.
mnem
Time is your most valuable commodity; the one thing you can't make or buy more of. Trading mere money for more time is a deal that's ALWAYS in YOUR favor.
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That’s exactly it. I run my business and my life off it. It is necessary that it just works.
Incidentally I did do it myself for a long time with cheap android handsets but a couple of critical failures left me in dire shit and lost me a wedge of cash. Can’t afford that downtime.
Incidentally I’ve got a duff pixel in my 6s. They are swapping for a new handset via post. They deliver the new handset to me then I return the old one in pre paid box. Can’t beat that.
Keeping it TEA if I was running a business I wouldn’t poke rigol with a stick. Keysight it is because at 3x the cost it’s still a good deal for the service.
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Yup, and if you didn't want to do it yourself, you could take it to the Apple Store, go do a little leisurely shopping, and when you come back, they'd have every last microt of your old/busted backed up to the cloud, then restored to your new/shiny.
THAT is what fApple is selling. If I could spare the cash, I wouldn't be futzing around rebuilding my Android phone either; it's just that right now, the only iPwns with a usable size screen (5.5 in or larger for me) are still ridiculously expensive, even refurb. Their real market is a couple tax brackets above me; that's what makes them the "aspirational brand".
My grandmother told me so many times, but I never listened:
"You want to make A LIVING, sell what people NEED. You want to make MONEY, sell what people WANT."
mnem
My reality check bounced.
BillB:
--- Quote from: bitseeker on June 30, 2018, 05:01:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: BillB on June 30, 2018, 11:17:31 am ---After partially convincing the wife that the extra 9 at the end of the string of 9's is important, and with a 15% ebay coupon I decided to buy it.
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I saw a couple of mentions of this coupon, but I guess it was a short-lived promo as I never saw it. Do update us on the outcome of your DMM score.
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Will do.
This coupon was just for a day. I'm glad that it escaped some; less competition! ;D Usually, a coupon comes around and my watched items are all gone by the time I get around to them.
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: bd139 on June 30, 2018, 05:35:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: Specmaster on June 30, 2018, 05:07:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: bd139 on June 30, 2018, 04:46:57 pm ---It’s the day job leaking into the escape I think :)
Physical cards are a nightmare. One reason I like Apple Pay. It generates a new card number for every transaction basically. Zero chance of reusing any snatched data right up until the bank. Plus you can’t just grab someone’s handset and use it. The biggest security risks these days are with the merchant and vendor. Look at ticketmaster recently.
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Well I can't even pretend to understand what all security protocol chat is about but your Apple pay has me intrigued, why couldn't I for instance just grab your iphone and use that to pay for something? Its a contactless payment method isn't it?
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You’d have to steal fingers too and more recently the user’s head and their fingers. Plus five quick presses of the power button and it’ll lock up solid and shoot the encryption session in the Secure Enclave. Then you have to enter the 6 digit pin. Plus it’s a credit card anyway so you just charge back any stolen shit.
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Biometrics? Run away, as fast as you can!
Even if they worked well with few false positives/negatives, they have a killer weakness: certificate revocation.
If my credit card gets compromised by a company I didn't know existed, I ring up the company, they revoke the certificate (the card number/date/cvv), and they issue another set of magic numbers pressed into plastic.
With biometrics the magic number is my iris pattern etc. When, not if, some scrotty company in the middle of nowhere has a bad employee that makes money on the side by flogging the magic numbers, just how are new magic numbers going to be issued? I.e. certificate revocation == iris revocation, which isn't acceptable to me.
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: bd139 on June 30, 2018, 06:03:58 pm ---Keeping it TEA if I was running a business I wouldn’t poke rigol with a stick. Keysight it is because at 3x the cost it’s still a good deal for the service.
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I'm glad that's still the attitude.
In my first job we had a HeaP flatbed plotters (remember them?). Twice it failed just before an exhibition. Twice HP saved the day by loaning one to us.
Mind you, you could always have 3* the number of Rigols, so that when one breaks, you just slide it into the oubliette.
Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: mnementh on June 30, 2018, 06:00:03 pm ---You're thinking too small; thinking like an ordinary person with bills and a limited amount of money.
What Apple is selling is convenience and TIME; time YOU don't spend figuring it out, time you don't spend fixing it if it breaks, time you don't spend arguing with customer support. All you have to do is fit your needs within the confines of their ecology, and give them boatloads of money. In return, they constantly revise their ecology to fit more and more of the people with money, so eventually you will get more and more functionality from them.
Honestly, it's not that bad a deal, unless you are one of those people who just HAS to do it for yourself; then you're well and truly boned.
mnem
Time is your most valuable commodity; the one thing you can't make or buy more of. Trading mere money for more time is a deal that's ALWAYS in YOUR favor.
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That's the picture that's always painted, but it's overly romantic. Apple stuff works and breaks the same way all the other crap does.
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