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AVGresponding:

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--- Quote from: bd139 on July 13, 2022, 08:06:59 am ---Yep. Rocking the 0.99L 3 cyl here  :-DD

Sounds like a V8 if you stick kangaroo juice in it.
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I think you've been drinking too much of the kangaroo juice. Nothing sound like a V-8 except a V-8. ;)

I have no problem with folks keeping the heavy metal of yesteryear alive... I'll always be a motorhead, and there still is no replacement for displacement. But this is a different world; these toys of yesteryear have to be treated as toys, not as a way of life if we are to survive as a species. We cannot afford for those lovely beasts to be anybody's "daily driver" any longer.

mnem


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Aaaaand this has always been utter nonsense. This is why Colin Chapman's designs blew all the primitive displacement based ones into the weeds.

The only thing adding displacement is good for is going fast in a straight line. For anything else, weight reduction is the real answer. Hence how Mini Coopers could beat 7-litre+ yank tanks in the early days of touring cars.
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And it's equally arguable that your line of reasoning is just wankers spankin' it because they can't get their hands on a real car.

Anything you can do to a tiny engine you can do to a big engine and get even more power. Simple physics.

You don't have a right to judge how people like to play, or their choice of toys... don't be a dick, man.

mnem
 :horse:

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You're completely missing the point, not sure if deliberately or not, but w/e.

The Point: Weight reduction improves EVERY aspect of a car's performance. Putting a bigger engine in it, or for that matter keeping the same engine and increasing the power by boring/stroking it, ONLY improves (assuming you have the traction and gearing headroom) straight line acceleration and top speed. That is simple physics.

I have not at any point criticised or judged other people's method or means of playing, that's entirely in your head. I put it to you that it is not I that is "being a dick".
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That is exactly what you were doing. There is nothing wrong with wanting NOTHING MORE than to go fast in a straight line. There is nothing wrong with wanting to strap your ass to the biggest chunk of horsepower you can muster, and just PUNCH IT.

You were passing judgement on that, and denigrating that form of play. You were being a dick.

EDIT: And speaking of MISSING THE POINT ENTIRELY: My point was explicitly that musclecars are a toy and need to be treated as such. You're the one had to jump on them being huge and wasteful, as if that matters more than a fat heap of dingoes' kidneys when we're talking about toys.

mnem
Try putting a 460 into a VW Beetle some time. The thrill is visceral, and partly because it is dumb and dangerous and puts you out of control.

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No, just no. You're reading between the lines what you want to believe, and not what I said. Standard Mnem.

I pointed out the fallacy of the statement "there's no replacement for displacement", nothing more. I think you'll find that people who get their kicks from driving fast in a straight line for around 10 seconds ALSO get serious on the weight reduction, if they are competitive. I have NOTHING against this pastime, even if it's not for me.

As for musclecars being "just toys", this is a stereotypical view normally only seen outside north America, and if I'd said that I would have been in the wrong and could have been justifiably called on it. I know people in the UK that daily drive a muscle car. I bet a lot more do it in the US and Canada.

I also never mentioned them being huge and wasteful, again. you're imagining things that just are not true. Did you not notice I posted a yt link to a CLASSIC MUSCLE CAR when disagreeing with the statement "there's no better sound than a supercharger"?

If you're going to pick a fight with someone, at least do it for something they actually said or did, not just what you imagined they said or did.
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I'm sorry; I can't hear you over the sound of you backpedaling... ;)

TL/DR: You picked this fight, and it was over a point you evidently don't even disagree with. I've had my belly full; I'm gonna go sand a fucking table. At least something productive will happen today.  :-DD

mnem
vroom.

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You're accusing me of something and I am denying it. Kindly provide EVIDENCE for your accusation, or do not ever speak to me again, and do not comment on my posts ever again. I will pay you the same courtesy.

AVGresponding:

--- Quote from: Specmaster on July 13, 2022, 10:00:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on July 13, 2022, 08:55:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: mansaxel on July 13, 2022, 08:31:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on July 13, 2022, 04:39:28 pm ---You may well be right, istr the last stuff made here was the Vivaro van, and they maybe did announce its imminent demise/offshoring. Bloody scandalous is the murder of our car manufacturing industry.

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Most of it actually deserved it.

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Most. I had a Corsa for a couple of weeks as a loaner from the garage a few years back. Horrible car; if you tried to pivot between the accelerator and brake, as recommended by most driving instructors, your foot crashed into the side of the brake and you had to lift another 4-6 inches to get onto the brake - potentially lethal in my opinion. On the other hand I had a Cavalier 2.0 SRi as a company car back in the middle of the 80s and that wasn't bad at all, no real vices, reliable, decent handling compared to most other rep-mobiles, comfortable, nothing special but nothing to really moan about.

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Agreed to a point, the Cavalier was not a good car, it was at best a mediocre one that suffered from bad build quality. I had 2 as company cars, the best company cars I've had have been Volkswagen Passats and dare I say it, the outright winner has to be Skoda Superbs, these cars have just performed and performed faultlessly. Previous company cars have been Ford Cortina's, Ford Sierra's, Rover 200. Another great car I had as a company car was an Austin Montego, not only was it a very comfortable car but it had a seriously gutsy engine.

The modern version of the Cavalier is the Insigna and that is IMO a horrible little shitbox. I had a hire car once while mine was in for accident repair and the hire car was 2 weeks old, and it creaked and squeaked, moaned and groaned like a 20 year old one, horrible thing.

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Little? I don't know what gen your Superb is, but if it's a gen 2 (2008-2015) and therefore more or less contemporary with my Insignia (2010), it's pretty much the same size... a big old barge for me, though I suppose compared to the mode du jour it's maybe slightly smaller than average.

As for squeaks and creaks, I guess you got unlucky? Mine has 190k on the clock, and it's as tight and quiet as you'd expect from a new car.

m k:

--- Quote from: dl6lr on July 13, 2022, 01:15:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: bd139 on July 13, 2022, 12:59:18 pm ---The car I just mentioned is French  :-DD (Citroen)

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Got a Citroen as a replacement car after an accident in winter 2010. It had a full metal gear shift knob and it felt it was bound to permafrost through a heat pipe...

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Citroen C5 v1 was burning 50A radiator fan fuse.
Solution was to put cabinet heating and blow to max, pretty nice when bright sunny day was +30C.
The cause was that the slow fan was broken and high fan from zero was occasionally too much.

Cabinet heating was melting its fuse but it didn't blow, I lifted it up so it didn't burn itself through the machine.
The heater was also occasionally stopping its operation, if cold enough.
(in case it's unknown, you can't drive without enough warm air to inside of the windshield when outside is cold enough)
The cause there was a bad connection at the heater end and not the actual broken heater.
The solution was bulkier male connectors from thick enough wires from solid electric cable.
Typical the f you do repair of an old car, and the fuse continued melting anyway, but voltage at the end was not dropping anymore.
No idea where the warmth would have gone with bigger fuse.

m k:
HP 54600 series.

Since picture data goes through 74LS194 with four lines,
I'd check how those values really are.
(page 21/125 of xDevs schematics)

mnementh:

--- Quote from: AVGresponding on July 14, 2022, 08:47:07 am ---
--- Quote from: mnementh on July 13, 2022, 07:09:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on July 13, 2022, 04:27:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: mnementh on July 13, 2022, 01:08:26 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on July 13, 2022, 12:22:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: mnementh on July 13, 2022, 12:05:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on July 13, 2022, 11:41:55 am ---
--- Quote from: mnementh on July 13, 2022, 11:32:22 am ---
--- Quote from: bd139 on July 13, 2022, 08:06:59 am ---Yep. Rocking the 0.99L 3 cyl here  :-DD

Sounds like a V8 if you stick kangaroo juice in it.
--- End quote ---

I think you've been drinking too much of the kangaroo juice. Nothing sound like a V-8 except a V-8. ;)

I have no problem with folks keeping the heavy metal of yesteryear alive... I'll always be a motorhead, and there still is no replacement for displacement. But this is a different world; these toys of yesteryear have to be treated as toys, not as a way of life if we are to survive as a species. We cannot afford for those lovely beasts to be anybody's "daily driver" any longer.

mnem


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Aaaaand this has always been utter nonsense. This is why Colin Chapman's designs blew all the primitive displacement based ones into the weeds.

The only thing adding displacement is good for is going fast in a straight line. For anything else, weight reduction is the real answer. Hence how Mini Coopers could beat 7-litre+ yank tanks in the early days of touring cars.
--- End quote ---

And it's equally arguable that your line of reasoning is just wankers spankin' it because they can't get their hands on a real car.

Anything you can do to a tiny engine you can do to a big engine and get even more power. Simple physics.

You don't have a right to judge how people like to play, or their choice of toys... don't be a dick, man.

mnem
 :horse:

--- End quote ---

You're completely missing the point, not sure if deliberately or not, but w/e.

The Point: Weight reduction improves EVERY aspect of a car's performance. Putting a bigger engine in it, or for that matter keeping the same engine and increasing the power by boring/stroking it, ONLY improves (assuming you have the traction and gearing headroom) straight line acceleration and top speed. That is simple physics.

I have not at any point criticised or judged other people's method or means of playing, that's entirely in your head. I put it to you that it is not I that is "being a dick".
--- End quote ---
That is exactly what you were doing. There is nothing wrong with wanting NOTHING MORE than to go fast in a straight line. There is nothing wrong with wanting to strap your ass to the biggest chunk of horsepower you can muster, and just PUNCH IT.

You were passing judgement on that, and denigrating that form of play. You were being a dick.

EDIT: And speaking of MISSING THE POINT ENTIRELY: My point was explicitly that musclecars are a toy and need to be treated as such. You're the one had to jump on them being huge and wasteful, as if that matters more than a fat heap of dingoes' kidneys when we're talking about toys.

mnem
Try putting a 460 into a VW Beetle some time. The thrill is visceral, and partly because it is dumb and dangerous and puts you out of control.

--- End quote ---

No, just no. You're reading between the lines what you want to believe, and not what I said. Standard Mnem.

I pointed out the fallacy of the statement "there's no replacement for displacement", nothing more. I think you'll find that people who get their kicks from driving fast in a straight line for around 10 seconds ALSO get serious on the weight reduction, if they are competitive. I have NOTHING against this pastime, even if it's not for me.

As for musclecars being "just toys", this is a stereotypical view normally only seen outside north America, and if I'd said that I would have been in the wrong and could have been justifiably called on it. I know people in the UK that daily drive a muscle car. I bet a lot more do it in the US and Canada.

I also never mentioned them being huge and wasteful, again. you're imagining things that just are not true. Did you not notice I posted a yt link to a CLASSIC MUSCLE CAR when disagreeing with the statement "there's no better sound than a supercharger"?

If you're going to pick a fight with someone, at least do it for something they actually said or did, not just what you imagined they said or did.
--- End quote ---

I'm sorry; I can't hear you over the sound of you backpedaling... ;)

TL/DR: You picked this fight, and it was over a point you evidently don't even disagree with. I've had my belly full; I'm gonna go sand a fucking table. At least something productive will happen today.  :-DD

mnem
vroom.

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You're accusing me of something and I am denying it. Kindly provide EVIDENCE for your accusation, or do not ever speak to me again, and do not comment on my posts ever again. I will pay you the same courtesy.
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FFS man... it's all right there. All you have to do is take a few steps back and it's pretty obvious how what you said can be taken in a confrontational tone; this time that's what happened.

It's also pretty obvious that what started out as a mild bit of preaching about how wasteful people are, (actual intent was more about how hard we fight to protect our "right" to be wasteful ::)) has turned into a senseless row   completely out of misunderstanding.

Since one of us has to be the first to act like an adult about this, I'm going to go sit in the time-out corner for 10 minutes. I suggest you find a different corner and do the same.

Jeebus.

mnem

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