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Zenith:

--- Quote from: mnementh on July 17, 2022, 06:15:58 pm ---

Izzat the "across the pond" equivalent of dis guy...? Not sure bd would be willin' ta shave 'is head like I do...  :o

mnem
 ???

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Along those lines - the very embodiment of cleaning.

He was an old fashioned pilot cartoon character with a handlebar moustache who flew about cleaning things.



The products were OK but they didn't work quite like that.





Cerebus:

--- Quote from: mnementh on July 17, 2022, 05:37:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on July 17, 2022, 05:11:47 pm ---...You seem to have this unfounded belief that the English criminal law is something handed down from on high by the elite to oppress the huddled masses. It isn't, most criminal law in England and Wales evolved as Common Law, based on precedents set in the trials of ordinary people for the actions they took towards other ordinary people who had brought the matter before the courts for adjudication.
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I probably didn't explain my thinking very well; sorry.  :-[

Not English criminal law specifically; but the change in direction of lawmaking in general over my lifetime. I'm pretty sure you've noticed the resumed tendency for laws in general to reinforce the Golden Rule rather than any real form of social equity. Also the general trend towards an ever-tightening net of laws which as an aggregate tend to criminalize poverty.

I guess I thought it was only so egregious over here; examples like these show to me that this isn't just a "Corporate States of America" problem but rather a "Human beings and Humanity" problem.

At least, that's where my thinking was going. :-//

mnem
At this point I'm going to drop the subject, as it is definitely dipping toes in the Politics mudpuddle.

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The Criminal Damage Act 1971 (you can read the whole thing here, it's short) is actually an example of how to make good law. It tackles a simple principle not some huge raft of various acts that the government or people who "think something must be done" would like to see criminalised, it's universally applicable, it's short, there are no more special cases than absolutely necessary (i.e. arson), it's in plain English, and it removed a lot of the cruft and special cases that did exist in previous existing law (Malicious Damage Act 1861). Modern legislators could learn a lot in principle from reading it and following its example.

The original including schedules of repeals etc ran to 10 pages in the small sparse format HMSO used to use for Acts of Parliament, the two most recents Acts of Parliament, both relatively transient things, run to 26 and 84 pages respectively, the most recent Act passed with Criminal Law as the subject ran to 353 pages.
mnementh:
Thanks, that mostly made sense even to a lay-person like myself. Certainly not a representative example of much of what has been passed in the nearly half-century since, I fear.  :-[

mnem
Hell, my tax returns have less clarity... even the short form. :o
Cerebus:

--- Quote from: mnementh on July 17, 2022, 06:15:58 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zenith on July 17, 2022, 05:53:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: bd139 on July 17, 2022, 05:44:14 pm ---
Main tools used were a microfibre cloth and some kitchen spray  :-DD


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Change your avatar to Mr Sheen.
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Izzat the "across the pond" equivalent of dis guy...? Not sure bd would be willin' ta shave 'is head like I do...  :o

mnem
 ???

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He looks like the first words out of his lips are gonna be "You're not from around here are you boy?".

Mr. Sheen was somewhat friendlier:

Specmaster:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on July 17, 2022, 05:32:26 pm ---
--- Quote from: Specmaster on July 17, 2022, 04:32:44 pm ---That's about it, it's like, at least in the UK, it is not illegal for someone to park their car on your driveway, but it is illegal for you to remove it or damage it in any way  :wtf:

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Wrong in almost every important respect. It is unlawful for someone to park on your driveway(tort), it is not unlawful to have said vehicle moved on private property, but becomes illegal the moment on is on public property unless one is properly licensed to do so or is a bailiff acting under court order, or anyone acting under the directions of a police constable or traffic warden (RTA), it is unlawful to damage it in so doing (tort), but recent precedent shows that it is not illegal to damage it in doing so (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-60260155). It is illegal to clamp or otherwise immobilise a vehicle on private property except by closing a gate or barrier that was present but not closed when the vehicle was parked (Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 S.54).

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--- Quote from: Cerebus on July 17, 2022, 05:32:26 pm ---
--- Quote from: Specmaster on July 17, 2022, 04:32:44 pm ---That's about it, it's like, at least in the UK, it is not illegal for someone to park their car on your driveway, but it is illegal for you to remove it or damage it in any way  :wtf:

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Wrong in almost every important respect. It is unlawful for someone to park on your driveway(tort), it is not unlawful to have said vehicle moved on private property, but becomes illegal the moment on is on public property unless one is properly licensed to do so or is a bailiff acting under court order, or anyone acting under the directions of a police constable or traffic warden (RTA), it is unlawful to damage it in so doing (tort), but recent precedent shows that it is not illegal to damage it in doing so (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-60260155). It is illegal to clamp or otherwise immobilise a vehicle on private property except by closing a gate or barrier that was present but not closed when the vehicle was parked (Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 S.54).

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Well, that is what I was told by a serving police officer, who was on duty at the time and was attending an incident when that actually happened to me a neighbour who was being a right entitled idiot because he had his family had 5 vehicles to park  >:D
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