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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24075 on: January 31, 2019, 06:14:38 pm »
about the picture from the killed Fet Probe,
I have that in the collection, complete is like this.

 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24076 on: January 31, 2019, 06:19:00 pm »
about the picture from the killed Fet Probe,
I have that in the collection, complete is like this.

That brings up a great question...so I have two of these probes. One of them is just the probe, accessories missing. The other one is the complete set, brand new. However, the included ground lead is comically long for high frequencies. Do you know where I could find a shorter one that screws into the probe handle properly?
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24077 on: January 31, 2019, 06:25:51 pm »
you are right, that is not useful for 500MHz and up.
I have some other probes where is a double pin Head, center Pin is hot and side Pin is ground.
May be that works with the long cable bec. p6201 is high impedance input. The dual pin probes are 10X (=500 ohm) and 100x (=5k)
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24078 on: January 31, 2019, 06:26:31 pm »
      Thanks for the comments, I have just got into 3D printing (Flashforge) , I have found it a bit easier than I thought it would be.
Very helpful for TEA repair of 'old classics' minus some critical part - what do people do with battery doors FFS! Or there is a discontinuity in space-time full of equipment battery compartment lids.
Yes, well... FlashForge is like Ultimaker... it's the "easy button" for 3DP. We poor Philistines will continue to be excited over the results from our inferior "homebrew" setups, and there's not a damn thing anybody can do to stop us!   >:D

But yeah... battery doors and custom equipment feet were some of of the first things that came to mind when I first started walking the edge of this slippery slope... I still have my deathgrip on that jutting root, and I am fighting with all my might to claw my way back to reality.

Of course, I have no doubt that my current computer case modding project will ensure my safe passage back into the good graces of the occupationally-normative hegemony.  :-DD

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24079 on: January 31, 2019, 07:02:11 pm »

about the picture from the killed Fet Probe,
I have that in the collection, complete is like this.
That brings up a great question...so I have two of these probes. One of them is just the probe, accessories missing. The other one is the complete set, brand new. However, the included ground lead is comically long for high frequencies. Do you know where I could find a shorter one that screws into the probe handle properly?

   

I know I'm showing my ignorance here, as I've never actually had occasion to use one of these probes...

If you pop off that probe prophylactic, is there a shield barrel that these can fit on? I found a vendor on AliEx that carries clones of the original Tek clips for both 3.5mm and 4.5mm barrel.

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« Last Edit: January 31, 2019, 07:05:36 pm by mnementh »
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24080 on: January 31, 2019, 07:27:35 pm »
Oh cool. Going to order some of them as my recent new set of tek probes missed those. Everything else was present. . Thanks for the heads up.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24081 on: January 31, 2019, 07:38:01 pm »
I know I'm showing my ignorance here, as I've never actually had occasion to use one of these probes...

If you pop off that probe prophylactic, is there a shield barrel that these can fit on? I found a vendor on AliEx that carries clones of the original Tek clips for both 3.5mm and 4.5mm barrel.

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Dave had them in a video on bypass capacitors not too long ago. It's actually longer ago than I remembered. :palm:

 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24082 on: January 31, 2019, 07:43:13 pm »
Indeed. Also time to repost Linear AN47: https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/application-notes/an47fa.pdf

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24083 on: January 31, 2019, 08:04:11 pm »
Well, no... I'm not ignorant of such fundamental principles as test-induced signal degradation due to capacitive coupling, ringing and common-mode noise; I understand why we use these clips.  :palm:

I've just never used one of this older Tek family of FET probes in person so I didn't know if they had the shield barrel on them; I figured it was possible Tek took a different approach with these particular probes.   :o

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I also figured it was possible they used the less-common 4.5mm barrel, and wanted to pass on that I'd found an aftermarket source for those clips that wasn't this kind of crazy expensive: https://www.amazon.com/Cal-Test-Electronics-CT3672-Oscilloscope/dp/B009QBSSKS

30 bucks a set adds up QUICK!!!    :scared:

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24084 on: January 31, 2019, 08:22:36 pm »
My graph insists on being linear, while it really should be a curve. I'm so fed up with this I'm inclined to do some paperwork instead. :palm:

Okay, despite all my efforts to ensure it wasn't a scaling issue it was a scaling issue. Why is it always the simple things?
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24085 on: January 31, 2019, 08:26:43 pm »
I also figured it was possible they used the less-common 4.5mm barrel, and wanted to pass on that I'd found an aftermarket source for those clips that wasn't this kind of crazy expensive: https://www.amazon.com/Cal-Test-Electronics-CT3672-Oscilloscope/dp/B009QBSSKS

30 bucks a set adds up QUICK!!!    :scared:

For what it's worth, MSRP on these is $14 and you can get them for that price from Digikey. Not sure why Amazon thinks list price is $70.

Cal Test has a whole range of Tek 3.5mm probe accesories that are more-or-less reasonably priced: http://www.caltestelectronics.com/ctitem/#!/35-35mm-probe-accessories/

They're designed for their P6139A equivalent but I've tried a lot of them on my set of P6137 probes and they work well.

edit: fix broken url parsing
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24086 on: January 31, 2019, 08:45:12 pm »
@mnen, thanks for posting the details about those probe connectors, I'll be ordering some of those myself shortly,  :-+
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24087 on: January 31, 2019, 09:11:56 pm »

about the picture from the killed Fet Probe,
I have that in the collection, complete is like this.
That brings up a great question...so I have two of these probes. One of them is just the probe, accessories missing. The other one is the complete set, brand new. However, the included ground lead is comically long for high frequencies. Do you know where I could find a shorter one that screws into the probe handle properly?

   

I know I'm showing my ignorance here, as I've never actually had occasion to use one of these probes...

If you pop off that probe prophylactic, is there a shield barrel that these can fit on? I found a vendor on AliEx that carries clones of the original Tek clips for both 3.5mm and 4.5mm barrel.

mnem
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Hmmm, so THAT's what that thing is for...it came with one. Of course, it's predicated on there being a close ground available.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24088 on: January 31, 2019, 09:28:09 pm »
about the picture from the killed Fet Probe,
I have that in the collection, complete is like this.

That brings up a great question...so I have two of these probes. One of them is just the probe, accessories missing. The other one is the complete set, brand new. However, the included ground lead is comically long for high frequencies. Do you know where I could find a shorter one that screws into the probe handle properly?
If you have a few days for me to look for, I might have a spare. Could you verify the thread?
I have some Tek ground leads with threaded end, but I am not sure if there was only one type.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24089 on: January 31, 2019, 09:42:32 pm »

about the picture from the killed Fet Probe,
I have that in the collection, complete is like this.
That brings up a great question...so I have two of these probes. One of them is just the probe, accessories missing. The other one is the complete set, brand new. However, the included ground lead is comically long for high frequencies. Do you know where I could find a shorter one that screws into the probe handle properly?

   

I know I'm showing my ignorance here, as I've never actually had occasion to use one of these probes...

If you pop off that probe prophylactic, is there a shield barrel that these can fit on? I found a vendor on AliEx that carries clones of the original Tek clips for both 3.5mm and 4.5mm barrel.

mnem
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Hmmm, so THAT's what that thing is for...it came with one. Of course, it's predicated on there being a close ground available.

If you haven't got a nearby ground, you have bigger problems than not having such a probe tip!
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24090 on: January 31, 2019, 09:44:20 pm »
@inverted18650:
If he doesn't want it, I would!

@the others:
wait until I get a better digicam and I will toolp0rn you!

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24091 on: January 31, 2019, 10:22:36 pm »
about the picture from the killed Fet Probe,
I have that in the collection, complete is like this.

That brings up a great question...so I have two of these probes. One of them is just the probe, accessories missing. The other one is the complete set, brand new. However, the included ground lead is comically long for high frequencies. Do you know where I could find a shorter one that screws into the probe handle properly?
If you have a few days for me to look for, I might have a spare. Could you verify the thread?
I have some Tek ground leads with threaded end, but I am not sure if there was only one type.

I'll have to dig the box out, but I'll let you know by tomorrow.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24092 on: January 31, 2019, 10:24:22 pm »
The self-build TM500 plugin with the multiple oscillators.

Martin.M accepted and I am sending it his way.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24093 on: January 31, 2019, 10:35:07 pm »

about the picture from the killed Fet Probe,
I have that in the collection, complete is like this.
That brings up a great question...so I have two of these probes. One of them is just the probe, accessories missing. The other one is the complete set, brand new. However, the included ground lead is comically long for high frequencies. Do you know where I could find a shorter one that screws into the probe handle properly?

   

I know I'm showing my ignorance here, as I've never actually had occasion to use one of these probes...

If you pop off that probe prophylactic, is there a shield barrel that these can fit on? I found a vendor on AliEx that carries clones of the original Tek clips for both 3.5mm and 4.5mm barrel.

mnem
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24094 on: January 31, 2019, 10:55:45 pm »
The self-build TM500 plugin with the multiple oscillators.

Martin.M accepted and I am sending it his way.

"white noise" on the Tek5111
That noise is green
and I did not want to see it now.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24095 on: January 31, 2019, 11:09:40 pm »
... from an old RF guy: ONLY A DEAD PROBE IS A GOOD PROBE.
If you want to measure some Gigahertzy stuff accurrately, provide a defined impedance path and not some antenna/inductor/capacitor mess hack.
If you still do (I confess having made FET probes myself) dont just believe what you see. Scepticism is king !
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24096 on: January 31, 2019, 11:39:12 pm »
If you still do (I confess having made FET probes myself) dont just believe what you see. Scepticism is king !

That applies to far more than FET probes!
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24097 on: February 01, 2019, 12:11:06 am »
So far I have contracted with someone else to print or have things printed in PLA, brass, nylon and SLA. I don't know what I will use next; paper?

Hence there's no point in my getting a printer.

There; fixed that for ya.  ;)   A really big difference; I'm sorry.
Just like leasing a car is not the same as building one from the hubs up, which I've also done.  :-DD

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I found a vendor on AliEx that carries clones of the original Tek clips for both 3.5mm and 4.5mm barrel.

mnem
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Oh cool. Going to order some of them as my recent new set of tek probes missed those. Everything else was present. . Thanks for the heads up.
@mnem, thanks for posting the details about those probe connectors, I'll be ordering some of those myself shortly,  :-+

You're both very welcome!  :-+ Glad I could help out!

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Various packages from Amazon were delivered today by no less than 3 different couriers... things are about to get very crunk, or very real.  :scared:

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24098 on: February 01, 2019, 12:17:06 am »
So far I have contracted with someone else to print or have things printed in PLA, brass, nylon and SLA. I don't know what I will use next; paper?

Hence there's no point in my getting a printer.

There; fixed that for ya.  ;)   A really big difference; I'm sorry.
Just like leasing a car is not the same as building one from the hubs up, which I've also done.  :-DD

Leasing isn't the right analogy. Owning a car vs taking a taxi is more apt.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #24099 on: February 01, 2019, 12:20:25 am »
@mnem, what is that PCI card for?
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