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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2675 on: October 10, 2017, 03:55:04 pm »
Its always nice when a repair is as straightforward as that though, gives you a warm feeling inside knowing that you have scored, and scored well to boot. Makes up for the disappointment with the V-7AUs if you ask me  :-+
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2676 on: October 10, 2017, 04:03:36 pm »
Jim Williams reckons that most scope problems are down to shorted tants, personally I have never found one yet that was shorted causing my issues  :-BROKE
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2677 on: October 10, 2017, 04:37:15 pm »
Nice catch.

I am at that point in my life I'll take the easy repairs any day...
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2678 on: October 10, 2017, 04:46:28 pm »
Indeed. Quite happy with this :)

There is a video on YouTube somewhere of Jim Williams fixing a 465B with a shorted tant.

Couple more pictures ... the replacement capacitor with his little ferrite booties. This is a nice modern AVX one. If you ever have to clip these out, cut them close to the body, not the board, then you can pull the remaining legs through and solder replacements in from the top without having to get the interface board out. Plated through holes as always from tek so  :-+ to lazy fixes.



Chucked back together:



Identified problems so far:

1. Dirt.
2. The vertical volts/div switch is dicky on channel A. The vernier is crunchy and when you turn the main calibrated switch, it turns the vernier. Will dismantle and clean this out. might win :)
3. The fine horizontal position control pot is broken. These are ALWAYS broken universally on these. If I'm lucky I can pull the shaft forwards enough and do the grub screw up enough to hold it so it at least feels right.
4. More dirt
5. I have absolutely no idea how to use the time and 1/time settings!
6. Fan filter disintegrated (again normal)
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2679 on: October 10, 2017, 05:27:39 pm »
Good deal, another fine piece of gear saved from the landfill.  :-+ :-+
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2680 on: October 10, 2017, 05:38:10 pm »

There is a video on YouTube somewhere of Jim Williams fixing a 465B with a shorted tant.

Indeed and here it is

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2681 on: October 10, 2017, 06:04:59 pm »
Looks like I too am "Irreversibly contaminated" (a toast to anyone who gets that reference); I came in here to find a good home for a 454 with the intermittent HV fault that I've been meaning to fix for 20 years. I haven't used the thing since I got a 2230 at an estate sale before my son was born.

Anyways... I just got that piece of mail every guy dreads; the "Welcome!" letter from AARP. As you can imagine, this does tend to have a bit of a polarizing effect on a man, and after some consideration and a cup of coffee, I figured it was time to just let the old beast go.

I took a few minutes with a rag to clean the front and replaced the fuse "one last time to take photos"; it's been running a while and has that familiar smell of warm dust and wax and of course now I can't. I just can't.


*weary sigh*

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2682 on: October 10, 2017, 06:29:47 pm »
That ones a beauty. Thanks for the nice photos.. I’d drag that one to the grave with me :)
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2683 on: October 10, 2017, 06:37:46 pm »
I have to say, seeing these nice photos of 454 and 475 on here, I'm getting broody, I like construction and the attention to detail, ooer... I can feel my control slipping away here fast, already have enough projects and another arriving any day now, it could be getting joined by another  :palm:
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2684 on: October 10, 2017, 06:57:35 pm »
You’re well in now. It escalates pretty quickly.

 I’ve actually decided to only buy stuff I need at the moment. In the case of the 475 I’m in the middle of building an HF transceiver PA stage and I suspect that it’s oscillating as there is a vast difference between what my other scope and my RF power meter are reporting. The 475 does indeed show it is oscillating.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2685 on: October 10, 2017, 07:36:42 pm »
You’re well in now. It escalates pretty quickly.

 I’ve actually decided to only buy stuff I need at the moment. In the case of the 475 I’m in the middle of building an HF transceiver PA stage and I suspect that it’s oscillating as there is a vast difference between what my other scope and my RF power meter are reporting. The 475 does indeed show it is oscillating.
I have to say, seeing these nice photos of 454 and 475 on here, I'm getting broody, I like construction and the attention to detail, ooer... I can feel my control slipping away here fast, already have enough projects and another arriving any day now, it could be getting joined by another  :palm:
It's all about control and organization, line up the projects for the next couple of years like this...
This year..
Finished HL-2200 amplifier all that is needed is some testing and a pilot lamp replacment.
Next.. (and every second week of the month) radio club paper work, being the secratary I have to get it all together by Thursday.... (fourth week Newsletter)...
Next real project.. HP-8569B number two...
Then..
The Motorola Micom 500E HF radio (microphone preamp design, and control computer hook up)
Tek 2440 next.. (CCD error)
Atlas 350XL and power supply
Tek-475 refresh
Hallicrafters HT-32 transmitter repair and rehab.
Bad Oscar (Heath SB-221 customization)
Tek 453 repair (maybe)
IFR FM/AM 1000s repair.
That is the list for 2017-end of 2018.
That leaves enough wild hair wiggle room. (that spontaneous project that should take a week but takes two months.)
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2686 on: October 10, 2017, 09:53:40 pm »
Well that was annoyingly easy. The tant on the end of the 15v rail was shorted - C1448.  Diagnostic process:

1. Measure rails and reference voltages.
2. Go through them in order.
3. Measure resistance of the tants. Ooh 0.27 ohms. That sounds like a short! Snip it out.
4. Power up. No explosions.

Bingo:

<SNIP>

Going to replace this (I actually have a replacement in stock for once - 10uF 25v) run through and measure ripple, clean it and calibrate it as best as I can with my limited kit. ESR on ALL of the big electrolytics is good.

 :-+

Nice work sir.

Sorry for the n00b question, how do you accurately measure Capacitor ESR in circuit?
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2687 on: October 10, 2017, 09:54:10 pm »
Identified problems so far:

1. Dirt.
2. The vertical volts/div switch is dicky on channel A. The vernier is crunchy and when you turn the main calibrated switch, it turns the vernier. Will dismantle and clean this out. might win :)
3. The fine horizontal position control pot is broken. These are ALWAYS broken universally on these. If I'm lucky I can pull the shaft forwards enough and do the grub screw up enough to hold it so it at least feels right.
4. More dirt
5. I have absolutely no idea how to use the time and 1/time settings!
6. Fan filter disintegrated (again normal)

So far, so good. Looks like a nice save.

It's all about control and organization, line up the projects for the next couple of years like this...

That's quite a to-do list, Sue. Congrats on all the neat gear in the queue.

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That leaves enough wild hair wiggle room. (that spontaneous project that should take a week but takes two months.)

Yeah, tell me about it. There are the non-electronics ones, too. My "honey do" list is longer than my workbench. :-DD
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2688 on: October 10, 2017, 10:02:24 pm »
Nice work sir.

Sorry for the n00b question, how do you accurately measure Capacitor ESR in circuit?

Cheeky hack this one. You don't do it accurately: not possible!

1. Use your DDS to stick a 100kHz 100mV square wave into the cap under test. 100mV so you don't make any silicon junctions conduct.
2. Connect a scope across it.
3. Measure amplitude A.
4. Stick another known good cap across it in parallel.
5. Measure amplitude B.
6. If B is more than about 5% greater than A, then the DUT is likely knackered.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2689 on: October 10, 2017, 10:45:47 pm »
Nice work sir.

Sorry for the n00b question, how do you accurately measure Capacitor ESR in circuit?

Cheeky hack this one. You don't do it accurately: not possible!

1. Use your DDS to stick a 100kHz 100mV square wave into the cap under test. 100mV so you don't make any silicon junctions conduct.
2. Connect a scope across it.
3. Measure amplitude A.
4. Stick another known good cap across it in parallel.
5. Measure amplitude B.
6. If B is more than about 5% greater than A, then the DUT is likely knackered.

Lol, nice one!

I Assume DDS = Function Generator? Now I have another item to add to my required equipment list.   :-DD
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2690 on: October 10, 2017, 11:34:57 pm »
Yep any old function generator will do.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2691 on: October 11, 2017, 01:26:44 am »
Nice work sir.

Sorry for the n00b question, how do you accurately measure Capacitor ESR in circuit?

Cheeky hack this one. You don't do it accurately: not possible!

1. Use your DDS to stick a 100kHz 100mV square wave into the cap under test. 100mV so you don't make any silicon junctions conduct.
2. Connect a scope across it.
3. Measure amplitude A.
4. Stick another known good cap across it in parallel.
5. Measure amplitude B.
6. If B is more than about 5% greater than A, then the DUT is likely knackered.

Thats a handy trick, I always lift a leg out and stick my ESR meter on it then and with tants, just use a multimeter on low ohms. Next time I'll try this trick.  :-+
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2692 on: October 11, 2017, 02:11:19 am »
That ones a beauty. Thanks for the nice photos.. I’d drag that one to the grave with me :)

Thanks... there's some history there. Doesn't help the nostalgia a bit that it was likely manufactured the year I was born. ;)

Opinions... like my 2465s and my 2230, the rubber has long ago disintegrated on this one. I'm thinking about trying my hand at designing and 3D printing some replacements. Do you think the Tek gods would frown on such substitutes?

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2693 on: October 11, 2017, 02:34:48 am »
I'm thinking about trying my hand at designing and 3D printing some replacements. Do you think the Tek gods would frown on such substitutes?

Surely, that would be better than the whole thing taking up space in a landfill. ^-^
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2694 on: October 11, 2017, 03:56:36 am »
Not your Typical Test Equipment but I like to consider this lucky find, an Artifact! :D   When I find items like this for $200 on Ebay, it makes me want to never log off.   Help... Me...













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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2695 on: October 11, 2017, 05:06:33 am »
Wow, with docs! :-+
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2696 on: October 11, 2017, 07:29:39 am »
Not your Typical Test Equipment but I like to consider this lucky find, an Artifact! :D

Great Find!  :clap:
..and together with its documentation it's a really precious instrument. Worth the money!  :-+

I have a Philips PM 2535 with a mode for measuring PT100s and show the results in °C with 0.1°C resolution best; that would be like cast pearls before swine.

Do you have an instrument precise enough to use this temperature sensor?
If not so you have to go for it now, urgently!  :popcorn:
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2697 on: October 11, 2017, 02:46:44 pm »
Time to take up chocolate-making as a hobby. ;)


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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2698 on: October 11, 2017, 03:32:37 pm »
My TEA is getting worse... TopLoser is killing me with those prices. Help please!
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2699 on: October 11, 2017, 05:03:29 pm »
Because I'm careful with my equipment, I bought a case for my Fluke 87V on eBay. That way, I'm sure it will be safe when it's not in use. Today, I got my 87V out and what do you know: black marks on both sides of the holster from the strap of the case. I've been trying to get them off with soap, methanol or gentle scraping, but no dice. It looks like they're here to stay.

Sometimes you just can't win. Stuff like this kills me.

My TEA is getting worse... TopLoser is killing me with those prices. Help please!
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