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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42475 on: November 09, 2019, 04:37:17 pm »


I see that, in my temporary absence, Med has gone from a quite understandable obsession with Tek blue to a worrying one with Smurfette blue. One shudders to think where this may end up. It's the sort of think that can lead to dressing up in furry costumes and meeting with like minded people in smoky dive bars or seedy hotel rooms. Marginally acceptable as a detour in the young when they're at that "finding themselves" stage, but distinctly unnatural in men of our age unless they are judges, politicians or any of the occupations where the holder went to a certain class of school, one of a particular set of universities and had a nanny.

How did I manage to become so (in)famous???  :scared: :scared: :scared: :-DD
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42476 on: November 09, 2019, 04:45:40 pm »
How did I manage to become so (in)famous???  :scared: :scared: :scared: :-DD

I think it might be all the piss taking concerned comments from your friends on here.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42477 on: November 09, 2019, 04:54:15 pm »
It's antenna day here. I put the soaked coax on the NanoVNA and unfortuntely it wasn't very interesting at all. Literally high VSWR down the entire line.

This time I'm not screwing it up so I have put together a new head for it which is a bit better designed than the original i.e. it has the coax entry pointing down, is shrinked properly and then coated in liquid tape just to make sure.



Please excuse the pikey current balun. They are cheap and work! (Fair-rite 5943003801 - Amidon can fuck off with their markup!)

Edit: the wire is sotabeams stuff which is awesome. It doesn't stretch at all https://www.sotabeams.co.uk/antenna-wire-lightweight-100m/

Also the moment I decided to go out and set it up it started pissing it down.  :--

That's a right proper way to construct a feed line connection. And there's nothing wrong with that choke either, though I'd probably wrap it before I put it in the air.   :-+

I have a couple of wires up with the sotabeam wire. Nice stuff.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42478 on: November 09, 2019, 04:55:23 pm »
Well....that didn't take long. The RCA scope is model 54-45 and is nothing more than a re-badged EICO 430. I thought it looked familiar. And to top it off it was a kit, just like the EICO. No wonder it looks like Gorilla's in there.

I found a copy of the original entire manual including schematic on Bama archive.


 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42479 on: November 09, 2019, 05:09:20 pm »
Gettin' rid of something, buyin' something else.    :-+

I have a buyer for the Keithley 197 I posted on CL three or four weeks ago.  That sale will cover the purchase of the allegedly working HP 5328A with GPIB, high stability time base, 500MHz channel, and DVM options.  Not a bad trade!

If the incoming 5328A works as advertised (or I can get it working), I will put the current 5328A on my bench, which doesn't have all the goodies, on the market.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42480 on: November 09, 2019, 05:46:31 pm »
The RCA scope has been powered up for a little over an hour and in addition to some noise on the trace it also keeps drifting up which indicates a leaky inter stage coupling cap. And I don't know where this scope was stored but man does it ever stink.  :scared: First order is to pull all the tubes and clean the chassis. Then going to pull together list of replacement capacitors. I'll spot check resistors for now.

For those unfamiliar with EICO they were a kit manufacturer located in NYC and a competitor to Heath. They made decent kits and in some respects were superior to Heath. Some of their stereo equipment is today in high demand and commands premium prices. I don't know if they ever did business in the EU. By the early 1980's they were pretty much out of business. I do have one of their catalogs in my records.     
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42481 on: November 09, 2019, 05:50:21 pm »
Well....that didn't take long. The RCA scope is model 54-45 and is nothing more than a re-badged EICO 430. I thought it looked familiar. And to top it off it was a kit, just like the EICO. No wonder it looks like Gorilla's in there.

I found a copy of the original entire manual including schematic on Bama archive.

Huh, I'm wondering exactly how useful such a scope is other than "hey look there's an AC signal here" or displaying X-Y mode (since it has separate vertical and horizontal inputs).
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42482 on: November 09, 2019, 05:56:51 pm »
Well....that didn't take long. The RCA scope is model 54-45 and is nothing more than a re-badged EICO 430. I thought it looked familiar. And to top it off it was a kit, just like the EICO. No wonder it looks like Gorilla's in there.

I found a copy of the original entire manual including schematic on Bama archive.

Huh, I'm wondering exactly how useful such a scope is other than "hey look there's an AC signal here" or displaying X-Y mode (since it has separate vertical and horizontal inputs).

That's really about it. I didn't realize until now that apparently when you were a student at the RCA Institutes that part of the program was to build this scope for your use. They also had home correspondence courses so I assume building this scope was part of that program too.

And yes, to us this is real mundane. But to a newbie it really seems amazing.   :-+
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42483 on: November 09, 2019, 06:02:54 pm »
Yeah, it's a pretty cool project. You certainly would learn a lot from building it.  :-+
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42484 on: November 09, 2019, 06:11:11 pm »

I will find a way to put the little ONYX2 also in this work room, to play with the amazing grafix ("reality engine"). Not museum.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42485 on: November 09, 2019, 06:26:00 pm »

Huh, I'm wondering exactly how useful such a scope is other than "hey look there's an AC signal here" or displaying X-Y mode (since it has separate vertical and horizontal inputs).

I have two of the EICO 435's and use one for looking at AC signals and the other in X-Y mode for component curve tracer, just as you mentioned.
They are not used very often, about twice a month but handy when I do need them.
They also make great heaters for the room during the winter.
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42486 on: November 09, 2019, 06:39:52 pm »
It's antenna day here. ......

This time I'm not screwing it up ........
But you still did, sort of !  :-//

Nutthing wrong with the ferrite just the way you used it with the tight coax wraps exceeding the min bending radius of the coax.  :horse:

Use a couple of ferrites and secure them in place with cable ties not tight radius coax wraps.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42487 on: November 09, 2019, 06:50:07 pm »
Mind bend is repeated bending. You can half it for permanent bends on non foam RG58.

Edit: see datasheet for example https://www.pasternack.com/images/ProductPDF/RG58C-U.pdf
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42488 on: November 09, 2019, 08:23:02 pm »

Huh, I'm wondering exactly how useful such a scope is other than "hey look there's an AC signal here" or displaying X-Y mode (since it has separate vertical and horizontal inputs).

I have two of the EICO 435's and use one for looking at AC signals and the other in X-Y mode for component curve tracer, just as you mentioned.
They are not used very often, about twice a month but handy when I do need them.
They also make great heaters for the room during the winter.

Interesting, those 435's have blue cabinets. This 430 clone has gray with some rust and crud. Not for long!  :-DD
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42489 on: November 09, 2019, 09:40:09 pm »
I had been casually watching this rather rare Time Electronics 5075 DMM on eBay over the last few days and it had sat at £80 for the best part of that time but in the closing seconds of the auction it shot up and finally went for £361.77. Just wondering if it was anyone from this thread who was the winner in the end.

What attracted me to it was the firms reputation for top notch gear, British made and its lovely rich blue display, but hell it one hell of a boat anchor.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42490 on: November 09, 2019, 10:00:40 pm »
Wow, is this a audiofool or an audiophil, thoughts please, but this is alledged to be a 1,000,000$ audio system and to me, it sounds nothing special at all.

And the unique thing about it is that does not use any capacitors at all in its design.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42491 on: November 09, 2019, 10:07:24 pm »
Ah so they’ve worked out how to sell invisible capacitors now too!

Incidentally all audiophilery is absolutely bullshit through and through. Even spending £10k on something which is pretty low balling in the audiophile stakes means you’ve spent £10k on something to listen to a low rate recorded by some cheap ass muso hammering shit out on a set of instruments held together with duct tape while the sound engineer was stoned and drunk at the same time. Buying a £50 cable doesn’t get rid of that rusty POS Chinese 1/4” patch they used when they recorded it.

Honesty the nearest thing I’ve heard to reality and this is quite surprising was a concert I went to (penguin Cafe). I recorded a couple of tracks on my phone’s built in mic and listened to them later on the provided earphones and it was pretty damn on the mark. You could hear all the piss poor tuning and mistakes. None of that edited shit.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42493 on: November 09, 2019, 10:27:59 pm »
I had been casually watching this rather rare Time Electronics 5075 DMM on eBay over the last few days and it had sat at £80 for the best part of that time but in the closing seconds of the auction it shot up and finally went for £361.77. Just wondering if it was anyone from this thread who was the winner in the end.

What attracted me to it was the firms reputation for top notch gear, British made and its lovely rich blue display, but hell it one hell of a boat anchor.
Rather rare indeed. Maybe being rare as well as British, in addition to having a rich blue display and a top notch manufacturer were only secondary. I have to admit that I was unaware of it's existence, even as I have a R decade and a current source from them. It has some unique features.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42494 on: November 09, 2019, 10:38:15 pm »
With rotten shellac on still-good copper like that (all those "dark" areas of Shellac over copper are "rotten"), leaving it will just result in the rot spreading; but you have to balance the need to repair against the possibility of damaging a trace. Correct solution is to mask off the edges of the trace with something like Kapton tape to protect the substrate, use fine steel wool to scrub all rotten shellac off a section of trace leaving shiny copper, then remove the masking and move to the next area of trace until it is all either clear shellac or shiny copper.

After that, clean with IPA and paint with new shellac or clear fingernail polish. Epoxy is also perfectly fine, I've used it in a pinch; just be sure to make a thin coating using a flattened & cut-off Q-Tip stick or coffee stirrer as a squeegee.

If i have any doubts as to whether the thickness of the trace has been compromised by acid etching, I consider reinforcing with wire or tinning the trace. This is best done by applying rosin to the shiny cleaned copper trace, then starting at a solder pad and adding a fair blob of solder, then dragging the iron across the bare copper through the flux. Work a little hot & as fast as you can to avoid lumps and to avoid damaging the trace/substrate bond. This requires a fair amount of practice and soldering skill; you need to practice a lot on junk boards to get your technique down pat. After the trace is tinned, clean up the solder pad areas where you started tinning from and paint the trace as above.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42495 on: November 09, 2019, 10:38:27 pm »
Incidentally all audiophilery is absolutely bullshit through and through. Even spending £10k on something which is pretty low balling in the audiophile stakes means you’ve spent £10k on something to listen to a low rate recorded by some cheap ass muso hammering shit out on a set of instruments held together with duct tape while the sound engineer was stoned and drunk at the same time. Buying a £50 cable doesn’t get rid of that rusty POS Chinese 1/4” patch they used when they recorded it.

Yes but it takes a whole lot of expensive gear to reproduce the sound of that crap faithfully:-DD
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42496 on: November 09, 2019, 10:41:05 pm »
Incidentally all audiophilery is absolutely bullshit through and through. Even spending £10k on something which is pretty low balling in the audiophile stakes means you’ve spent £10k on something to listen to a low rate recorded by some cheap ass muso hammering shit out on a set of instruments held together with duct tape while the sound engineer was stoned and drunk at the same time. Buying a £50 cable doesn’t get rid of that rusty POS Chinese 1/4” patch they used when they recorded it.

Yes but it takes a whole lot of expensive gear to reproduce the sound of that crap faithfully:-DD

That’s a fair point  :-DD
 

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« Reply #42497 on: November 09, 2019, 10:42:55 pm »

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42498 on: November 09, 2019, 10:45:56 pm »
I had been casually watching this rather rare Time Electronics 5075 DMM on eBay over the last few days and it had sat at £80 for the best part of that time but in the closing seconds of the auction it shot up and finally went for £361.77. Just wondering if it was anyone from this thread who was the winner in the end.

What attracted me to it was the firms reputation for top notch gear, British made and its lovely rich blue display, but hell it one hell of a boat anchor.

It also had a manual, which is useful since there's bugger all info on the web.

I was looking too, but the price was more than I am prepared to pay - at least until after I have sold some of my other 19" multimeters. Certainly at least one Solartron 7075 has to go, and if I get something like that 5075 then maybe a Datron 1061 disappears - but that would leave me with no Panaplex displays[1].

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #42499 on: November 09, 2019, 10:47:09 pm »
Wow, is this a audiofool or an audiophil, thoughts please, but this is alledged to be a 1,000,000$ audio system and to me, it sounds nothing special at all.

And the unique thing about it is that does not use any capacitors at all in its design.



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