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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62250 on: July 01, 2020, 03:58:03 pm »
ok, dremeled down the SPI chip (oh, racism alert  :palm: )

Heatsink fits, RockPi is booting. All is well, hubby happy.
 
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mnem's Bench: MasTech MS-8911 LCR Tweezer Mini-Review
« Reply #62251 on: July 01, 2020, 04:09:51 pm »


So... yesterday's Canada Post had 2 packages; it was package number B that REALLY made me go SQUEEEE!!!

As a result of goading by Kosmic (and because I felt a need for something NEW on the bench), I bought a MasTech 8911 just to see if it was as much better than my MS8910 as people say... 

eBay auction: #283341251476 : Delivered to Canada & through Customs in 8 days; 20 more days delay thanks to Canada Post.  ::)



First off... it does NOT use cheap CR2302s like the MS8910. It uses a CR2450, which is much larger and like 3x as thick. You MIGHT be able to booty-fab a CR2302 in there with some cardboard shims in a pinch, tho. Nice that the battery cover screw mates to a brass insert. Well-done, MasTech.  :-+

Fortunately for this article, I had some CR2450s I bought by accident via unnatural prescience off Amazon a few months back.   >:D

A slight annoyance; not only is the box all in Chinese, so is the manual. Any English on them is clearly incidental... my guess would be that this particular unit was produced for Chinese Domestic sale. :o  Fortunately, the English manual is here on the MasTech website: http://www.mastech-group.com/download_s.php?id=234 (and attached below ;))




the MS8911 comes with very little; the manual above, a probe cover, spare set of probes and warranty card. It has good heft though; plastic feels like glas-impregnated nylon or polycarbonate as used in quality power tools.  :-+ The pics just don't do the screen justice; it is SO much crisper and clearer than the MS8910. Also, it has a proper lens over the fragile LCD; another thing that makes it feel more like a tool than a toy.   :-+ :-+




While fondling the bits, I noticed that the probe cover comes apart. Interestingly, there's a little chamber in there that seems made to be storage for the spare tips. Noice! No worries over losing them!    :-+ :-+ :-+




First usage; testing one of the 1206 SMD resistors I just got in. HERE... here is where the MS8911 proves itself almost instantly.     :-+ :-+ :-+ :-+

The MS8910 feels flimsy and toylike; the tweezers are weak and the sharp points deflect constantly rather than gripping the DUT properly. Parts CONSTANTLY flicked away because of missed grip; I am not kidding when I say that I am sure I lost more SMDs than I accurately measured with that thing.  :palm:

More annoyingly, after using THIS LCR Tweezer, I can admit to myself just how BAD that 8910 was at actually GETTING a reading; the MS8910 was SO finicky about exact probe placement that I WOULD ACTUALLY CRINGE when I had to try and readjust the tips to get a proper grip. I just KNEW the part  was going flick away somewhere beyond the bench; lost to the Grelber's demesne for all eternity. |O 

In contrast, the MS8911 tweezers are firm and precise with virtually NO deflection; the forked tip grips easily and surely even on these 1206 size parts, and I had no fear of losing them even while using it as tweezers, turning and flipping the part over and over. While the tweezers are pretty stiff and require a fair amount of force, the build quality is the polar opposite of the MS8910; the control provided over the DUT is impeccable. :-+ :-+ :-+ :-+ :-+

in full AUTO mode, testing takes about 3 seconds; good "as-expected" results from an assortment of random and known value resistors, caps and inductors.

I did some testing on parts in-circuit as well; while results often did NOT match marked components, it DID detect correct part type and give a reasonable value. The MS8910 rarely gave any useful results in circuit; most often just erroring out.

Once I get a chance to tinker a bit using the MS8911 with manual in hand, I expect the low-voltage/hi-impedance modes will yield more useful results when testing in-circuit. Here's a few more shots of it testing various other parts:




1KΩ 1% DALE resistor from my "Standards" baggie: Same results as my 189.  8)




Random unmarked Inductor:




22uF/31.5V MMLCC:

The MS8911 tweezers' grip on all the above components (and many more) was easy to manage and sure once gripped. It never errored out, and always gave valid results in ~3 seconds. When I have more bench time, I'll try it side x side against my Chinese Component Tester and my DE-5000. This tweezer appears to have a Delta Tan reading in the secondary data field on Capacitance mode; I want to see how it compares to the DE-5000 as well.

Final word: Just from a few minutes playtime on the bench, I can see that the MS8911 is pretty much EVERYTHING the MS8910 promises but can't deliver. This tool is a joy in the hand, and I already regret the $20 spent on its predecessor.  ::) If you can find it for less than $50 delivered like I did, it will quickly become one of those tools you KEEP OUT on the bench, and it will bring a smile to your face every time you reach for it.  ;D

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62252 on: July 01, 2020, 04:30:03 pm »
Mastech seem to be quietly building themselves an impressed customer base. My 2108 is great, and I notice the price is more than double what it was when I bought mine 5 or 6 years ago.

That 8911 is now on my long term list, thanks for that mnem   >:(

To return the favour, here's one for the Norte Americanos to have a tilt at:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-HP-Agilent-Model-4261A-L-C-R-METER/153989166173
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62253 on: July 01, 2020, 04:41:47 pm »
Thanks, I think I'm full up. I now have 5 meters that do C & R, and 3 that do L. Here. In Canada. With me.  :-DD

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62254 on: July 01, 2020, 05:05:53 pm »
Lots of rumours, angry people etc. but no hard facts.  :-//

An apt description of any political rally staged for a particular politician in the United States.  >:D
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62255 on: July 01, 2020, 05:19:04 pm »
Mastech seem to be quietly building themselves an impressed customer base. My 2108 is great, and I notice the price is more than double what it was when I bought mine 5 or 6 years ago.

That 8911 is now on my long term list, thanks for that mnem   >:(

To return the favour, here's one for the Norte Americanos to have a tilt at:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-HP-Agilent-Model-4261A-L-C-R-METER/153989166173


Tempting. I haven't looked at the manual to see how tough it is to fix. Seems safe to assume that "no way to test" for an as-is auction is code for "broke as shit".  Working models have sold for as little as 200USD in recent times. And unlike mnen, I only have three LCR meters, which is like hardly having any at all. 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62256 on: July 01, 2020, 05:27:19 pm »
Hey! I resemble that remark!  :-DD

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62257 on: July 01, 2020, 06:51:22 pm »
Mastech seem to be quietly building themselves an impressed customer base. My 2108 is great, and I notice the price is more than double what it was when I bought mine 5 or 6 years ago.

That 8911 is now on my long term list, thanks for that mnem   >:(

To return the favour, here's one for the Norte Americanos to have a tilt at:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-HP-Agilent-Model-4261A-L-C-R-METER/153989166173


Other issue: you're going to want the test fixtures that go with it, and those will cost. I got my 4262A with test fixtures...probably wouldn't have gotten it otherwise!
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62258 on: July 01, 2020, 06:57:51 pm »
   Yes! ..unbelivable .. a working unit errived allready today!

So... how much did you ultimately pay for all this Japanese Steel...?

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230,- incl shipping euro's thats 250 usd ?
not bad for 2 units  :-DD
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62259 on: July 01, 2020, 07:00:49 pm »

230,- incl shipping euro's thats 250 usd ?
not bad for 2 units  :-DD


That's no doubt worth a jammy git

even if it'd been the correct amount of units.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62260 on: July 01, 2020, 07:23:36 pm »
Yup!      INDEED!

You think you'll be able to get the smashtastic one patched up and working 100%, maybe flip it? Or just gonna pull a mnem and stick it in the back closet as a parts mule...?

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62261 on: July 01, 2020, 07:24:16 pm »
Hmmm... Tracking says both these packages have been delivered, IN my community mailbox. And I just got a eMail from the Sewing Supply; my oil has been packed and will go out via Purolator Express Ground Service tomorrow morning.  :o

Well, FUCK. Now I have nothing to bitch about anymore; what the hell am I gonna do with m'seff...?

 :-DD  Lol...  You probably already answered that one yourself, above:

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I think I'll be too busy packing boxes to give a flying fuck either way, TBH. :P

You crack me up, man....  Keep it up, I can certainly use the extra humor value right now.   ;) 

Since everyone's sharing their shipping woes, here's the one I've mentioned some time ago. Still waiting...

Egads, that one is terrible!

My phone just bleeped with "With delivery courier - SOUTHERN ALBERTA, CANADA," today's updates have certainly inspired my confidence compared to where it was yesterday...  I believe that sort facility is here in Calgary by the airport, so I think it's at least in town, and it looks like it actually cleared customs, so things are actually looking good for once.   :)  (fingers crossed!)

. . . HOLY CRAP!

Just went to update the tracking info and post another image... 

It now says delivery by the end of the day today, on Canada Day, no less?! 
Finally, an actual shipping success story in the making?!  Oh, my!

* drussell is very happy all of a sudden...  :)

 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62262 on: July 01, 2020, 07:25:01 pm »
Ugh my middle one just dropped her iPhone 7 face down onto a chair base ffs. Today was sucking bad enough already  :palm: :palm: :palm:
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62263 on: July 01, 2020, 07:30:23 pm »
Ugh my middle one just dropped her iPhone 7 face down onto a chair base ffs. Today was sucking bad enough already  :palm: :palm: :palm:
Why don't you fit them with Gorilla glass screen protectors? I do that with all of my phones and tablets. My iPad was dropped recently on its face as well and only the gorilla glass cracked, the original screen is undamaged.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62264 on: July 01, 2020, 07:31:03 pm »
iPwn7...? Uggghhh. Hardly worth the assache of a new screen...    |O


. . . HOLY CRAP!

Just went to update the tracking info and post another image...  It now says delivery by the end of the day today, on Canada Day, no less?!  Finally, an actual shipping success story in the making?!  Oh, my!
* drussell is very happy all of a sudden...  :)
   

It was the Cincy hub that sat on my RC transmitter for almost 3 weeks; once it got up out of Dumbfuckistan, took a couple days to my doorstep.  :-+

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« Reply #62265 on: July 01, 2020, 07:31:54 pm »
Ugh my middle one just dropped her iPhone 7 face down onto a chair base ffs. Today was sucking bad enough already  :palm: :palm: :palm:

Screens on a 7 are still reasonably easy to change.  Not as super easy as the old 4/4s era but still do-able by an amateur, and they're old enough that good quality screens are available dirt cheap w/ new digitizer already assembled, etc.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62266 on: July 01, 2020, 07:34:29 pm »
Ugh my middle one just dropped her iPhone 7 face down onto a chair base ffs. Today was sucking bad enough already  :palm: :palm: :palm:

When my kids did that kind of stuff, I would always make sure it took 2-4 weeks to fix the problem.  It encourages them to take much better care of their things!
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62267 on: July 01, 2020, 07:37:15 pm »
iPwn7...? Uggghhh. Hardly worth the assache of a new screen...

@drussell -

It was the Cincy hub that sat on my RC transmitter for almost 3 weeks; once it got up out of Dumbfuckistan, took a couple days to my doorstep.  :-+

Was it a customs clearance issue?

I suppose I often tend to have better luck because most of my stuff is commercial, though I don't have brokerage accounts with any of the major carriers anymore these days, it still seems that commercial shipments often tend to get speedier service even within the same rate class.

It obviously always helps when you're ordering something from somewhere that does the pre-clearance and charges the GST etc. up front to speed it through customs, and/or paying for a rate class that includes brokerage, as that tends to put you at the front of the line, especially if it's an express-class or higher service.

It still seems to vary a LOT, for no apparent reason sometimes.   :palm: :palm:
 

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« Reply #62268 on: July 01, 2020, 07:40:14 pm »
Nope. Once it was shipped by bang-em-good, it took 10 days to get to the US and released to them by Canada Customs (at Cincy); that was ALL the Cincy hub.  |O

...Screens on a 7 are still reasonably easy to change.  Not as super easy as the old 4/4s era but still do-able by an amateur, and they're old enough that good quality screens are available dirt cheap w/ new digitizer already assembled, etc.
I've done a few; why I said "HARDLY WORTH IT"... ;)

It's a decision between a little money and a little assache now vs the heartache of the inevitable upgrade, when a iPwn 7 will in no time be is a doorstop in comparison to new sub-$200 Android phones with civilized screens. 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62269 on: July 01, 2020, 07:59:14 pm »
ON THE BENCH: 2KVA CURB SCORE!

Ooooh.... yummy toroidal XFMR. Wound as an Autotransformer, like all its ilk. Still... I can get into a lot of trouble with this thing.  >:D




Getting into it; I see the switch tests bad. Not surprising, considering the crispy power cord that came with.  :palm: Visual inspection of the IN/OUT sockets indicates no damage, though.  :phew:

Shockingly, the switch is all melty inside; I pretty much expected this after seeing that power cord. But the contacts & bars are in good shape; nearly zero charring. Hmmmm...


 

Just to facilitate testing, I think I'll booty-fab this switch back together just long enough for testing. What could possibly go wrong...?  ;) *melt... melt... melty-melt...*


Let's get it all mostly back together... better safe than zorchy. *Takes a few quick tests confirming infinite resistance vs case and GND before juicing things up*



Well... guess now that's done, I can get on with my life... we'll see how THAT works out.  :o

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I think the melted plug and the switch are only the symptoms, not the root cause. Once I had this on a transfomer, too. It was my own fault. Maybe you have a very nice green yellow short winding together with the case and the mounting screw. Just unscrew and meassure the resistance between gn/ye and screw... If it has e.g. 1 Ohm it is transformed to 0,5 Ohm on the primary. So you have on the primary 0,5 Ohm in series with the electric resistance of the coil, but nearly no inductive resitance. That's why it melted. Just connect gn/ye on the other side of the transformer or at the case and assure that the screw can not connect to the metall case.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62270 on: July 01, 2020, 08:30:10 pm »
Nope. Once it was shipped by bang-em-good, it took 10 days to get to the US and released to them by Canada Customs (at Cincy); that was ALL the Cincy hub.  |O

...Screens on a 7 are still reasonably easy to change.  Not as super easy as the old 4/4s era but still do-able by an amateur, and they're old enough that good quality screens are available dirt cheap w/ new digitizer already assembled, etc.
I've done a few; why I said "HARDLY WORTH IT"... ;)

It's a decision between a little money and a little assache now vs the heartache of the inevitable upgrade, when a iPwn 7 will in no time be is a doorstop in comparison to new sub-$200 Android phones with civilized screens. 

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Not worth changing it. The third party screens are crap and there’s a chance you end up with no working Touch ID or a brick. I’ll get £80 second hand for it so will just eBay it smashed for someone else to fuck up. Got 4 years out of it so I’m not moaning really. Had AppleCare for first 2 years which mitigated most risks.

Android doesn’t get a look in. This needs iOS accessibility stuff as the user is partially disabled. So new 2020 SE it is. Works out at less than 20 a month even if it lasts 2 years.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62271 on: July 01, 2020, 08:36:58 pm »
Ugh my middle one just dropped her iPhone 7 face down onto a chair base ffs. Today was sucking bad enough already  :palm: :palm: :palm:

When my kids did that kind of stuff, I would always make sure it took 2-4 weeks to fix the problem.  It encourages them to take much better care of their things!

The other two yes. This one not due to disability. She’s got a nasty disorder which means she’s got about half the strength and mobility of an average person resulting in the odd drop. It had a case on it which has eaten all drops so far. This one hit bang in the middle of the screen. Lasted 4 years though! I was expecting it to get owned pretty quickly but nope was good.
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62272 on: July 01, 2020, 08:40:45 pm »
Received today some 1206 ceramic capacitors from TDK:

1µF / 25V - 2000 pieces
4,7µF / 50V - 2000 pieces

Total, including shipping: EUR 40.-



I think, that are sufficient caps of this kind for the rest of my life.   :-DD

If you are in Europe and need some, let me know.  :)
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62273 on: July 01, 2020, 08:59:20 pm »
Ugh my middle one just dropped her iPhone 7 face down onto a chair base ffs. Today was sucking bad enough already  :palm: :palm: :palm:

When my kids did that kind of stuff, I would always make sure it took 2-4 weeks to fix the problem.  It encourages them to take much better care of their things!

The other two yes. This one not due to disability. She’s got a nasty disorder which means she’s got about half the strength and mobility of an average person resulting in the odd drop. It had a case on it which has eaten all drops so far. This one hit bang in the middle of the screen. Lasted 4 years though! I was expecting it to get owned pretty quickly but nope was good.

It's clearly the penis fingers gene run rampant...  >:D
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #62274 on: July 01, 2020, 09:00:34 pm »
Mastech seem to be quietly building themselves an impressed customer base. My 2108 is great, and I notice the price is more than double what it was when I bought mine 5 or 6 years ago.

That 8911 is now on my long term list, thanks for that mnem   >:(

To return the favour, here's one for the Norte Americanos to have a tilt at:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-HP-Agilent-Model-4261A-L-C-R-METER/153989166173


Other issue: you're going to want the test fixtures that go with it, and those will cost. I got my 4262A with test fixtures...probably wouldn't have gotten it otherwise!

Surely you just need a set of Kelvin clips?   :-//
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