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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73850 on: November 02, 2020, 02:31:52 pm »
Oh as sysadmins go I am the guy the BOFH bows before. I once chowned someone's home directory to their colleague because they were better at his job.

One of my lodgers completely owned a VAX/VMS, and the sysadmins couldn't figure out how. If they had asked them, he would have told them. (Being the first person to touch the computer was the key point :) )
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73851 on: November 02, 2020, 03:08:52 pm »
The 34970A data logger arrived and all looks good  :-DMM
Reading my 10V reference gives a sensible reading and the relays have not been hammered too hard. Just need to make up a breakout box.
I think some buyers were put off by the listing photo having the ERROR annunciator on. This comes on on power up if the unit was not shut down with the on/off switch.
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73852 on: November 02, 2020, 03:22:49 pm »
Learning how to Linux has been on my "to do" list since 2003. You know, one day...  :-DD

Learning Linux has been on my list since 1997.  Somewhere around the office, I have a shiny disk from back then with a Redhat distribution .... never used.
Anyways, due to this here group, I did my first install of Linux Ubuntu in July of this year.
My second was Xubuntu just 2 weeks ago.  Yes, you too can do it if I can.
The 7 year-old seems to have no problem with Linux; SWMBO has not even touched that computer yet, so we don't know yet.

A couple of things to check for bootable USB:
- BIOS updates of the computer
- USB 2 or 3.  Older computers may not recognize new USB 3 devices.
- size of the USB device.  In my link below for a different set of instructions to make a bootable USB, the partition size had to be 16MB  (yes, MB).

Instructions here are for a BIOS update, but almost half of the commands are for setting up the bootable USB using the fdisk command in Linux:
http://www.kegel.com/linux/aspireone-d250.html

Edit:  I too am making up a new shiny round disc to work on the mother-in-laws computer.  Likewise, the USB was not recognized as bootable, but has been used on newer computers.  I assume there is a BIOS update needed or support lacking for USB 3.  The trials and tribulations of knowing something about technology...
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73853 on: November 02, 2020, 03:25:49 pm »
BT Openreach staff gather together and put on their festive costumes for the traditional Halloween 'trick or treat' tour of our local cable ducting

Shortly after I took that picture an eleventh van turned up. Some sort of football-themed tribute to Nobby Stiles, perhaps?

When I came back a few hours later there were cable drum dispensers near some of the manhole covers: looks like they were putting in new ducting, dare I hope for blowing in fibre in the near future? FTTP = Fibre To The Promises
Took 3 years after they did that here. Don't hold your breath.
Just along the road today, what do I see?

Talked to some of the workers. Word Has Gone Out (and presumably, taxpayer's money has changed hands) and rural areas like ours are getting FTTP rolled out pronto. The PSTN will be switched off and the copper wire taken down. The fibre network should be going live in 'a few months'.

A pity, really, as the copper wires in the picture are only 3 weeks old. A 300+ year old oak tree came down and clobbered the previous pole, which is why the green is in such a mess. The tree was almost completely hollow inside.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73854 on: November 02, 2020, 03:29:29 pm »
Sadly, I don't think YT has a voice option for reporting channels. If nobody does anything, he could get mobs to start attacking 5G towers, destroying them and possibly leave some people without any phone coverage which could result in a life and death situation?

It doesn't, unless you know a Googler, and the only one I know quit last month.

Oh nothing regrettable. Just a metaphorical PEEK and a POKE in the right places...

Peek through a Predator UAV and Poke a Hellfire through his chimney ?

Nah much more insidious. I'm trying to get his credit file zero rated. Reference agencies take evidence for craziness and reckless behaviour. Use the gears of the machine rather than smash them.

If that isn't the subject of a BOFH column,it should be.
BOFH  :wtf: is that :-//
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73855 on: November 02, 2020, 03:30:29 pm »
BOFH = Bastard Operator From Hell .... Column in The Register: https://www.theregister.com/2019/12/06/bofh_2019_episode_12/
 
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« Reply #73856 on: November 02, 2020, 03:34:03 pm »
BOFH  :wtf: is that :-//

That's the colleague of the BAFH  ;D

BOFH - Bastard Operator From Hell
BAFH - Bastard Administrator From Hell

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73857 on: November 02, 2020, 03:34:54 pm »
...Word Has Gone Out (and presumably, taxpayer's money has changed hands) and rural areas like ours are getting FTTP rolled out pronto. The PSTN will be switched off and the copper wire taken down. The fibre network should be going live in 'a few months'.

A pity, really, as the copper wires in the picture are only 3 weeks old. A 300+ year old oak tree came down and clobbered the previous pole, which is why the green is in such a mess. The tree was almost completely hollow inside.

Major jealousy!!!  I went and looked at your flag ... not North America, which explains everything.  Our government here make a big announcement after the last election to roll out high-speed internet to rural areas throughout the country.  Our neighbours just got DSL at 0.57 Mbps (same as us for the last 8 years); somehow that counts as high-speed.  How to we even count as rural here?  I pretty much drive past our national Parliament on my commute to work.... [/rant]
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73858 on: November 02, 2020, 04:01:42 pm »
BT Openreach staff gather together and put on their festive costumes for the traditional Halloween 'trick or treat' tour of our local cable ducting

Shortly after I took that picture an eleventh van turned up. Some sort of football-themed tribute to Nobby Stiles, perhaps?

When I came back a few hours later there were cable drum dispensers near some of the manhole covers: looks like they were putting in new ducting, dare I hope for blowing in fibre in the near future? FTTP = Fibre To The Promises
Took 3 years after they did that here. Don't hold your breath.
Just along the road today, what do I see?

Talked to some of the workers. Word Has Gone Out (and presumably, taxpayer's money has changed hands) and rural areas like ours are getting FTTP rolled out pronto. The PSTN will be switched off and the copper wire taken down. The fibre network should be going live in 'a few months'.

A pity, really, as the copper wires in the picture are only 3 weeks old. A 300+ year old oak tree came down and clobbered the previous pole, which is why the green is in such a mess. The tree was almost completely hollow inside.
Trees are evil!
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73859 on: November 02, 2020, 04:09:08 pm »
...Word Has Gone Out (and presumably, taxpayer's money has changed hands) and rural areas like ours are getting FTTP rolled out pronto. The PSTN will be switched off and the copper wire taken down. The fibre network should be going live in 'a few months'.

A pity, really, as the copper wires in the picture are only 3 weeks old. A 300+ year old oak tree came down and clobbered the previous pole, which is why the green is in such a mess. The tree was almost completely hollow inside.

Major jealousy!!!  I went and looked at your flag ... not North America, which explains everything.  Our government here make a big announcement after the last election to roll out high-speed internet to rural areas throughout the country.  Our neighbours just got DSL at 0.57 Mbps (same as us for the last 8 years); somehow that counts as high-speed.  How to we even count as rural here?  I pretty much drive past our national Parliament on my commute to work.... [/rant]
What only .57Mbbs, thats no good to man or beast, hell I'm getting 966.7 times that and that is even considered slow by some people. How long would it take you to download Windows 10 for christs sake?
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73860 on: November 02, 2020, 04:13:20 pm »
Doesn't surprise me. Compared to here, the issue is that infrastructure is more expensive, the places are significantly more spread out and people expect prices to be low thanks to years of race to the bottom economics. The outcome is that you get shitty infrastructure and little motivation to invest in it. Eventually someone crazy turns up, throws thousands of chunks of debris into space as a solution because it makes more sense than running fibre on paper.

If it's any consolation I was stuck on 12mbits here until only a couple of years back due to some old nag complaining about them putting an "unsightly green box" on the side of the street. Had to wait until the flu season took her out  :-DD

Edit: Incidentally I discovered Mr Steele has already wrecked his own credit rating so not much to do on that front  :palm:
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73861 on: November 02, 2020, 04:27:21 pm »
...Word Has Gone Out (and presumably, taxpayer's money has changed hands) and rural areas like ours are getting FTTP rolled out pronto. The PSTN will be switched off and the copper wire taken down. The fibre network should be going live in 'a few months'.

A pity, really, as the copper wires in the picture are only 3 weeks old. A 300+ year old oak tree came down and clobbered the previous pole, which is why the green is in such a mess. The tree was almost completely hollow inside.

Major jealousy!!!  I went and looked at your flag ... not North America, which explains everything.  Our government here make a big announcement after the last election to roll out high-speed internet to rural areas throughout the country.  Our neighbours just got DSL at 0.57 Mbps (same as us for the last 8 years); somehow that counts as high-speed.  How to we even count as rural here?  I pretty much drive past our national Parliament on my commute to work.... [/rant]
What only .57Mbbs, thats no good to man or beast, hell I'm getting 966.7 times that and that is even considered slow by some people. How long would it take you to download Windows 10 for christs sake?

Windows 10 download takes all night; and that was the small 32-bit only version (for mother-in-law).

Actually a speed test is showing 2.56 Mbps at the moment, but that is very unstable with lots intermittent connection losses.
No sense in trying to work right now, as the VPN spends all the time reconnecting.
Slower and stable would actually be better overall.

Doesn't surprise me. Compared to here, the issue is that infrastructure is more expensive, the places are significantly more spread out and people expect prices to be low thanks to years of race to the bottom economics. The outcome is that you get shitty infrastructure and little motivation to invest in it. Eventually someone crazy turns up, throws thousands of chunks of debris into space as a solution because it makes more sense than running fibre on paper.

If it's any consolation I was stuck on 12mbits here until only a couple of years back due to some old nag complaining about them putting an "unsightly green box" on the side of the street. Had to wait until the flu season took her out  :-DD

Yes, the geography is spread out, but it is certainly nowhere not the low prices of our neighbours to the south.
We are paying $170CAD a month for this snail in a wire.
I agree that there is no motivation to invest in it.  Yes, once again, someone is proposing to throw more junk into space.  The space junk always comes with small print that the internet speed is as advertised only if no one else in the world is using it at the same time.
More people at home complaining all day long is causing some hot air on parliament hill, but as usual, no action has come of it so far.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73862 on: November 02, 2020, 04:29:16 pm »
If it's any consolation I was stuck on 12mbits here until only a couple of years back due to some old nag complaining about them putting an "unsightly green box" on the side of the street. Had to wait until the flu season took her out  :-DD

I currently get ~5Mbps on VDSL here, about 6.5km from the exchange, and 3km from the cabinet - which is actually not bad for that distance.
 

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« Reply #73863 on: November 02, 2020, 04:31:00 pm »
That's pretty good for 6.5km range.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73864 on: November 02, 2020, 04:40:00 pm »
 |O  I know I have 2 packages of metal electrical boxes of 6 each, with only 1 box used so far (11 boxes in total).
Of course, I cannot find them when needed.
Since I can't work with unstable internet, I was going to at least wire in a couple more receptacles in the office room.
The house wiring is terrible with most of the loads on only 4 branch circuits and the other circuits mostly unloaded.
One branch circuit supplies the living room (tv, etc.), the hallway (dehumidifier) and the office (computers, printer, router, switches, etc) and must be 110% loaded.  I wanted to run another branch circuit to better distribute some of the load.  I guess the opened ceiling tiles and hanging wire will remain until I go buy more boxes.
Of course, I will find the boxes when I arrive home from my shopping trip to buy more....
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73865 on: November 02, 2020, 04:41:18 pm »
I pay ~40€ per month, and have 100Mbit over fibre. The link is at 1Gbit. I'm just too cheap to upgrade, but when I switch providers I will probably change that.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73866 on: November 02, 2020, 04:42:53 pm »
About the Balver Zinn:

I've ordered the 5 rolls of the Balver SN100C 1mm diameter.
3 rolls are reserved, 2 are available if someone in Europe is interested.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73867 on: November 02, 2020, 04:50:46 pm »
Learning how to Linux has been on my "to do" list since 2003. You know, one day...  :-DD

Learning Linux has been on my list since 1997.  Somewhere around the office, I have a shiny disk from back then with a Redhat distribution .... never used.

Somewhere I have a grubby floppy disk that says Linux 0.026 or 0.027 on the front. Installing that was a completely manual operation. Boot from the floppy, mkfs on a hard disk, mount, copy by hand ("cp -rP /bin /mnt/bin" etc. etc) and install the bootstrap.

I had a box under my office desk at PC Magazine UK running that circa '91/'92. It had a public open source archive from one of the US universities (I forget the name of the archive, it was a commonplace at the time) read only NFS mounted on it that I played with when I had some spare time - yes, I had a desktop Ethernet Internet connection back in '91/'92.
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« Reply #73868 on: November 02, 2020, 04:53:24 pm »
Edit: Incidentally I discovered Mr Steele has already wrecked his own credit rating so not much to do on that front  :palm:

How did you discover that?

Shame there's less opportunity to cause him pain.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73869 on: November 02, 2020, 05:20:44 pm »
I pay ~40€ per month, and have 100Mbit over fibre. The link is at 1Gbit. I'm just too cheap to upgrade, but when I switch providers I will probably change that.

$81 USD/month for 60Mbit (typically actually get 80Mbit) over copper. I could upgrade to 200Mbit for about $10 USD more per month but don't need it and besides.....$81 for 60 is a rip off.

Fiber here? Yea, right.  :palm:
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« Reply #73870 on: November 02, 2020, 05:30:06 pm »
Edit: Incidentally I discovered Mr Steele has already wrecked his own credit rating so not much to do on that front  :palm:

How did you discover that?

Shame there's less opportunity to cause him pain.

Fairly easy. I own a limited company and access to credit data. I paid the £8 to do a reference check via bulk provider interface. Usually takes 24 hours but this came back fast (always a bad sign). Already have his details from the last shit show. This is usually used for vetting clients and suppliers but works for individuals as well.
 
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« Reply #73871 on: November 02, 2020, 05:36:52 pm »
yes, I had a desktop Ethernet Internet connection back in '91/'92.


I didn't have that until 1995, and then only at work. About the same time I started running Linux, which lasted a few years until I discovered Real Computers with expensive operating systems and, of course, the BSD flavours -- I've run most of them, and the only one I haven't got running now is Net.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73872 on: November 02, 2020, 05:58:04 pm »
Surely your toaster should be running NetBSD  :-DD
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #73873 on: November 02, 2020, 06:03:40 pm »
Edit: Incidentally I discovered Mr Steele has already wrecked his own credit rating so not much to do on that front  :palm:

How did you discover that?

Shame there's less opportunity to cause him pain.
There is, you interact directly with him on YT and troll him etc.
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« Reply #73874 on: November 02, 2020, 06:23:19 pm »
Surely your toaster should be running NetBSD  :-DD

It's a 555 circuit, tops.

Port NetBSD to NE555, what an idea...


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