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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47825 on: January 25, 2020, 09:06:19 am »
A Tek mainframe scope would be way more than I'm ever likely to need; my fully loaded TDS420A is plenty good enough, and if I need a component tester I have the Hameg 302-6, and if I ever get around to repairing the concave front panel, a PM3218.

I suppose there are plug-ins I'd find useful, but I've no idea what's available beyond the obvious stuff. An SA is the only thing I'm missing, but it's a low priority item for me, as I've no large interest in RF stuff beyond maybe snooping on my RC transmitter.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47826 on: January 25, 2020, 09:59:20 am »
Dual beam does have one huge use case: looking at two signals of widely different frequency. Unless you do this a lot, it's probably not needed other from the cool factor.

Dual-beam storage scopes have another.

Consider capturing two channels of a single-shot event where the event duration is so fast that a CHOP sweep cannot be used. Good luck trying an ALT sweep :)
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47827 on: January 25, 2020, 10:10:16 am »
I have a Tektronix 2235 that has a distoration in the right lower quadrant. Any ideas how to repair?

I would suspect a distorted mesh in the CRT. So, check that the CRT does have a mesh. If it does, you would have to replace the CRT.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47828 on: January 25, 2020, 10:23:21 am »
A really dumb question (from a dumb guy) re the distorted Tek, there's nothing magnetic on/under the bench /big transformer nearby?

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47829 on: January 25, 2020, 10:28:12 am »
Good call. That got me a couple of times.

Also take the graticule cover off and clean it. Sometimes it holds a bit of static which can distort things.
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47830 on: January 25, 2020, 10:49:29 am »
Ripped into the 535A to try to find the source of the arc and bang. As usual it turned into a marathon.

First, looked over the Trigger A section and the only thing I found suspicious was two flying leads that were real close to each other. But no marks indicating an arc. I separated them anyway. Sorry for the poor focus. Camera doesn't like going that close. They are the 2 bare leads going across the center of the pix.



Next I powered up and checked the ref V and all the B+ voltages. They are all OK. This PSU is damn stout to put up with those arc bangs. They were LOUD. And so far there have been no further snaps and bangs.

Next determine why no free running trace in “Auto” mode on Time Base A. Turns out the “Trigger Preset” adjust is off. This is where things went down hill. The pot is hopelessly jammed. I took it out and apart. Tried to free it up and the resistive element fell apart. It's a 200K linear miniature pot. No gots so I have to order one. It's the pot on the stand off. BTW, this Trigger Preset pot does NOT appear on my 535A schematics. Nothing new, see this all the time with Tek equipment. So many revisions and the manuals can't keep up.   



In the meantime Time Base B does work fine. I'll order a new pot and at the same time I might as well start ordering replacement capacitors for the PSU. And in other news.....I found a “parts unit” 485 on Ebay for a reasonable price. Coming next week. I may FINALLY fix the trigger issue with the one sitting in the closet.


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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47831 on: January 25, 2020, 11:23:54 am »
Swapping over the Trigger board from the 485 parts unit.

The old board removed. Good riddance.   ::)



Replacement board installed. It's all modular and plug in except for 2 soldered wires in the far upper corner left.



At last! After all these months of fighting with it. It triggers!  :-+ :-+



But all is not well. There is some noise on the trace. The gain on both channels is extremely low. And worst of all the 50 ohm inputs on both channels no worky. Apparently some Gorilla blew them up. No worries...we'll work through it.  :phew: 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47832 on: January 25, 2020, 11:44:29 am »
Good call. That got me a couple of times.

Also take the graticule cover off and clean it. Sometimes it holds a bit of static which can distort things.
Things like a linear PSU close will cause it distort as well. Scopes are always susceptible to stray magnetic fields as be seen with the need to re-adjust the trace rotation almost every time  you relocate the scope.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47833 on: January 25, 2020, 11:49:03 am »
But all is not well. There is some noise on the trace. The gain on both channels is extremely low. And worst of all the 50 ohm inputs on both channels no worky. Apparently some Gorilla blew them up. No worries...we'll work through it.  :phew:

The noise may be due simply to the bandwidth; try BW limit.

The 50ohm issue might be a problem with the input relay and/or overvoltage protection. From a recent posting on TekScopes:
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47834 on: January 25, 2020, 11:54:22 am »
But all is not well. There is some noise on the trace. The gain on both channels is extremely low. And worst of all the 50 ohm inputs on both channels no worky. Apparently some Gorilla blew them up. No worries...we'll work through it.  :phew:

The noise may be due simply to the bandwidth; try BW limit.

The 50ohm issue might be a problem with the input relay and/or overvoltage protection.

It's not the BW limit. I have my other 485 powered up and there's definitely a difference in trace quality between them. I haven't yet checked the PSU for voltage/ripple so that's the obvious place to start and go from there.

Edit....the S/N of this unit is B177847 so it has the input protection fix.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47835 on: January 25, 2020, 02:03:01 pm »
Here's my collection of victims from the Netgear board. Setting was 380 C and medium air. Most went smoothly even the BGA chip wasn't too bad. After I got comfortable, I used it for a real repair (or at least the start of one). I was easily able to remove the MOSFET from the 220 MHz mobile radio. Really glad I finally got this station.  :-+

How about a 3D print bed as a pre-heater LOL.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47836 on: January 25, 2020, 02:09:45 pm »
The important bit is sticking them all back on again  :-DD

More seriously that’s a pretty good job. I want one now  :-DD
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47837 on: January 25, 2020, 02:15:59 pm »


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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47838 on: January 25, 2020, 02:37:12 pm »
The important bit is sticking them all back on again  :-DD

More seriously that’s a pretty good job. I want one now  :-DD
Yep, I don't use mine all that much, but when you need it, its worth its weight in gold, same as a desoldering tool. I got one of those 858 clones with the fan in the handle that mnem hates so much, but it is more than capable in the right hands for the occasional use they get.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47839 on: January 25, 2020, 02:41:26 pm »
The important bit is sticking them all back on again  :-DD

More seriously that’s a pretty good job. I want one now  :-DD
Yep, I don't use mine all that much, but when you need it, its worth its weight in gold, same as a desoldering tool. I got one of those 858 clones with the fan in the handle that mnem hates so much, but it is more than capable in the right hands for the occasional use they get.

Which reminds me - now I need to buy soldering paste ...  :scared:

The manual gives other uses for it such as "heat shrink, drying, remove lacquer, thaw, ... and disinfecting". Now I want to disinfect something.  :-DD
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47840 on: January 25, 2020, 02:47:27 pm »
Are you having a Discord meeting today at 1900 hours UTC? I haven't seen any recent mention of this.  :-//

Firstly, I thought 21:00 UTC (I think y'all getting 9 O'Clock and 9-teen hundred confused) - which by the way is just the wrong time for me here in London on a Saturday night which is why my quietude on Discord.

Secondly, don't know. The world has gone quiet on us. Anybody?
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47841 on: January 25, 2020, 02:49:21 pm »
The manual gives other uses for it such as "heat shrink, drying, remove lacquer, thaw, ... and disinfecting". Now I want to disinfect something.  :-DD

Much good flame disinfection did Mnem!  :)

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47842 on: January 25, 2020, 03:13:36 pm »
I put the 485 back in the case to give a quick run in to see if any other issues crop up. Turns out the noise on the trace was hash getting into the scope since it was out of the case. The trace is now much improved.

Issues:

Both channel 1 and 2 have gain issues. Those traces should be 0.5V p-p. They are 0.4V p-p. The gain adjustment cannot achieve 0.5V p-p.

As mentioned both 50 ohm inputs are dead. 

Need to check the PSU.

The knobs on the volts/div are from a 465 junker. The originals were cracked. But the parts mule has good knobs and they will be transferred over.

I fully expect that compensation adjustments will be necessary once the channel issues are resolved.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47843 on: January 25, 2020, 03:15:55 pm »
Oh dear, thats sure to give mnem a poke in the ribs now, and he will retaliate with as much of his firepower as he can muster unless the medication has dampened his coals, so they won't burn any more  >:D, How you're doing our friendly little dwagon  :-//.

I wonder if the reason you're all doing so badly at the moment is because of the stark contrast from the big suck the icy blast? Give it a couple of years and you'll all be hardened to it all.  :-DD
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47844 on: January 25, 2020, 03:34:43 pm »
The world has gone quiet on us. Anybody?

I am watching always in the uited kingdom to catch a nice Solartron 6 1/2 or more, with orange display.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47845 on: January 25, 2020, 03:37:13 pm »
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47846 on: January 25, 2020, 04:04:19 pm »
I am watching always in the uited kingdom to catch a nice Solartron 6 1/2 or more, with orange display.

About 2 lots of 6 Solartron 7075s were sold here recently. I didn't bid because I already have a spare 7075 frankenmachine including a cable :)

Yes, the panaplex displays are restful and generally delightful. I also have a working front 7075 panel that I need to find a use for.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47847 on: January 25, 2020, 04:15:14 pm »
Do not buy a 7844 with the P11 (eyehurt blue) CRT.
correct. Bring it directly to me.  :)

this is my 7844, opt 21 (dedicated slots) + opt.78 (P11, blue beams)

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The only what is not so amazing is the readout system:
Some segments are "thin" displayed, by example:
a 8 looks like H. Also 6 and 9 the vertical bow is thin.
This may be better with a phosphor what have a longer delay then P11.
The little problem is not to see with simply vertical plugins bec. they use almost 1,5,0 , no 6,8,9
but counters, DMM read out results , so they do that.
P11 looks best with a sunglas filter (smoke grey, not blue), you see that here. The blue P11 was made for using the large Polaroid cameras, the films was very sensitive for the color.
A lot of digital cameras are also very sensitive for that, so the intensity must be low to get fine pictures.
Closest thing to Cherenkov blue that I have ever seen from a CRT or other electronic display. Eyehurt blue? Naw - soo good! Stop making me reconsider, I have no space!
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47848 on: January 25, 2020, 04:24:03 pm »
Oh dear, thats sure to give mnem a poke in the ribs now, and he will retaliate with as much of his firepower as he can muster unless the medication has dampened his coals, so they won't burn any more  >:D, How you're doing our friendly little dwagon  :-//.

I wonder if the reason you're all doing so badly at the moment is because of the stark contrast from the big suck the icy blast? Give it a couple of years and you'll all be hardened to it all.  :-DD

I'm still alive... mostly just puttering on my bench at about half-speed. Right now taking a break to eat some leftover breakfast and check in here. Pretty sure my son brought the flu home from his basketball meet, so really nothing unusual in the chain of events that followed. I knew I was probably going to catch it from him when I decided to keep him company; these are the choices a parent makes. :-//

We could pass the hat for tickets and send xrunner to Wuhan City with his 957DW+; he can disinfect everything there to his heart's content...  :-DD

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #47849 on: January 25, 2020, 04:40:36 pm »
Nah, I heard you've just gotta not drink Corona and you won't get the lurgy.
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