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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136775 on: October 02, 2024, 02:17:11 am »
Calm down.  :-DD

It might help you all feel better to know that when I said another, I meant that this will be my 2nd 3458a, not that I got more than 1 cheap. The first one was by no means cheap and many times more than this one from the auction site. I also will not know for a while if it's even stable, and etc. It's all apart at the moment, waiting for a capacitor order. Deals on broken ones do pop up sometimes, but they go very fast, and it's almost a total gamble.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136776 on: October 02, 2024, 07:21:31 pm »
What can I say, I was browsing for a cheap-ish electronic load and I like somewhat obscure items.
And what is this thing, if not a bit obscure, with the massive heatsinks (no active cooling at all).
So, of course I had to place a bid.

A P150-6 0-60V/0-45A/225W DC Load by Rohrer Electronic (Rohrer GmbH)

2389757-0

2389761-1

2389765-2


Nothing to be found about this on the internet, so I figured I'd post it up.
The company is still around, Rohrer München.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136777 on: October 02, 2024, 07:24:55 pm »
Date codes found on components inside are from 1985/1986.
Came to me as non-functional (displays worked, but nothing else), turns out the display control has its' own board with its' own transformer.
The print transformer on the main (bottom) board had two cold and subsequently cracked solder joints on the primary coil.
It seems to be an upgraded P150-4, which I am assuming from the case, had only 4 transistors. The larger piece of the top cover is actually from a P150-4 with the Ampere markings and 150-4 designation crudely removed. Seems like the -4 was rated for 60V, 30A and 150W,
vs. 60V, 45A and 225W on the -6.

The 4 pots are individual settings that you can quickly switch in between, with #5 being external and "Seriell" being the serial port in the back.
Nice pots, btw, they even have a little locking lever on them.
The P-max allows setting a wattage limit, with an LED indicator lighting up when it's reached.
There is also what looks to be a Piezo Buzzer in there, that has a lighter shade of blue adhesive, seemingly being added at a later point in time, but not connected to anything. I'd assume it might have been connected to that LED indicator at some point?
Seen here:

2389777-0

Someone had been in there before, judging by the mangled bolt heads, burn marks from the soldering iron (de-soldering the mains input for the 2nd transformer for further disassembly) on the 2nd transformer and cracked glue/marker on the bolts inside, but seemingly hadn't dug deep enough to find the cracked joints.
Works a charm now.

The PCBs are about what you'd expect from a modified device (P150-4 was the standard unit, even the print on top that was scratched off, but is still sorta legible, used to say P150-4), from the 1980s, no complaints there. Bunch of bodge wires and extra components.
The wiring however...bit of a rats nest, no silastic or similar in sight, the flat cables to the displays were burnt (soldering iron?) and just got a bit of a touch-up with that blue adhesive.
But hey, only one wire was actually broken off, so I suppose it was good enough to last over 30 years, maybe I'm too strict there.
I'd be delighted if it lasted for another 30.

The white silastic and red-ish marker are mine, the blue stuff is original.
Took the photos before adding more silastic.

Overview:
2389769-1

Center stack of PCBs, lower being the main one, center is connected to the front panel controls (mostly), top connected to the two displays.
2389773-2

Power resistor and transistor group (6 in total)
2389781-3

Serial PCB
2389785-4
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136778 on: October 03, 2024, 01:08:11 pm »
complete, the five µTek : 211+212+213+214+221  :)



 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136779 on: October 03, 2024, 04:19:28 pm »
You are missing the 222 and 224 !  :popcorn:
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136780 on: October 03, 2024, 05:15:08 pm »
no, they are DSO :-)  I have only the 222 no A.
The little DSOs are 222, 222A, the yellow Powerscout, and 224.

the analog series is only this 5 , and if you need medical units  the 208 EKG what is a relative from the 214
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136781 on: October 03, 2024, 05:55:19 pm »
Ah, but you said "microtek", not "analog" microtek !  ;D

I have had a 224 in my bedroom, for a year now... not even mine but bought it for a friend who doesn't seem to be in a hurry to get it... strange. I guess at some point I will just declare it mine...  :-//

 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136782 on: October 04, 2024, 09:00:37 am »
Ok, yesterday we played around a bit with this tek 7603. I couldn't managed to lock the trigger on a test sine signal, I don't know if the scope needs a fix or if it's just that I should read the manual  :-DD
Taking a look at one of the modules was really interesting and surprising. The horizontal division selector happened to be a huge drum, and the circuit construction is just beautiful  :)
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136783 on: October 04, 2024, 05:58:52 pm »
Congratulations ! I have the exact same one but in rack mount form.

The reason why you can't trigger is probably because the main frame is set to trigger from the left bay but you have no plugins present in that bay !  ;D
I assume you have that plugin and it's just not in the picture....

This scope is a nightmare to work on, ask me how I know. So I hope for you that it works fine, or at least that whatever is defective, is easy to get to...
However amongst the 7000 series scopes, it's the oldest, most basic / simplest model, so whenever you will be cursing at the scope when working on it, if it can ease the pain, just remind yourself that had you ANY other 7000 scopes model, especially the later and high end ones... it would be 100 times worse.

Keeps us posted on the trigger problem...
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136784 on: October 04, 2024, 06:23:26 pm »
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136785 on: October 04, 2024, 06:26:32 pm »
Good lord, that's one hell of a toaster !  :wtf:
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136786 on: October 04, 2024, 08:13:32 pm »


Can't be many things on here that require a pallet truck & portable traffic light* to move.  :-DD



*yes I know what the light is really for.

David
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136787 on: October 04, 2024, 08:38:48 pm »
2391763-0Talking of DC loads I finished (well apart from panel markings) my 100A one today. It's good for around 1kW. Currenly just open loop as this does most of my needs but I can close the loop externally if I need too. The power section is 4 MOSFETs on a large fan cooled heatsink. Yes only four. They are IXFN73N30's rated at 300V, 73A and 520W each. package is SOT-227B miniBLOC which has good thermal performance. It's hard to find modern MOSFETs with good linear power dissipation and safe operating area. They are optimised for pulse operation. Voltage and current look fine but the SOA not so good.
PIcs show it at 600W I'll dig out a big 5V supply and get it up to 100A at the weekend.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136788 on: October 04, 2024, 09:01:54 pm »
However amongst the 7000 series scopes, it's the oldest, most basic / simplest model, so whenever you will be cursing at the scope when working on it, if it can ease the pain, just remind yourself that had you ANY other 7000 scopes model, especially the later and high end ones... it would be 100 times worse.

*sideeye's the r7903 sitting in my rack waiting for attention*
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136789 on: October 05, 2024, 06:27:11 am »
I wish you the best of luck !  >:D

Looks very much like my basic R7603 but with 500MHz B/W and a smaller CRT.  I love the extra large CRT in the R7603 , great to display multiple traces, or use as an XY display to trace curves or whatnot.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136790 on: October 06, 2024, 08:47:25 am »

*yes I know what the light is really for.

David

To warn planes and ships in the region? :D

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30 Years making cars more difficult to repair.
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136791 on: October 08, 2024, 12:12:52 am »
Yes only four. They are IXFN73N30

Now you had me curious, it's MTH25N10's in the Rohrer, 6 of em.


Dare I ask what if there's a purpose for that 1kW load or did you build it, just because? ;D





Also got a reply to my email, asking if they had any documentation on this thing squirreled away in their archives.
Unfortunately, despite their best efforts, they came up short.

Though, to be honest, I appreciate they made the effort to go and have a look more than anything.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136792 on: October 13, 2024, 05:18:17 pm »
One of the best pocket Fluke DMM's ever made:
https://www.leboncoin.fr/ad/bricolage/2863919018
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136793 on: October 13, 2024, 07:05:08 pm »
pocket Fluke DMM

69.9 mm H x 137.2 mm W x 246.4 mm L

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136794 on: October 13, 2024, 11:27:33 pm »
Yep, I wrote "pocket" waiting for some reaction.

Someone must have large pockets (and empty enough to fit that chunk  now they've been releived of 200€) because it didn't stay online for long...
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136795 on: October 14, 2024, 06:56:00 am »
Someone must have large pockets (and empty enough to fit that chunk  now they've been releived of 200€) because it didn't stay online for long...

I can still see it my end ?! Still available as well, nobody hit the "Buy" button just yet.
Strange that you can't see it anymore ?!  :-//

Would be tempted for 50 Euros... I have way too many DMM for now...can't justify spending 200 Euros for just one...  :-[
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136796 on: October 14, 2024, 07:40:08 am »
You're right, it still is online, I just didn't see it I'm my last search and assumed it was gone.
Same here, situation is a bit out of hand... You could consider trying to convince seller to swap for a couple of MX53's, that way it doesn't cost too much and in the end you have one DMM less although you won't gain in volume occupied.
It is a nice meter  >:D (If I didn't already have 3 I'd inquire...)
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136797 on: October 14, 2024, 11:53:37 am »
Well thanks a lot, now I have another bit of TE to add to my 'to acquire' list! :-DD
Where does all this test equipment keep coming from?!?

https://www.youtube.com/NearFarMedia/
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136798 on: October 14, 2024, 01:06:13 pm »
 ;D Do you want it forwarding to Japan ?

The rechargeable "Battery Eliminator" when fitted is usually dead and as you probably already know, the external power supplies have an extra long plug for insulation requirements.

200€ isn't a bad price really but I'll usually jump on them when they're going for 50-70€ needing repairs which commonly range from different flavours of battery corrosion (soppy alkalines) to just cleaning the rotary switch which is one of those hit by the build-up of carbon / graphite dust resulting in the CPU receiving false position information.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #136799 on: October 14, 2024, 03:47:12 pm »
Nah, I gotta sell some other stuff first..... I just spent most of my monthly allowance on HP LCR test fixtures and triax cables and stuff. :D
Where does all this test equipment keep coming from?!?

https://www.youtube.com/NearFarMedia/
 


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