The Siglent SDG1000 and SDG800 thread

[tautech]

New FW for the SDG1000 series:
http://siglentamerica.com/gjjrj-xq.aspx?id=5359&tid=15

Version: 1.01.01.39R2
800 Kb
Change Log
1. Changed the UI to a color-blind friendly scheme
2. Changed the noise scheme from by DDS periodically to real pseudo-random noise
3. Fixed the bug in P38R2 that the language becomes Chinese when being upgraded from previous version

[f1rmb]

Hi Tautech,

   You meant SDG, right ;-)


Cheers.
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Daniel

[tautech]

Siglent have a promotion running for SDG1025 with a saving of $40 on RRP. Promo price $319.
http://siglentamerica.com/qyxwxx.aspx?id=5331&sid=216

Product page:
http://www.siglent.com/ENs/pdxx.aspx?id=145&T=2&tid=16

[rebible]

I have read elsewhere that the bk 4050 series is re-branded signlent sdg1000 series.. When I look at the siglent service manual that appears to be the case.

I have the 5 mhz model and channel 1 output is biased down and not controllable in amplitude. I can see the waveforms but it appears that the output section is bad.

I have run down the problem to happening between  TA15 and TA2 .  Everything is working fine at TA15 but it is not at TA2.   Does anyone know what the circuitry is in the output channel and what I should replace. It is $200 to send it in and get it fixed so it doesn't warrant a lot of trouble shooting time.  and channel 2 is working fine.

thanks
robert

[tautech]

I have read elsewhere that the bk 4050 series is re-branded signlent sdg1000 series.. When I look at the siglent service manual that appears to be the case.

I have the 5 mhz model and channel 1 output is biased down and not controllable in amplitude. I can see the waveforms but it appears that the output section is bad.

I have run down the problem to happening between  TA15 and TA2 .  Everything is working fine at TA15 but it is not at TA2.   Does anyone know what the circuitry is in the output channel and what I should replace. It is $200 to send it in and get it fixed so it doesn't warrant a lot of trouble shooting time.  and channel 2 is working fine.

thanks
robert

Welcome to the forum.

Quite possibly the bad channel has been damaged from applying a signal to a live circuit.
All the SDG 1k models are roughly the same so you can use any of the info online you can find for guidance.
A Google search found me reply #233 in this thread that you should study and a quick look at the OP has a link to some pics:
http://sigrok.org/wiki/Siglent_SDG1010

Write it all up here or start a repair thread in the Repair board as the repair can help others too.

[Lightages]

I fried my SDG1025 from pure stupidity by connecting the active output to around 60V . I was unable to determine which parts had been blown even with sme help from Agilent. I had to buy a replacement board in the end.

[ivan747]

Hi guys, does anyone happen to know if there's a contrast/brightness adjustment on the SDG1010?

I have it sitting on a shelf overhead and the LCD angle doesn't let me see the text that's next to the 5 soft buttons. (It's white on gray).

Alternatively, is there a way to change the font color of the "skin" of the device?


For reference, I'm talking about this:

[tautech]

Hi guys, does anyone happen to know if there's a contrast/brightness adjustment on the SDG1010?

I have it sitting on a shelf overhead and the LCD angle doesn't let me see the text that's next to the 5 soft buttons. (It's white on gray).

Alternatively, is there a way to change the font color of the "skin" of the device?

Not that I can find.
Yes the viewing angle from below is quite limited, probably only 20^oand the menu text does indeed gray out. Your pic is interesting, I couldn't not see the yellow of Ch1, must be just something to do with your camera.
All I can suggest is to elevate the rear of the unit to get a more normal viewing angle or shift it somewhere better in your instrument stack.

[ivan747]

Hi guys, does anyone happen to know if there's a contrast/brightness adjustment on the SDG1010?

I have it sitting on a shelf overhead and the LCD angle doesn't let me see the text that's next to the 5 soft buttons. (It's white on gray).

Alternatively, is there a way to change the font color of the "skin" of the device?

Not that I can find.
Yes the viewing angle from below is quite limited, probably only 20^oand the menu text does indeed gray out. Your pic is interesting, I couldn't not see the yellow of Ch1, must be just something to do with your camera.
All I can suggest is to elevate the rear of the unit to get a more normal viewing angle or shift it somewhere better in your instrument stack.

The color distorsion is just the because of the camera.


About the viewing angle... that's tough... I was hopping somebody knew of a firmware version with a different color scheme.

Yes, I could tilt it but the multimeter that's on top of it is already tilted and it would look weird. It would also be a risk for the multimeter.

[tautech]

For these tried and tested AWG's, a new firmware update:

SDG1000 series
Version: V1.01.01.39R5
http://www.siglenteu.com/gjjrj-xq.aspx?id=4035&tid=15
897 KB

Changelog
1. Fixed a few bugs

[ChrisLX200]

For these tried and tested AWG's, a new firmware update:

SDG1000 series
Version: V1.01.01.39R5
http://www.siglenteu.com/gjjrj-xq.aspx?id=4035&tid=15
897 KB

Changelog
1. Fixed a few bugs

I hate it when they can't be bothered to mention WHICH bugs were fixed, is it really that hard to do? A firmware update is always risky, is it worth the risk?
My 1025 has a bug that resets the external reference back to internal each time its powered up (but it still says it is using the external reference - even though it is not). Has this been fixed - Who knows?

[Macbeth]

For these tried and tested AWG's, a new firmware update:

SDG1000 series
Version: V1.01.01.39R5
http://www.siglenteu.com/gjjrj-xq.aspx?id=4035&tid=15
897 KB

Changelog
1. Fixed a few bugs

I hate it when they can't be bothered to mention WHICH bugs were fixed, is it really that hard to do? A firmware update is always risky, is it worth the risk?
My 1025 has a bug that resets the external reference back to internal each time its powered up (but it still says it is using the external reference - even though it is not). Has this been fixed - Who knows?

It's great to see Siglent still supporting their older products, I can't complain. 

However the changelog is annoying. They did step their game up previously but are now seemingly going back to when changelog's were not a thing. Perhaps this is just that Chinese face-saving culture thing? Don't admit to anything perceived as bad, pretend it didn't happen, etc.

What I was quite surprised at is the calibration adjustment scripts being made available! (may require a login). After all the flim-flam I got from a couple of Siglent dealers in the forum last year  (hey, I forgive you guys!) 

[tautech]

For these tried and tested AWG's, a new firmware update:

SDG1000 series
Version: V1.01.01.39R5
http://www.siglenteu.com/gjjrj-xq.aspx?id=4035&tid=15
897 KB

Changelog
1. Fixed a few bugs

I hate it when they can't be bothered to mention WHICH bugs were fixed, is it really that hard to do? A firmware update is always risky, is it worth the risk?

The risk is very very low, the main thing to consider is power loss so I never do them in storms.
Of the some hundreds I've done, never has one failed.

My 1025 has a bug that resets the external reference back to internal each time its powered up (but it still says it is using the external reference - even though it is not). Has this been fixed - Who knows?

Not yet but it's going to be.
See discussion here:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/the-siglent-sdg2042x-thread/msg1384209/#msg1384209

Edit
Let me add this automatic reversal to Internal reference applies to all Siglent AWG's and therefore any fix applied for SDG2kX models will most likely be rolled out into all the other Siglent AWG series. 800, 1000, 5000, 1kX, 2kX and 6kX as each firmware is revised with a new version.

[Fennec]

Changelog
1. Fixed a few bugs   <<<     

[ChrisLX200]

For these tried and tested AWG's, a new firmware update:

SDG1000 series
Version: V1.01.01.39R5
http://www.siglenteu.com/gjjrj-xq.aspx?id=4035&tid=15
897 KB

Changelog
1. Fixed a few bugs

I hate it when they can't be bothered to mention WHICH bugs were fixed, is it really that hard to do? A firmware update is always risky, is it worth the risk?

The risk is very very low, the main thing to consider is power loss so I never do them in storms.
Of the some hundreds I've done, never has one failed.

My 1025 has a bug that resets the external reference back to internal each time its powered up (but it still says it is using the external reference - even though it is not). Has this been fixed - Who knows?

Not yet but it's going to be.
See discussion here:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/the-siglent-sdg2042x-thread/msg1384209/#msg1384209

Edit
Let me add this automatic reversal to Internal reference applies to all Siglent AWG's and therefore any fix applied for SDG2kX models will most likely be rolled out into all the other Siglent AWG series. 800, 1000, 5000, 1kX, 2kX and 6kX as each firmware is revised with a new version.

Thanks for the response!  I'm a little more wary than yourself with firmware updates though, I've bricked several MBs in the past but thankfully no test gear (yet). I don't want to start now - and the comments about failure when updating the Rigol DM3058E underlines the fact you cannot take it for granted (yes, you may laugh about that )

It's not the fallback to using the internal reference per se because I would expect it to do that if there were no external ref signal present. It's the fact that it does so when re-booted with the external ref active and it still erroniously reports it is using the external ref whilst actually it is using the internal reference. It can be difficult to actually diagnose it is doing this without performing some tests so I routinely need to remember to reset to internal ref, then change it back to external again in the settings.

[tautech]

Thanks for the response!  I'm a little more wary than yourself with firmware updates though, I've bricked several MBs in the past but thankfully no test gear (yet). I don't want to start now - .....

One struggles to imagine how you manage in this day and age.
Really, the risk is soooo low if the instructions are followed to the letter.
I've seen some members mention using a UPS so that even power loss is removed as a risk.

Do you not do any updates of modern gear ? 
I've only done one MB bios flash but that was many years ago.
Anything else I own I check for updates on a irregular basis.

There has been talk behind the scenes of Siglent enabling some equipment to connect directly to their server (after user input) and installing updates automatically with user confirmation to do so.
Would this ability give you more confidence to update firmware in equipment ?

It's not the fallback to using the internal reference per se because I would expect it to do that if there were no external ref signal present. It's the fact that it does so when re-booted with the external ref active and it still erroniously reports it is using the external ref whilst actually it is using the internal reference. It can be difficult to actually diagnose it is doing this without performing some tests so I routinely need to remember to reset to internal ref, then change it back to external again in the settings.

As indicated in replies from Siglent this behaviour will be changed and in all SDG AWG models that support EXT frequency reference.  The proposal is OSD indication of the REF source and manual selection only to protect any EXT source from possible damage.

[Fennec]

True, I never had some problems with a firmware update since the old 286er / 386er PC BIOS systems, mobile phones or something like that.

BUT my question here is, WHY I should do an update? Does anybody know the fixed issues? Thanks Siglent for the update, but thumbs down for the update infos. I still didn't got an email this update is available and why. 
Anybody knows the slogan "NEVER CHANGE A RUNNING SYSTEM" and my 1050 is working for me. So I wait for requests before I do the update. I am sure my Siglent is working a few weeks longer with the old version.

/Sry for the Edit, there was an eevBlog Server issue

[Hardcorefs]

Just to be clear,
They have NOT fixed all the bugs.
right after the update , the language was switched from English back to  Chinese............
Despite them claiming it was fixed in the last update.

[tautech]

Just to be clear,
They have NOT fixed all the bugs.
right after the update , the language was switched from English back to  Chinese............
Despite them claiming it was fixed in the last update.

SDG1000 ?

My SDG1010 updated perfectly, no language reset problems. Did it yesterday.

Check the full list of updates on the EU site to ensure you haven't missed one.

http://siglenteu.com/gjjrj.aspx?id=15&page=1

[Tepe]

Check the full list of updates on the EU site to ensure you haven't missed one.

http://siglenteu.com/gjjrj.aspx?id=15&page=1

This might be better:
https://www.siglenteu.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/waveform-generators/#sdg1000-series

[Ringmodulator]

Now, which one is the current version?

SDG1000 Firmware - 1.01.01.39R5 (Release Date 12.25.17 )
SDG1000 Firmware - 1.01.01.38R2 (Release Date 01.10.18 )

The one with the newer release date, or the one with the higher version number?
 

[ChrisLX200]

Now, which one is the current version?

SDG1000 Firmware - 1.01.01.39R5 (Release Date 12.25.17 )
SDG1000 Firmware - 1.01.01.38R2 (Release Date 01.10.18 )

The one with the newer release date, or the one with the higher version number?
 

I've had 1.01.01.39R5 installed since the end of last year, still has issues with the external reference resetting to internal on power up.

[darrylp]

And the one dated 1.10.18 was like out in 2016, so surely the 18 is a typo ?

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2

[tautech]

 
We've been waiting for this....
USB stick recovery from a boot freeze.

SDG800 firmware.
Version: v1.08.01.13R5
~24 MB.
https://www.siglentamerica.com/download/5981/


Changelog.
1. Supported system recovery from the U-disk
2. Supported Rev.C hardware with Over Voltage Protection

This is very important firmware and all SDG800 owners are strongly advised to install it at their earliest possible convenience.
Please read the install instructions carefully and in full.
Follow instructions with care.

Summary only:
To ensure being upgraded successfully, the generator may need multiple update operations. The procedures are as below: P05R1->P07-> SDG800_transition ->P08->P12R2

[rspt1908]

Has anyone had any problems with some buttons not working with Siglent SDG 800 series scopes? I found that on mine the up, left and trigger buttons were not recognized during the key test though the trigger button lights up fine during an led test.