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H713:

--- Quote from: tautech on December 16, 2022, 07:36:59 pm ---With that vast experience what do you recommend for
1. The hobbyist with little or no scope experience ?
2. The young professional, say the EE student with limited resources ?

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In both cases, it depends on what you can get. Any scope is better than no scope, and the $400 that a modern Siglent costs is tough for a lot of students to justify. 54600 series HP/Agilent scopes can often be had for ~$100 in this part of the world, and the money saved there is often well-spent on other stuff - signal generators, soldering equipment, parts, etc.

For a new hobbyist that has the money but no experience, it probably makes sense to start with a new digital scope as long as they don't touch the stupid autoset button.

tautech:

--- Quote from: H713 on December 17, 2022, 06:14:00 am ---
--- Quote from: tautech on December 16, 2022, 07:36:59 pm ---With that vast experience what do you recommend for
1. The hobbyist with little or no scope experience ?
2. The young professional, say the EE student with limited resources ?

--- End quote ---

In both cases, it depends on what you can get.

--- End quote ---
Are you living in the same world as the rest of us ?
In 2 weeks I can something from anywhere in the world......1 week from China.

It's not about what you can get but instead the best instrument for today's and future use....they are not expensive.
The hobbyist might pick some CRO boat anchor use in their twilight years however to advise the EE's of tomorrow to get one is just downright irresponsible.

tggzzz:

--- Quote from: Mechatrommer on December 17, 2022, 12:30:20 am ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on December 16, 2022, 09:54:53 pm ---What scope would you recommend to someone designing the world's fastest scope?

--- End quote ---
if i can name one, could you afford it?

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If I was part of the team developing the world's fastest scope, yes the money would be available.

tggzzz:

--- Quote from: H713 on December 17, 2022, 06:14:00 am ---
--- Quote from: tautech on December 16, 2022, 07:36:59 pm ---With that vast experience what do you recommend for
1. The hobbyist with little or no scope experience ?
2. The young professional, say the EE student with limited resources ?

--- End quote ---

In both cases, it depends on what you can get. Any scope is better than no scope, and the $400 that a modern Siglent costs is tough for a lot of students to justify. 54600 series HP/Agilent scopes can often be had for ~$100 in this part of the world, and the money saved there is often well-spent on other stuff - signal generators, soldering equipment, parts, etc.

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Precisely. Spot on.

I am amazed that people continue to ignore those considerations.

tggzzz:

--- Quote from: tautech on December 17, 2022, 06:43:19 am ---
--- Quote from: H713 on December 17, 2022, 06:14:00 am ---
--- Quote from: tautech on December 16, 2022, 07:36:59 pm ---With that vast experience what do you recommend for
1. The hobbyist with little or no scope experience ?
2. The young professional, say the EE student with limited resources ?

--- End quote ---

In both cases, it depends on what you can get.

--- End quote ---
Are you living in the same world as the rest of us ?
In 2 weeks I can something from anywhere in the world......1 week from China.

It's not about what you can get but instead the best instrument for today's and future use....they are not expensive.
The hobbyist might pick some CRO boat anchor use in their twilight years however to advise the EE's of tomorrow to get one is just downright irresponsible.

--- End quote ---

No, it is not irresponsible. I will leave others to comment on whether a Siglent scope salesman is being "responsible" when they say that, or whether there is some other motivation.

One of the best definitions of an engineer is "someone that can do for £1 what any fool can do for £10".

Frequently during a professional career people will have to make do with what's already available because

* you need it now, not in a month's time
* money has to be used for other necessary equipment
* it won't pass the purchase request process
* it is back at base, not here in the field
* boss says you don't need it
* there is nothing that is capable of doing the jobI've seen all of those, and had to find workarounds.

Might as well get engineers to think creatively from the outset. That's not true for technicians, of course - and vive la différence!

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