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| nfmax:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on December 18, 2022, 02:29:39 pm ---~1984 I remember listening on a high end (not audiophool!) audio system with a friend to http://arsnovaclassic.blogspot.com/2012/09/michala-petri-blockflotenkonzerte.html on both CD and vinyl. We could tell a slight difference, but not which was which, nor which was better. --- End quote --- Ooh yes, one of my first ever CD purchases! Still sounds great on the ESL63’s… Meanwhile, back on topic, as a 66 year old greybeard, I still have a couple of CRT analogue oscilloscopes in the cupboard, but they never really get used. The Keysight MSOX3104T does it all, including ‘analogue’ things like audio and XY, only better |
| 2N3055:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on December 18, 2022, 12:45:30 pm ---Note: I don't own one of the affected types and so have only peripheral knowledge of the topic based on a 30s google search and imperfectly remembered very long threads on this forum. The statements above are not definitive but do serve to raise questions about false expectations. --- End quote --- By your comments it is obvious you have only peripheral knowledge of modern DSO and are passing judgment based on Google searches and opinion of digital scopes more than 25 years old.... You also made quite "modest" claim that you "simply know it all" about this topic of oscilloscopes ("And I know the accurate and correct facts."). Which is quite the statement for a person that apparently misses last 25 years of development in this field.. You might know the accurate facts, but only about analog part of it. You are missing several books worth of knowledge on new stuff. To make it funny enough, whenever someone asks me about probing with a scope, I send them to your web site. Your pages about that are awesome resource and very interesting read anybody that uses the scope should know... You did GREAT job there.. Thank you for that, in the name of everybody. But luddism about DSO, is just that. CRTs are dead. If you like them, good for you. Anybody that have very little money (not enough for a cheap DSO) and can get a CRT scope for few buck should go with that. Any scope is better than none. But those are exigent circumstances. DSO are the way to go, if you can. |
| Mechatrommer:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on December 18, 2022, 02:29:39 pm ---~1984 I remember listening on a high end (not audiophool!) audio system with a friend to http://arsnovaclassic.blogspot.com/2012/09/michala-petri-blockflotenkonzerte.html on both CD and vinyl. We could tell a slight difference, but not which was which, nor which was better. --- End quote --- a very poor sample set, for several relevant reasons! :) --- Quote from: tggzzz on December 18, 2022, 02:29:39 pm --- --- Quote ---The only people that I know that still own an analog scope are old hams (age > 60) that never get through the navigation of two levels menu system. --- End quote --- ...removed... I am aware of very competent people that own both analogue and digitising scopes. They are aware of each instrument's characteristics and use the appropriate one. --- End quote --- another very poor sample set, for several relevant reasons! :) btw... this topic is in my ignore list... sounds familiar... https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/have-we-all-been-seduced-by-digital-arent-analogue-scope-nicer/ |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on December 18, 2022, 02:33:05 pm --- --- Quote from: BillyO on December 18, 2022, 02:25:45 pm --- --- Quote from: Fungus on December 18, 2022, 01:51:08 pm ---DSOs have the same, and a few more, eg. Single shot mode where you trigger once and it grabs the signal so you can look at it at in your own time, maybe even zoom in for a closer look... very useful, but CROs don't do it. --- End quote --- Yes they do. My Tek 465 does. I also know the 475 and the 485 will too. --- End quote --- The 7613 also has it. I've played around with it, but never really got a lot of sense out of it. When/if I fix it, I will have to try again. --- End quote --- Single sweep on an analog scope is only really useful when using a scope camera or with a storage scope, both of which roughly mimic the behavior of a DSO, which as the name describes is another type of storage oscilloscope. |
| TimFox:
One obsolete technology for which I have no nostalgia is analog storage oscilloscopes. I speak from experience with them. |
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