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tggzzz:

--- Quote from: james_s on December 27, 2022, 09:40:15 pm ---
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--- Quote from: Fungus on December 27, 2022, 12:15:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on December 27, 2022, 11:20:46 am ---Classic OT example: try to get a Tesla salesman to show you how to switch on the windscreen demister safely (i.e. without taking your eyes off the road). Last one I asked only managed to switch on the seat heater; previous one had to reconfigure the GUI including dragging heiroglyphs/icons to a taskbar!

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That's because you're asking a stupid question.

The correct way to do it is to press the button then say, "demister on"?

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After five minutes spent failing to do it with a control, the salesdroid said he could do it with voice control. I said that would be OK with me; he tried, and that's when the seat heater turned on! I didn't bother to ask whether it works just as well while driving and where there's no radio connectivity (think Alexa!)

So, sorry, your suggestion didn't work - and the Tesla failures were worse than you imagined :)

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I drove my dad's Tesla for a few weeks after he passed and I ran into the same issue. I loved the way the car drove but I absolutely hated the dashboard interface. Nearly everything is integrated into that big touchscreen, it is absolutely impossible to operate it safely without using the voice control which is another thing I really don't like doing. It tries to automate some things, like the windshield wipers but it's the edge cases where that fails to work reliably where you need to operating those things manually during times of high driver workload when it is least safe to try hunting around on a touchscreen with one eye on the road. I think touchscreens in cars should be illegal and physical controls mandated. My car has physical controls for everything, knobs, switches and sliders that are laid out logically by function and shaped differently. I can operate everything by feel without taking my eyes off the road even for a moment. It is a demonstrably superior interface but it doesn't look trendy and it is expensive to build.

Touchscreens in cars are marketed as high tech but the only real reason for them is they are cheap.

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Practical experience trumps showroom driving :)

In the late 70s a nuke power stations control room had rows of identical dials and levers.

The first thing the operators did was to "decorate" dials and customise levers so that you could tell which one you were holding by touch alone. They knew exactly what they needed and why!

When about to be launched in a glider, I often grasped the airbrake instead of the cable release - a potentially fatal mistake. Fortunately they had very different shapes, so I instantly corrected the mistake.

BillyO:

--- Quote from: David Hess on December 27, 2022, 01:04:20 pm ---Along with glossy screens which pick up every fingerprint and massive problems with glare from the windows and office lights.

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You'd be thinking of an Agilent or Tek scope there.  My $1000 Siglent uses a nice matte finish on the screen. :-+

Bud:

--- Quote from: james_s on December 27, 2022, 09:40:15 pm ---. I loved the way the car drove but I absolutely hated the dashboard interface. Nearly everything is integrated into that big touchscreen, it is absolutely impossible to operate it safely without using the voice control.

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A contractor came the other day and we got in his Tesla to discuss things. Radio was playing loud and I watched with amusement him pushing the screen going into menus and sub-menus to just freaking reduce the audio volume down  :-DD
Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha !!  :-DD

nctnico:

--- Quote from: David Hess on December 27, 2022, 01:04:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: Fungus on December 27, 2022, 12:25:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: David Hess on December 27, 2022, 06:44:48 am ---Excessive menu depth has been a problem with modern DSOs, with very few exceptions, since they have existed.  That problem is not going away.
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No, but big touch screens with pictures are on the way. The twisty knob interface will be a thing of the past.
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Along with glossy screens which pick up every fingerprint and massive problems with glare from the windows and office lights.

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That is much less of a problem than you'd think. Speaking from experience here...

baldurn:

--- Quote from: Bud on December 27, 2022, 11:19:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: james_s on December 27, 2022, 09:40:15 pm ---. I loved the way the car drove but I absolutely hated the dashboard interface. Nearly everything is integrated into that big touchscreen, it is absolutely impossible to operate it safely without using the voice control.

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A contractor came the other day and we got in his Tesla to discuss things. Radio was playing loud and I watched with amusement him pushing the screen going into menus and sub-menus to just freaking reduce the audio volume down  :-DD
Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha !!  :-DD

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There is a physical volume control on the steering wheel. It can also mute. There is a physical button at the end of the left stalk to activate the wipers. The only driving related task on the touchscreen is adjusting the wiper speed, but this is always in the lower left corner and can be brought up by pressing the physical button at the end of the left stalk. Alternatively you can use voice command to adjust the wiper speed, which contrary to what some non owners claim here, actually does work.

People love to talk shit but maybe you should just know your car before driving?

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