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| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: baldurn on December 28, 2022, 12:00:33 am --- --- Quote from: Bud on December 27, 2022, 11:19:39 pm --- --- Quote from: james_s on December 27, 2022, 09:40:15 pm ---. I loved the way the car drove but I absolutely hated the dashboard interface. Nearly everything is integrated into that big touchscreen, it is absolutely impossible to operate it safely without using the voice control. --- End quote --- A contractor came the other day and we got in his Tesla to discuss things. Radio was playing loud and I watched with amusement him pushing the screen going into menus and sub-menus to just freaking reduce the audio volume down :-DD Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha !! :-DD --- End quote --- There is a physical volume control on the steering wheel. It can also mute. There is a physical button at the end of the left stalk to activate the wipers. The only driving related task on the touchscreen is adjusting the wiper speed, but this is always in the lower left corner and can be brought up by pressing the physical button at the end of the left stalk. Alternatively you can use voice command to adjust the wiper speed, which contrary to what some non owners claim here, actually does work. People love to talk shit but maybe you should just know your car before driving? --- End quote --- RTFM is always good advice - but as we all know - too few people do it. Wiper speed is pretty important here. On a 1 hour journey yesterday I changed mine dozens of times. What is necessary for an averagely incompetent driver to arrange the GUI so that they can touch the wiper speed control and nothing else without taking their eyes off the road for more than a second or two? Does ventilation - an important safety related "while driving" task - have physical controls? On that same journey I had to change it a couple of times. If it is so easy and obvious, why did a trained Tesla salesman twice fail to change the ventilation? |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: baldurn on December 28, 2022, 12:00:33 am --- --- Quote from: Bud on December 27, 2022, 11:19:39 pm --- --- Quote from: james_s on December 27, 2022, 09:40:15 pm ---. I loved the way the car drove but I absolutely hated the dashboard interface. Nearly everything is integrated into that big touchscreen, it is absolutely impossible to operate it safely without using the voice control. --- End quote --- A contractor came the other day and we got in his Tesla to discuss things. Radio was playing loud and I watched with amusement him pushing the screen going into menus and sub-menus to just freaking reduce the audio volume down :-DD Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha !! :-DD --- End quote --- There is a physical volume control on the steering wheel. It can also mute. There is a physical button at the end of the left stalk to activate the wipers. The only driving related task on the touchscreen is adjusting the wiper speed, but this is always in the lower left corner and can be brought up by pressing the physical button at the end of the left stalk. Alternatively you can use voice command to adjust the wiper speed, which contrary to what some non owners claim here, actually does work. People love to talk shit but maybe you should just know your car before driving? --- End quote --- Ah the old "you're holding it wrong" argument that Apple used several years back. It wasn't my car, I was tasked with relocating it from my late father's place to my house until we could sort out what to do with it. I figured out the steering wheel controls without too much difficulty, I still had trouble with the wipers. Another issue I had very quickly was figuring out how to turn the headlights off which is required when driving onto the ferry, I don't think there was anywhere to do that other than the touchscreen. Every other car that I have ever driven in my life has physical controls that are more or less standardized for all the important stuff so you don't have to read the manual just to drive the car. It's fairly common for a person to drive a car that is unfamiliar to them, and in ~25 years of driving all sorts of different vehicles this was the first one I couldn't easily figure out on my own. Whatever the case the touchscreen is useless, there is no way to safely use it while driving so it should not even be able to do anything that you need to do while driving. The only reason not to have physical controls on the dash is cost, they are superior in every way from a functional and ergonomic sense. It's also weird to have even critical stuff like the speedometer off to the side instead of directly ahead of the driver, but again it's cheap, and makes it much cheaper to put the steering wheel on the other side for example with minimal changes to the dash. It's clever in that respect, they need to cut costs as much as possible to make the cars affordable and putting everything on a touchscreen vs traditional controls probably saves several thousand dollars, but from a usability standpoint it sucks. The Model S though is much better in that respect, a friend of mine has one of those that I've driven a few times and it fixes almost everything I don't like about the Model 3 and Y. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on December 28, 2022, 12:32:52 am ---Does ventilation - an important safety related "while driving" task - have physical controls? On that same journey I had to change it a couple of times. If it is so easy and obvious, why did a trained Tesla salesman twice fail to change the ventilation? --- End quote --- No, there are no physical controls at all for any of the HVAC or heated seats, it's entirely done via the touchscreen, voice, or mobile app. The voice commands work pretty well once you get used to it, but I still hate talking to machines, and there are situations, such as a few months ago when I had some kind of illness and almost completely lost my voice for several days that it would have been a proper pain in the ass. |
| H713:
I could forgive the detentless multipurpose knob on the Siglent if it weren't for the fact that you push the knob to select. About 30% of the time, it rotates while I'm trying to select something. As for touchscreen test equipment... I've used plenty. It's better than using a mouse (usually on your pant leg!), but it is still VASTLY inferior to using a knob or switch. It's a good (almost necessary IMO) feature to have in ADDITION to a traditional knob layout for equipment that runs Windows. In general, the fewer buttons I have to push to take a measurement, the better. The more satisfying the knobs / switches are, the less likely I am to be annoyed by using them. Configuring a Tektronix 547 is very satisfying and it's rare that I will be annoyed while using one, even if I have to think a little harder to accomplish a measurement. Pushing soft buttons (that beep with every push!) on a Siglent is the opposite situation. Under most circumstances, for a given bandwidth (real bandwidth) a DSO is an objectively better and more useful instrument than an analog scope. Despite this, DSOs are far more likely to annoy me, and when possible, I gravitate towards equipment that doesn't annoy me. |
| TimFox:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on December 28, 2022, 12:32:52 am --- --- Quote from: baldurn on December 28, 2022, 12:00:33 am --- --- Quote from: Bud on December 27, 2022, 11:19:39 pm --- --- Quote from: james_s on December 27, 2022, 09:40:15 pm ---. I loved the way the car drove but I absolutely hated the dashboard interface. Nearly everything is integrated into that big touchscreen, it is absolutely impossible to operate it safely without using the voice control. --- End quote --- A contractor came the other day and we got in his Tesla to discuss things. Radio was playing loud and I watched with amusement him pushing the screen going into menus and sub-menus to just freaking reduce the audio volume down :-DD Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha !! :-DD --- End quote --- There is a physical volume control on the steering wheel. It can also mute. There is a physical button at the end of the left stalk to activate the wipers. The only driving related task on the touchscreen is adjusting the wiper speed, but this is always in the lower left corner and can be brought up by pressing the physical button at the end of the left stalk. Alternatively you can use voice command to adjust the wiper speed, which contrary to what some non owners claim here, actually does work. People love to talk shit but maybe you should just know your car before driving? --- End quote --- RTFM is always good advice - but as we all know - too few people do it. Wiper speed is pretty important here. On a 1 hour journey yesterday I changed mine dozens of times. What is necessary for an averagely incompetent driver to arrange the GUI so that they can touch the wiper speed control and nothing else without taking their eyes off the road for more than a second or two? Does ventilation - an important safety related "while driving" task - have physical controls? On that same journey I had to change it a couple of times. If it is so easy and obvious, why did a trained Tesla salesman twice fail to change the ventilation? --- End quote --- One problem with RTFM for a rental car is that the owner's manual is never left in the glove box for the renter to peruse. |
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