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| JPortici:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on December 28, 2022, 11:29:04 am --- --- Quote from: JPortici on December 28, 2022, 06:29:39 am ---Instead a full firmware download, install, verify and reboot is required, which is very prone to fail because it's downloaded through the mobile connection in the car, or at least the tesla representative couldn't download it though the ethernet port, and require you to push buttons on the screen at time, which can really become frustrating if the screen decides it doesn't want to respond to touches because it thinks that it's in an unknown vechichle, so it could be from a stolen car. i think it took 10 hours for them to finish the update because it failed at least twice --- End quote --- And after downloading you don't notice the how the "full self driving (beta)" has been updated, so that something that worked safely yesterday does not today. --- End quote --- Well, not the same thing but quite. Actually that reminds me of something that happened this morning :) a maserati decided that the best moment to do a full system update was when idling at a semaphore :-DD the guy freaked out when the idle got up, and the AC started going full blast, then the message appeared on the various screens. The car is updating its software, please do not turn off the car :-DD |
| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: JPortici on December 28, 2022, 05:06:27 pm --- --- Quote from: tggzzz on December 28, 2022, 11:29:04 am --- --- Quote from: JPortici on December 28, 2022, 06:29:39 am ---Instead a full firmware download, install, verify and reboot is required, which is very prone to fail because it's downloaded through the mobile connection in the car, or at least the tesla representative couldn't download it though the ethernet port, and require you to push buttons on the screen at time, which can really become frustrating if the screen decides it doesn't want to respond to touches because it thinks that it's in an unknown vechichle, so it could be from a stolen car. i think it took 10 hours for them to finish the update because it failed at least twice --- End quote --- And after downloading you don't notice the how the "full self driving (beta)" has been updated, so that something that worked safely yesterday does not today. --- End quote --- Well, not the same thing but quite. Actually that reminds me of something that happened this morning :) a maserati decided that the best moment to do a full system update was when idling at a semaphore :-DD the guy freaked out when the idle got up, and the AC started going full blast, then the message appeared on the various screens. The car is updating its software, please do not turn off the car :-DD --- End quote --- Presumably it is running Windoze. Just as well it wasn't just getting on the Channel Tunnel train, or on a ferry, or at traffic lights in central London/Paris/Rome/Berlin. (Mind you, in Rome I suspect other drivers would have shrugged and driven round it on the pavement.) |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: H713 on December 28, 2022, 02:07:59 am ---As for touchscreen test equipment... I've used plenty. It's better than using a mouse (usually on your pant leg!), but it is still VASTLY inferior to using a knob or switch. It's a good (almost necessary IMO) feature to have in ADDITION to a traditional knob layout for equipment that runs Windows. --- End quote --- I'm of the opinion that Windows has no place in a piece of test equipment. We had a few Windows based instruments at a place I worked at years ago and they were the ones that sat collecting dust. A mouse-centric GUI is ill suited to a benchtop instrument. |
| tautech:
--- Quote from: james_s on December 28, 2022, 06:47:46 pm ---A mouse-centric GUI is ill suited to a benchtop instrument. --- End quote --- And several new products are supplied with wireless mice to assist using them. Yes these are touch instruments too and with physical controls as well. Properly done it provides a pleasant user experience. I guess you'd have real trouble with the likes of a Pico scope. |
| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: james_s on December 28, 2022, 06:47:46 pm --- --- Quote from: H713 on December 28, 2022, 02:07:59 am ---As for touchscreen test equipment... I've used plenty. It's better than using a mouse (usually on your pant leg!), but it is still VASTLY inferior to using a knob or switch. It's a good (almost necessary IMO) feature to have in ADDITION to a traditional knob layout for equipment that runs Windows. --- End quote --- I'm of the opinion that Windows has no place in a piece of test equipment. We had a few Windows based instruments at a place I worked at years ago and they were the ones that sat collecting dust. A mouse-centric GUI is ill suited to a benchtop instrument. --- End quote --- There was a version of Windows for Warships http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/19/88#subj1.2 http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/23/56#subj4.1 http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/30/35#subj1.1 http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/19/92#subj16.1 where the last has observations that are directly relevant to "full self driving (beta)" cars. |
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